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Bobby Jo said:

“[The] five of whom are fallen [presumes John’s work to be written in] Vespasian’s reign. Titus is to come, but only to last for a short time. Perhaps the writer knew of the hopeless condition of Titus’ health. He is therefore either using a literary convention, and assuming an earlier date than is the fact to give his words the force of a prophecy concerning Titus, or, more likely, he is using here material written in Vespasian’s reign which partly suits his purpose and partly not; for there are very good reasons for thinking that this book was written, not in Vespasian’s reign, but in Domitian’s.”[1]

[1] Eiselen, Frederick, Edwin Lewis, & David Downey, The Abingdon Bible Commentary, Abingdon Press, NY, 1929, p. 1392

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Bobby Jo said:

If you're going to GRAB ancient nations, START WITH THE FIRST, and proceed from there:

Gen. 10:8 Cush became the father of Nimrod; he was the first on earth to be a mighty man. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the Lord.” 10 The beginning of his kingdom was Babel, Erech, and Accad, all of them in the land of Shinar. 11 From that land he went into Assyria, and built Nin′eveh, Reho′both-Ir, Calah, and 12 Resen between Nin′eveh and Calah; that is the great city.​

Or if your history is within a NEW ERA in Government, then start there:

Dan. 2:37 You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory, 38 and into whose hand he has given, wherever they dwell, the sons of men, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the air, making you rule over them all—you are the head of gold.​

Arbitrarily assigning NUMBERS to INSIGNIFICANT KINGDOMS is no different that having owned two dozen cars in your lifetime, and only acknowledge 10 because you ran out of lines on your notepad.


But what made Babylon different from the PRIOR sequence of kingdoms was the METROPOLIS MODEL:

The Babylonian Empire was “the first true metropolis in western history, a business as well as an administrative center”[1] -- the prototype of governments as we see them to this day. The Babylonians controlled trade and commerce across western Asia, from the Mediterranean Sea to the Persian Gulf, building highways, legislating business, and beautifying the capital.[2]

[1] John B. Christopher and Robert Lee Wolf, A History of Civilization, Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1967, p. 35
[2] Will Durant, Story of Civilization: Part II, Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 223-224​

Of course the commentators are oblivious to facts that even Comic Book writers see, -- that the World's Governments ALL operate under the Metropolis Model, and so they named the World Greatest City "METROPOLIS" (New York City), and the place where Superman® worked is called "The Daily Planet".

And where Nebuchadnezzar built the FIRST AMUSEMENT PARK (The Hanging Gardens), our modern governments build SPORTS ARENAS and regulate the Ounces of Dispensed sugary carbonated beverages.


So the commentator LIES are parroted by people who don't know any better, but Scripture is substantiated by History:

1. Gold, Babylon
2. Silver, Medo/Persia
3. Bronze, Greece
4. Iron, Rome
-- Clay, "Divided Kingdom"
-- 5. Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S.
-- 6. Bear, Russia
-- 7. Leopard (actually a TIGER), China
-- 8. "Dreadful", United Nations, which"was and is not" because it has NO Geography, NO Populous, NO Army, etc. It's just a PAPER entity with TEN PERMANENT MEMBERS on the Security Council -- Five Current, & Five Nominated.
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Bobby Jo

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Bobby Jo said:

11. The False Prophet-A/C.

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Bible_Gazer said:

Isn't Daniel 2 talking about kingdoms controlling Israel(Jewish people) ?
The same with Daniel 7.
Also Ezekiel 38 and 39 Gog and Magog.

Egypt and Assyria, did they not rule over these people ? Yes
Daniel 2 is dealing with the present time and the future.
He is dealing with 4 separate material = four different ruling nations.
The iron with clay is showing it got weaker in the feet by it separating into different fragments. ten toes = ten kings.
The fourth - Rome is the Iron Kingdom existed longer than the others and still on the rise to power once more.
Israel is to be controlled by another type of Kingdom(Iron in it) one more time till the image come down.

my little take on this - still learning

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Bobby Jo said:

The Rev. 12 depiction shows SEVEN Heads with TEN Horns and SEVEN Diadems (crowns)
The Rev. 13 depiction shows SEVEN Heads with TEN Horns and TEN Diadems (crowns)​

What changed is HISTORY. Since the Babylonian Empire METROPOLIS MODEL, the Diadems were over the SEVEN World Empires. But when the BEAST arose the Diadems are NOW over the TEN Horns (TEN Nation conglomerate). -- There's a change in AUTHORITY as evidenced by the SEVEN World Empires possessing their own Sovereignty, versus the end-time Three Superpowers and Seven other Nations yielding their Sovereignty over to the BEAST.

The Diadems (crowns) simply reflect AUTHORITY and their transition from historical nations to the one-world-government having a core of Ten Nations.

Bobby Jo

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Bobby Jo said:

You don't know who he is?

Consider that English is the World's Language. So well use the English alphabet to determine how the one-world-government will control who can buy or sell, -- C O M P U T E R:

A=6
B=12
C=18
D=24
E= etc.

C=18
O=90
M=72
P= etc
__________
= 666​

Now DON"T CHANGE THE METHODOLOGY, -- and sum the name of the World's Most Senior Jewish political statesman, -- K I S S I N G E R.

... and if you take a look at the -full- UPC (Uniform Product Code) "barcode", you should find two thin lines at the beginning, two thin lines at the middle, and two thin lines at the end. These are Registration Marks which if scanned correctly will accept the Product Code bars. And because of Binary, the "perfect number" is "6". Thus the UPC has an embedded "666".


And we're TOLD to figure this stuff out so that we can know that GOD's Word is TRUE and be able to distingush who the False Christ is when he becomes Secretary General of the U.N.


Should be obvious!
Bobby Jo

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Bobby Jo said:

Consider that English is the World's Language. So well use the English alphabet to determine how the one-world-government will control who can buy or sell, -- C O M P U T E R:

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Bobby Jo said:

JOHN'S A LIAR, (or so they profess). The Scripture doesn't match the presumed History, so rather than re-assign a Different History, the Blame falls on John.

Some people are so ingrained into their DOCTRINES that when it doesn't work out they throw out Scripture in deference to their Doctrine. Consider Lke 22:35-36. There are dishonest people that combine the "sword" instructions in 35-36 with DIFFERENT instructions in 37-38. And when challenged why a PURSE and BAG were needed in the Garden, they have no answer.

Also consider Walvoord's citation of Montgomery (scholar), regarding Daniel 9:

“... Montgomery, for all of his scholarship and knowledge of the history of interpretation, ends up with no reasonable interpretation at all.”[1]

[1] John Walvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 217​

... yet Walvoord ignores the observations of his hand picked BEST scholar(s) available in his conclusions.


And so we too can choose the TRUTH of Scripture and then find the TRUTH of History, or ignore Scripture and go with the "history" of our own imagination.
Bobby Jo

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Bobby Jo said:

... when my little grandchildren ask for something sometimes I have to say, -- no sweetheart --, and they ask a second time. So I tell them if they ask three more time's I'll say, -- yes --. So after they quickly ask three more times, i say, -- no sweetheart --.

So did I answer your question already, and did you want a different answer?​

Bobby Jo

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Bobby Jo said:

... of the FALSE Doctrine, or the words of John ...

Bobby Jo

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Bobby Jo said:

John writes in Future-Present-Tense. -- There were NO Seven World Empires at some 60 AD, there were only FOUR. The last THREE didn't come until the 1900's.


Bobby Jo

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