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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Ask yourself, which is the best exact parallelism?
 

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1 John 3:4 shows the TYPE of sin the whole chapter is talking about. Lawlessness. Sins which they actually had a written law against, like murder, stealing, bearing false witness to get someone stoned. Those are willful sins unto death. They are wicked. Sins not unto death are trespasses, which, if you are walking in the Spirit, you many commit unintentionally, but they are not unto death, and are cleansed by our Advocate when we forgive others their trespasses against us.

Today I allowed myself to listen to gossip. I was and still am convicted by it. My default is to just walk away but, today I did not :oops:. So, I guess we could say it was willful sin. It is still stinging.
I'm not always as loving to some as I should be. Curse words sometimes fly out...not in public though! Frustration leads me at times, to lashing out in anger in the privacy of my own home. That to me is sinning and I hate it more than I can say. He always lifts me up as now, after sitting in a puddle of tears on the floor feeling sorry for myself, feeling so convicted, He lifts me up because I reach out to Him in the midst of these episodes.
Sexual sin as well as sexual thoughts have vanished! There is nothing there that I even desire, amen!
I practice walking in the light as He is in the light. Do nothing in the dark that you would not do in the light...
I do know that I need to know the difference between, sin, iniquity, trespass...as, this might clarify.
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Today I allowed myself to listen to gossip. I was and still am convicted by it. My default is to just walk away but, today I did not :oops:. So, I guess we could say it was willful sin. It is still stinging.
I'm not always as loving to some as I should be. Curse words sometimes fly out...not in public though! Frustration leads me at times, to lashing out in anger in the privacy of my own home. That to me is sinning and I hate it more than I can say. He always lifts me up as now, after sitting in a puddle of tears on the floor feeling sorry for myself, feeling so convicted, He lifts me up because I reach out to Him in the midst of these episodes.
Sexual sin as well as sexual thoughts have vanished! There is nothing there that I even desire, amen!
I practice walking in the light as He is in the light. Do nothing in the dark that you would not do in the light...
I do know that I need to know the difference between, sin, iniquity, trespass...as, this might clarify.
xo

I remember asking a couple women to stop!, as they were gossiping. You can imagine I wasn't that popular, but I bet they will think twice the next time. It is the reason why we are to exhort one another, especially as we see the day approaching.
 
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@Nancy

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Ask yourself, which is the best exact parallelism?

Well, the second verse is kind of an oxymoron, yes. Hard to put into words really. It first say's we no longer "practice" sin, then the last part say's he CANNOT sin so. Seems weird when compared to the KJV, yes, but the majority of other bible versions say "practice". So, since I'm not a KJVO, I have to question this. :)
 

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Well, the second verse is kind of an oxymoron, yes. Hard to put into words really. It first say's we no longer "practice" sin, then the last part say's he CANNOT sin so. Seems weird when compared to the KJV, yes, but the majority of other bible versions say "practice". So, since I'm not a KJVO, I have to question this. :)

That is the whole purpose of parallelisms. They confirm the right answer. So which is right?
 
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I remember asking a couple women to stop!, as they were gossiping. You can imagine I wasn't that popular, but I bet they will think twice the next time. It is the reason why we are to exhort one another, especially as we see the day approaching.

"I remember asking a couple women to stop!"

Haha! This I HAVE said to some! Others, I have no problem just walking away from. The one that I was conversing with today is one that I can say, nope...we aren't supposed to gossip!!! She will definitely agree and stop. She is Catholic, but a Pentecostal Catholic, lol. And, it is refreshing that she knows more of what is in the Word than any other Catholic I know, and on my mom's side they are ALL Irish and Catholic!
there are others that I will not say anything to as, they do not consider themselves born again Christians and let me tell you, they are NOT.
 
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"I remember asking a couple women to stop!"

Haha! This I HAVE said to some! Others, I have no problem just walking away from. The one that I was conversing with today is one that I can say, nope...we aren't supposed to gossip!!! She will definitely agree and stop. She is Catholic, but a Pentecostal Catholic, lol. And, it is refreshing that she knows more of what is in the Word than any other Catholic I know, and on my mom's side they are ALL Irish and Catholic!
there are others that I will not say anything to as, they do not consider themselves born again Christians and let me tell you, they are NOT.

Some who say they are not born again Christians believe "born again" is a denomination; like I'm not Catholic, even though Catholic means the united universal church.

If we are truly a Christian, we are both born again and catholic? LOL
 
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That is the whole purpose of parallelisms. They confirm the right answer. So which is right?

I know which one I WISH were right but, I must say that I do not know. But, then if they are both written in differing ways, but in many bibles...are they not both correct?

BTW-how can we parallel the same verse?
 

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I know which one I WISH were right but, I must say that I do not know. But, then if they are both written in differing ways, but in many bibles...are they not both correct?

BTW-how can we parallel the same verse?

Most translations were written after the Reformation. Their influence would cause one to insert "practice" while the holiness group would keep it at "commit."
 
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Good point.
I know God does not "wink" at sin. I know He hates it. He knows that I also hate sin and wish it to be fully eradicated from my life.
If a pastor cheats on his wife with the Church
secretary, but turns from this sin in remorse and true repentance …will he be forgiven? Is is breaking one of the ten.
Same with being angry with your brother, good as murder. I have been hurt and angry at some self proclaimed Christians, who took advantage of me when their fruits turned out to be rotten. I was angry at a disobedient "brother or sister". So, I committed murder then. And, to this day, it fades more and more but it is still not purged from my heart 100% but-HE knows our hearts and that is comforting to me.
 

