True for the Old Heart ....NOT True for the NEW HEART that God has opened to Hearing and Believing the Gospel Of Paul ( relax... Paul refers to the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 as HIS GOSPEL at least three times) That Saves.... Read about “ Lydia” , the Seller Of Purple , and what God did for her...if he did not do the same for you—- you are Lost.
The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"
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True for the Old Heart ....NOT True for the NEW HEART that God has opened to Hearing and Believing the Gospel Of Paul ( relax... Paul refers to the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 as HIS GOSPEL at least three times) That Saves.... Read about “ Lydia” , the Seller Of Purple , and what God did for her...if he did not do the same for you—- you are Lost.
You are wasting precious Computer ink with this Hog Wash....
I am forgiven because I believe Paul’s Gospel Plus Nothing.....I don’t give a “ Tinker’s Damn” about your religious “Mush” .... You know nothing about the Bible....and you Prove it every day to those of us in here that are “ Good Students Of The Word” and know how to “ Rightly Divide”
You gotta Religion That could be called, “ Judanity” —- mostly Old Testament Law with a little bit of “ Jesus” sprinkled in here and there.....It’s a Mongrel religion and God won’t have it...get help....
A lot of good your new heart has done for you...you are still the chief of sinners by your own admission (step aside Paul there's a new kid in town...do you realize how foolish you sound when you say this?)
If I can trust my new heart...then my new heart is not deceitful above all things and desperately wicked...and I am not the chief of sinners anymore.
I would even agree with this...for in Ezekiel 36:25-27 we find that the Lord gives us a new heart that isn't made of stone...and this heart is an honest and good heart according to Luke 8:15...so then, I am not the chief of sinners.
Nevertheless anyone who has a new heart that is honest and good will not trust in their own heart....they will obey the scripture that tells us that to trust in our own heart makes us a fool...and will not trust in their own heart.
They will seek to rely on the Holy Spirit for everything.
Somehow the "gospel" that you believe in has managed to produce in you a heart that has no contrition and one that is full of pride...you are also very rude.
I read through all of the epistles once per week and through the gospels, Acts, and Revelation, once per month, through Psalms and Proverbs, each, twice per month; and the rest of the Old Testament at a less rapid rate....I have probably read through the entire New Testament more than 100 times (and that is selling myself short)...so your contention that I don't know the Bible is unfounded...and you have also driven me to foolishness in boasting of my Bible reading schedule.
I also know that I rightly divide the word...I ask the Holy Spirit for illumination and insight often and seek to apply the hermeneutic of 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv) in everything.
You are a backstabber.
I once considered you to be a friend but you are in my opinion, indeed, the chief of sinners...own it...
So nice for you that you can relish in that and consider that that is a good thing...it shows even more clearly the extent of your depravity...
And I would say to you that you are still the chief of sinners; unlike Paul who, when he proclaimed that he was the chief of sinners, was talking about his former life.
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Now we have been relegated to railing on each other...see how the enemy has gained a foothold because you stooped to a personal attack against me in your post #807 (The False Doctrine with key word "COVER")...that is where this all started...and you have yet to take responsibility.
You can claim to be forgiven a million times but if you do not bear the fruit of the Spirit, whether or not you are truly forgiven is in question afaic.
But you will stand before the Lord and if "your" righteousness is not greater than that of the scribes and Pharisees you will in no wise enter the kingdom (Matthew 5:20)...you must be regenerated and renewed by the mercy of God to be fit for the kingdom (Titus 3:5 (kjv)).
But I know that at this point you will simply harden your heart....after all, you know the Bible better than I do...so you say...and therefore anything I might say to you is insubstantial...how dare I teach you from the word? You are absolutely right and cannot be wrong.
You can claim to be forgiven a million times but if you do not bear the fruit of the Spirit, whether or not you are truly forgiven is in question afaic.
