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Without parliament Daniel Andrews has no accountability as he keeps choking us with the strictest and longest lockdowns in the western world

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When are we going to stop blaming the politicians and start blaming the people that put him there?
 
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When are we going to stop blaming the politicians and start blaming the people that put him there?

The problem is that the people who did not vote for the ALP in their electorate will claim that they are not responsible for the mess that is occurring in Vic, but I would suggest that they are just as responsible because they have not been able to convince the "swing" voters that a change is necessary.

I voted early yesterday for the QLD election and I hope that my ballot will make the respective parties work even harder. Two months before the election was due the ALP government put up hoarding along side road projects that they claim that the QLD government was responsible for orchestrating through expedient deals with developers, who donated money to make the ALP look good within my electorate. One particular promised road solution is a part of the last elections ALP promises, and it has taken three years for it to even begin.

Perhaps the influence of the ALP over developers to pay for their electoral promises is their way of getting around the prohibition of Developer donating funds to the respective political parties to gain their more profitable deals with governments.

I believe it is called political expediency to hide the fact that it is corruption of the lowest form through the buying of votes.
 

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When are we going to stop blaming the politicians and start blaming the people that put him there?

So instead of holding the government to account we should turn on our neighbors...
Is that fair you think? Did anyone know this was going to happen 2 years ago or that he was going to screw up this much?
Andrews gets up everyday and blames us as he lies and keeps a veil of secrecy over everything.
 

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So instead of holding the government to account we should turn on our neighbors...
Is that fair you think? Did anyone know this was going to happen 2 years ago or that he was going to screw up this much?
Andrews gets up everyday and blames us as he lies and keeps a veil of secrecy over everything.

Since Truman it has been said concerning the president of the US, "The Buck Stops Here." But really it doesn't, for a representative government. The buck stops at the people who put him there.
 
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Speaking as an American outsider, from one who is acquainted with congressional governance instead of parliamentary governance, isn't it the advantage of parliamentary systems that if protests against it are strong enough, that it would lead to a vote of no confidence which can force the Prime Minister to dissolve the government and call for new elections? In America, the government has to go through an inflexible number of years as set forth by a written constitution.

If one doesn't like how governments are operating in Australia and New Zealand, why not protest the matter on the issues that are important for citizens? That seems to be the logical course of action. Complaints, of themselves, are not enough.
 
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Speaking as an American outsider, from one who is acquainted with congressional governance instead of parliamentary governance, isn't it the advantage of parliamentary systems that if protests against it are strong enough, that it would lead to a vote of no confidence which can force the Prime Minister to dissolve the government and call for new elections? In America, the government has to go through an inflexible number of years as set forth by a written constitution.

If one doesn't like how governments are operating in Australia and New Zealand, why not protest the matter on the issues that are important for citizens? That seems to be the logical course of action. Complaints, of themselves, are not enough.

Thats right... The government called it illegal to protest during the lockdowns arresting people for just talking about protesting... This was unconstitutional but for the most people who don't understand politics it was enough to keep them scared inside.
 
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Since Truman it has been said concerning the president of the US, "The Buck Stops Here." But really it doesn't, for a representative government. The buck stops at the people who put him there.

Very true, the current state government of Victoria won the last state election by a landslide, they wouldn't have won by that much if it weren't for the Victorian voters.

I trust that God has allowed the right man in as Premier for the moment we are in.
 

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I totally hate the system that we have had for the last so many elections, that we have to vote 1 to what ever number of candidates that are on the list.
It should be that you can vote 1 for one person and leave the rest or number 2, 3, 4, if you want to or leave the rest out.

We have 5 to vote for in my area and one is just a joke, who would vote for such nonsense ! but you have been forced to, but here is the deal I am stuck with, how do I vote so I can get the ALP out, that's my tactic, I am going to do my best to get the ALP out.