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@Nancy

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Ask yourself, which is the best exact parallelism?
First, you have to learn what it is to be
sin-less, as oppossed to being sin-free.
If you do not discern the difference, you all will be at this discusssion endlessly, reaching no conclusion.
Hint: stay with the KJV (Textus Receptus Greek text).
 
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So, if committing one single sin after becoming born again...you are out?

It would seem so...

Eze 33:12, Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Eze 33:13, When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Eze 33:14, Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Eze 33:15, If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 33:16, None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Eze 33:17, Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
Eze 33:18, When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
Eze 33:19, But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
Eze 33:20, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.
 

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First, you have to learn what it is to be
sin-less, as oppossed to being sin-free.
If you do not discern the difference, you all will be at this discusssion endlessly, reaching no conclusion.
Hint: stay with the KJV (Textus Receptus Greek text).

I know what it is; I experienced the rebirth and losing the old desires of the carnal nature overnight. How about you?
 

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You still don't get it. Maybe this will help. Jesus used parables, maybe this is the only way you can see.


1 John 3:9 is not practicing sin, but committing. That is not even one time. Here is my analogy of what it is like when our carnal nature is baptized in the Holy Spirit and born again: "It is like being born with the nature of a lion, loving to kill, and having only a taste for blood and fresh meat. But the law says to not kill and only eat grass. Then that lion becomes born again into a divine new creature, a lamb. The lamb never desires to kill and loves to only eat fresh green grass. Therefore that law to not kill and eat only grass is very easy for the lamb, but impossible for the lion." You see, the lamb couldn't kill and eat meat and blood even once. It has no desire to. It is not in their nature. We do what comes naturally: either that of a lion, or that of a lamb. You can’t be both.

If you or anybody else “ could” achieve “Sinless Perfection” ( Thinking you Can is Pure silliness ) —- what would be the point? One becomes Saved By GRACE through FAITH ....You are like somebody that was trying to get the Trophy for a Pie Eating contest But somehow you got confused and at the end of the contest you discovered that you got in the wrong line and had been eating cake all along....Your Wrong - Headed Way to obtain the Trophy was a complete waste of time.....you ate more cake than anybody else , yet it turned out to be for nothing...
When “Trophies “ are handed out on Judgement Day , you are going to be in the “ wrong line”.
One Line will be at the Great White Throne, where God will grant the wishes of all of those that want to be judged by “ THEIR” performance . God will look at their Performance and say “ depart from me , I never knew you !” Their Pitiful attempts at “ Perfection” , which they missed by miles, ( they had completely ignored those “ pesky” Sins Of Omission....ooops! ) was not even a factor — Jesus took care Of The “ Sin Issue” thousands of years ago. Turns out God God was looking for TRUST all along—- just like His Word warned.....
Now Ol’ Blood Bought.....he found himself to be in the Correct Line.....the Bema Seat Of Jesus . That is where “ Faith Rewards” are passed out for all of those that “ RESTED” in the Gospel Of Grace, Plus Nothing. My Sins ? God couldn’t seem to remember them anymore ......Just as He Promised.
The simple difference between the line you were in, and your Eternal Destinity turned out to be a “ Performance”, after all! Those with the Wrong Playbook wanted to be judged by “ their”Performance. They were, and they got what they deserved —- an Eternity in Hell.
I wanted to be Judged by “ Jesus” Performance , as in the Shedding Of His Blood for a Wretched Sinner like me.Guess what? It worked.He got 100% of the credit for my Salvation— I got none of the credit—- I never wanted it.....others did . Turns out God was quite the Stickler about His Son Getting all the Glory for the Salvation Of Souls ....yep, some things just never change —- Indeed, our God is still a “ jealous God”...... He loathes “ Co- Saviors”......Don’t try to be one, by adding your damnable and delusional “ perfect performance” to His Gospel Of Grace and thereby “ Perverting” His Way and His Rules .....
“ Cake” is irrelevant in a Pie Eating Contest.....YOUR Performance” will turn out to be “ Moot” come Judgement Day when it comes to your Salvation—- Don’t wait until it is too late to discover that you were on the wrong path all along.....Your Performance was irrelevant. It was TWO THINGS and two things only that got you Saved —- #1 Christ’s Blood. #2 YOUR FAITH in #1. God Bless us all in the understanding of these things....
 

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1 John 3:4 shows the TYPE of sin the whole chapter is talking about. Lawlessness. Sins which they actually had a written law against, like murder, stealing, bearing false witness to get someone stoned. Those are willful sins unto death. They are wicked. Sins not unto death are trespasses, which, if you are walking in the Spirit, you many commit unintentionally, but they are not unto death, and are cleansed by our Advocate when we forgive others their trespasses against us.
Hello @CharismaticLady,

Would you please explain why you say, (quote) ' ... and are cleansed by our Advocate when we forgive others their trespasses against us.' Am I right in thinking that you believe that we are only 'cleansed' when we ourselves forgive others ?

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Well, the second verse is kind of an oxymoron, yes. Hard to put into words really. It first say's we no longer "practice" sin, then the last part say's he CANNOT sin so. Seems weird when compared to the KJV, yes, but the majority of other bible versions say "practice". So, since I'm not a KJVO, I have to question this. :)
Actually, in the KJV, it is quite easy to understand, when you realize just exactly what the shed blood of Christ does for us, in our relationship to God the Father.
In His eyes, through Christ by faith, we are made to be sin-less (holy) in His sight.