But you will stand before the Lord and if "your" righteousness is not greater than that of the scribes and Pharisees you will in no wise enter the kingdom (Matthew 5:20)...you must be regenerated and renewed by the mercy of God to be fit for the kingdom (Titus 3:5 (kjv)).
But I know that at this point you will simply harden your heart....after all, you know the Bible better than I do...so you say...and therefore anything I might say to you is insubstantial...how dare I teach you from the word? You are absolutely right and cannot be wrong.
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I place you in God's hands.
Abba Father, I ask you to convict this man of his sin and if he repents that You will forgive him. If he doesn't repent then chasten him until he does...even severely if necessary.
But I cannot withhold forgiveness from him lest it damage my own personal walk, so I forgive him but I ask that You will only forgive him if he repents.
Show him that he is trusting in a false assurance and that his trust makes him hardened to being chastened by your Holy Spirit...but I pray that you will take him to the wood shed...receive him as a son, Abba (Hebrews 12:6).
I place him in Your hands and I leave him to You.
Abba Father, I ask you to convict this man of his sin and if he repents that You will forgive him. If he doesn't repent then chasten him until he does...even severely if necessary.
But I cannot withhold forgiveness from him lest it damage my own personal walk, so I forgive him but I ask that You will only forgive him if he repents.
Show him that he is trusting in a false assurance and that his trust makes him hardened to being chastened by your Holy Spirit...but I pray that you will take him to the wood shed...receive him as a son, Abba (Hebrews 12:6).
I place him in Your hands and I leave him to You.
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Brakelite
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I will respond to this.
I preach the law as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24-25, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)) and that is all.
You do not take the whole Bible into account in your theology....I do.
Jas 1:22, But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23, For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24, For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Pro 28:9, He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
Jas 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
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Brakelite
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Yes, I think unfortunately that there are many who were buried alive in baptism. The one that came up never died. Thus the new person is but an idea and a futile hope that can never overcome sin.
Brakelite
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Brakelite
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@Blood Bought 1953,
The original statement that you responded to, calling my gospel, false and perverted, in post #807 of this thread (The False Doctrine with key word "COVER") was that faith is an attitude of obedience.
Now, can you show me from the Bible that faith is not an attitude of obedience?
I believe that the word "faithful" is synonymous with the word "obedient", so that would indicate to me that faith is an attitude of obedience.
So, make your case....
How is this a false and perverted gospel?
Because I certainly don't want to be preaching a gospel that is false and perverted.
And after praying about it, I believe that the Holy Spirit is leading me to see what else you have to say on the matter; just in case you have biblical reasons for calling my gospel what you have called it.
So, have at it.
Please give biblical references that support your position (chapter and verse).
The original statement that you responded to, calling my gospel, false and perverted, in post #807 of this thread (The False Doctrine with key word "COVER") was that faith is an attitude of obedience.
Now, can you show me from the Bible that faith is not an attitude of obedience?
I believe that the word "faithful" is synonymous with the word "obedient", so that would indicate to me that faith is an attitude of obedience.
So, make your case....
How is this a false and perverted gospel?
Because I certainly don't want to be preaching a gospel that is false and perverted.
And after praying about it, I believe that the Holy Spirit is leading me to see what else you have to say on the matter; just in case you have biblical reasons for calling my gospel what you have called it.
So, have at it.
Please give biblical references that support your position (chapter and verse).
Hello @justbyfaith,
I did not say that Galatians was written to the Jew, however there are things within it that are directed to the Jews in their assembly, specifically.
The content of this post, as with the others you have addressed to me, must be brought to the word of God and judged against that plumb-line. Take time to read and consider carefully what is actually written. I say this for I know that only the word of God will convince you. Praise God!
So I shall say goodbye to you in regard to this subject, with love in the Lord, for I know that nothing I may say will convince you.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
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And I am sorry that nothing that I say will convince you of the truth of the matter.
I can only pray the Holy Spirit that He will show you clearly what you are not seeing in these things.
