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101G
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Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"
Philippians 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
well who is God the Father? lets see, Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."
Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."
well now, either the bible, the word of God, who is God ... LIED, (God forbid), about every tongue confessing him, and every knee bowing to HIM, or the LORD, whom you calls YHWH is the same Jesus the Lord in Philippians 2:11. for it is the LORD your YHWH who said, "That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." the ME here is YHWH the LORD. and Philippians 2:11 states, "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord"
so who is telling the TRUTH? either JESUS, the Lord is YHWH or the bible is lying (God forbid) ...... your choice DNB.
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
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CharismaticLady
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Yes, you are absolutely correct, the original message from Joel was referring to God, and in Paul's verses, that were borrowed verbatim from Joel, they are referring to Christ.
This is an entirely common practice, that all prophecy has a double meaning. It is first somewhat contemporaneous, then secondly, futuristic.
I even believe that the Apostles took authorized liberties in correlating OT text to their current events - elucidating that the principles are applicable throughout time. When Moses said 'do not muzzle the mouths of an ox', he both literally and in the immediate context meant, do not do so. And, as you know, when Joel wrote, which was prior to the Assyrian invasion, his words were to be taken in the immediate context of his times, this is undeniable. Paul may use such a principle to remind his readers of the necessity to obey the mandate from God, or even apply it directly to Christ as a means to denote his calling from God.
I'm sorry, I cannot at the top of my head think of other examples as such (I know that there are many more), but, I believe that my point was both clear and valid?
Thanks!
In your signature, you need to capitalize 'Scriptures', and make 'God Holy Word' possessive. The latter will be more grammatically correct, the former will be more reverent and respectful.
101G
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No, not at all CL, and I hope that that was explicit and clear enough, as those are my convictions exactly. I think that you understood.Okay, that's what I thought you said. At least I'm not going crazy and hearing things.
Yes, you are correct, for I absolutely abhor and denounce your hermeneutics. There can be no discussion when the opposing view derives their conclusions from such a frivolous and haphazard methodology. It forces the debate to regress back to hermeneutics and exegesis 101.
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CharismaticLady
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Yes, I heard, but I didn't want to assume I understood. It was a very bold statement.
Questions: Do you believe the only way to heaven is believing that Jesus is your Savior, just not God? And what about sin: Do you believe Jesus covers our sin, or takes away the sin nature that desires to sin?
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Yes, but in a particular context and degree, for the same will be said about God, but Jesus will hand the Kingdom over to God at the appointed time. There is no conflict when two very different entities are supreme, but only within their respective jurisdictions. Every Hebrew knee bowed down to David during his reign, despite those who favoured to keep the monarchy within the House of Saul.
Yes, the only way to heaven is believing in the Messiahship of Jesus Christ - for he who has him, has the Father also (believing in both - to accept one, is to accept the One that sent him).Yes, I heard, but I didn't want to assume I understood. It was a very bold statement.
Questions: Do you believe the only way to heaven is believing that Jesus is your Savior, just not God? And what about sin: Do you believe Jesus covers our sin, or takes away the sin nature that desires to sin?
Jesus only covers sin, he does not tangibly or practically eradicate sin. Authentic Christians are a Motley crew, most of us defame God by our actions and professions, even up to our death bed despite still being saved.
That is the mandate, ...if there are extenuating circumstances eg: indoctrination, that is for God to decide.
101G
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I'm not trying to be evasive, but, in my opinion, you're so off-base that we'll spend over an hour just trying to establish viable hermeneutical techniques. I can't agree in the manner that you derived your conclusions, you're making correlations and jumping to conclusions that is uncontrolled and superficial. Prophecies and oracles in the OT relate to both the contemporaneous circumstances, but also to events in the future. Both allusions are not identical with the characters involved, and the environment or context. But, you are dogmatically making them so. You are predicating your entire thesis on these connections that you're making.
In other words, to debate with you would require first establishing the significance and scope of prophecy, before we can even discuss our proof-text.
101G
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this is a false assumption, and statement, better know as a lie. the Lord JESUS is handing over NOTHING. see the topic, "Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?", and read Post #490.
now as to confessing tongues, and bowing knees it's to the Lord Jesus WHO IS "YHWH". just as we pointed out
Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"
Philippians 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
and you see DNB, not only knees on EARTH, but under the earth, and in Heaven, and that false statement, in a throw off about David throne. "There is no conflict when two very different entities are supreme" TWO ENTITIES? .... SUPREME? are you kidding? you have two Gods, and that's IDOL WORSHIP.
Idol worship is forbidden, or did you know this?
the same Person in Philippians 2:10 & 11 is the same one Person speaking in Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."
do you know what, "and shall not return" means? immutable... unchanging, God cannot lie. and yes YOU DNB will confess to JESUS...
YIKES!DNB you make false statement. TWO ENTITIES? .... SUPREME? that's more pagan than the pagans that are in the world.
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
God is supreme over all things seen and unseen, including Christ. Christ is supreme above all things that God created, because God gave them to him and allowed him to preside over them.this is a false assumption, and statement, better know as a lie. the Lord JESUS is handing over NOTHING. see the topic, "Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?", and read Post #490.
now as to confessing tongues, and bowing knees it's to the Lord Jesus WHO IS "YHWH". just as we pointed out
Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"
Philippians 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
and you see DNB, not only knees on EARTH, but under the earth, and in Heaven, and that false statement, in a throw off about David throne. "There is no conflict when two very different entities are supreme" TWO ENTITIES? .... SUPREME? are you kidding? you have two Gods, and that's IDOL WORSHIP.
Idol worship is forbidden, or did you know this?
the same Person in Philippians 2:10 & 11 is the same one Person speaking in Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."
do you know what, "and shall not return" means? immutable... unchanging, God cannot lie. and yes YOU DNB will confess to JESUS...
DNB you make false statement. TWO ENTITIES? .... SUPREME? that's more pagan than the pagans that are in the world.
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
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