That the plumb line by which we will be judged is the law of God (as well as the words of our Lord) is evident to me; and that Gentiles as well as Jews will be judged is also evident to me.
It should be clear that all the world will be held guilty before God by the law of God; which will show them that they are sinners since by the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) and sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).
If Gentiles are not under the law then they are not counted as sinners by the law; for where there is no law, there is no transgression (Romans 4:15); and sin is not imputed where there is no law (Romans 5:13).
But that Gentile as well as Jew is counted as a sinner is evident from holy scripture.
The law shows the Gentile as well as the Jew that he is a sinner (Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4).
If the Gentile were not under the law, then the Gentiles would have no knowledge of sin; for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But I think you know that it is the will of the Lord that Gentiles as well as Jews might have the knowledge of sin.
Therefore the law applies to the Gentiles as a standard that shows them that they are sinners in need of a Saviour.
Perhaps in the old days, when Christianity was not preached to everyone, and Gentiles had no knowledge of the law, what you say may have been true; but today we have Bibles that contain the Old as well as the New Testaments; and therefore the law gives to Gentiles as well as Jews the knowledge of the fact that they are sinners in need of a Saviour.
And the law can be applied to Gentiles to show them that they are sinners in need of a Saviour.
Just look at the ministry of Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron (The Way of the Master).
Randy Kluth
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Yes. We are already new creatures in Christ, but we still live in the flawed flesh. We have a Sin Nature until we die. That's why we had to die.
We "overcome" in this life. In the midst of our flawed nature we choose to live right in Christ. We sense our imperfections, but we choose to ignore them and to overcome them by doing right in Christ. Our imperfect nature will cause us to do the right with flaws. But the important thing is that we do the right. There is a big difference between doing the right with flaws and doing the wrong.
Ronald Nolette
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It is possible- but not even the biggest proponent of it- Wesley could do it! Paul certainly did not by his own admission the inspired word of God.
But if one puts to death all the flesh- is instantly fully discerning of the voice of the Spirit- has the knowledge of all that is sin and what is not sin- and has learned to master their tongue as well as their own wicked nature they can!
But God Himself does not even expect that! New born babes in Christ just don't have full knowledge of doctrine, sin, and righteousness- it takes a learining curve.
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You've never met any person that meets the definition of what you just described, and no offense, but neither do you.
Only when Christ returns will such a radical conversion take place. In the meantime, we must gain wisdom in order to overcome sin, and pray for insight and fortitude.
Brakelite
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Theologically I cannot really agree with this. We do overcome by doing good. We overcome by faith. By believing in God's promises that He will strengthen and uphold us in times of need. That when we confess our sins, He will cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
You are right. I have never met anyone who is perfectly sinless and utterly holy. But that does not mean it's impossible, in fact I firmly believe that there will be a generation of believers at the very last day before Christ comes who will be spotless and without wrinkle or imperfection. This generation, the final remnant, will reflect the character of God. Thus God's ways and purposes will be fully vindicated before the watching universe and Satan's accusations fully defeated and refuted.
If God cannot do this, then He is not the God the Bible speaks of and the God we testify of.
We can do all things in Christ.
God can, and can't do a lot of things, what often determines what is viable, is the purpose behind the alleged act. So, you offered one, 'the world will witness the righteousness of God - the very thing that they denied and defied for so long'. ...personally, I think that occurred already with Christ - the 250% human who fulfilled God's Holy Law to the letter. That was sufficient, and all are bound to accept his Lordship due to this fact. Therefore, I don't believe that a repetition of this principle is necessary, for as the parable/allegory goes - '...even if I send someone from the dead, they still will not believe, for the evidence has already been displayed before them...' (paraphrase)
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Aye, this is why Jesus walked on top of the water and why Peter attempted to do the same. That water is filthy. To sink into it is to immerse ourselves into filth. Everyone outside of the Ark built by Noah when the flooding rain came also 'breathed' in that filth to their own hurt... Wrong covering! Wrong baptism!
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