So I will vote 1 for the one I want One nation and then 2 for the next one LNP I am ok with that. but as to number 3 I will have to put the joke in 3rd place and then 4th Greens and then ALP last, now why do I do that well it's because I don't want any of my preference to help the ALP across the line to power again.
But I would vote differently by rights it would be One nation 1st then LNP 2ed then ALP 3rd then greens then the moron joke that just should not be their. but why is such a political cunning dog plated their one may ask, I never heard of such a thing until now. well the ALP very cunning and dropped this joke in their as a tactic to win. smart move on their part because this idiot plant will get numbers in the bastard system we are forced to vote with. it will get the ALP across the line in my area easy as pie. THIS DOG CUNNING HAS TO BE STOPED !
I should be able to vote how I want and I would put 1 One nation and 2 LNP and that's it only. but if I don't my vote will not count.

The majority of QLD voted right wing by far last term and they could of won 12 seats easy as pie but the LNP went against the Conservatives and handed it to the ALP on a silver platter, and most are not informed of the facts, because the Media did not bring it up ! I brought the issue up with one nation and it fell on deaf ears they only wanted to shut me up. We are all being played !

All the morons talk about the so called gerrymander of the Sir Joh era that he just inherited from the ALP before him in fact, well he had nothing on this great scam that is going on nowadays by far.
I believe that they are all payed off by the NWO Mob of Communist antichrist bastards. they are running our State into the ground that far that it's out of control and we get no mention on the debt, it's a non issue now. the LNP has enough ammunition to wipe the ALP out but they will not because they are in bed with them. and One Nation never won a seat last time because they are in bed with them as well.
 
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Speaking as an American outsider, from one who is acquainted with congressional governance instead of parliamentary governance, isn't it the advantage of parliamentary systems that if protests against it are strong enough, that it would lead to a vote of no confidence which can force the Prime Minister to dissolve the government and call for new elections? In America, the government has to go through an inflexible number of years as set forth by a written constitution.

If one doesn't like how governments are operating in Australia and New Zealand, why not protest the matter on the issues that are important for citizens? That seems to be the logical course of action. Complaints, of themselves, are not enough.
We had Governor Generals with powers to deal with such, but now they don't have any power at all unless the Party lets the Governor General to do so, so such a Governor would be cutting oneself head off to try to do so.

It makes no difference what the people want at all, it has to do with the Law. so the whole people of the nation could be in a spack attack but that has noting to do with governance at all, only fools would claim such childish whims to trying to changing governments, rubbish like that could go on and on. no it's the Law that one is dealing with, not childish whims.

The last Governor General kicked out the federal ALP Government and the Media have not educated the people on the subject yet, the Next ALP PM was ranting like a moron until he got into office and came to understand the gravity of the situation and he said in his book that such was the correct thing to do, so he woke up to the reality of the fact, but the ALP worked to safe guard themselves in the future because they are Socialist and changed the Laws regarding such things and the LP are full of cunning criminals as well, so it got passed.

Protesters are trash in the main, just dug up by some bunch of morons. most truly working people have no time for such rubbish. it's the bludgers and government workers that are the squeaky wheel.

The Governor should step in if a Government claims to miss represent the people as to what they claimed to do in an election campaign, they would have to show cause ect, I believe. I have seen morons go and totally disregard what they said they were about to do.
The Political people were called The right Honourable who ever, but they are not called such anymore, they brought out a Law that they could lie as well that got passed.

We are just becoming trash Socialist duped nation, where everyone is equal nothings. the Satanist are just empowering the trash, it's an old trick that always backfires, stupid is as stupid does.
 
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For the life of mei cannot understand Australian politics. In Victoria the Australian Labor party is left wing liberally thinking where gay rights and sex education in schools (safe schools) are promoted and practiced.
In South Australia is the opposition, the Liberal party, who is sponsoring a conception to birth abortion bill. Please, can anyone help me out here???
 

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For the life of mei cannot understand Australian politics. In Victoria the Australian Labor party is left wing liberally thinking where gay rights and sex education in schools (safe schools) are promoted and practiced.
In South Australia is the opposition, the Liberal party, who is sponsoring a conception to birth abortion bill. Please, can anyone help me out here???

I believe South Australia came up with the Safe Schools before Victoria did, I am not sure if they call it the same thing there though.
 

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I totally hate the system that we have had for the last so many elections, that we have to vote 1 to what ever number of candidates that are on the list.
It should be that you can vote 1 for one person and leave the rest or number 2, 3, 4, if you want to or leave the rest out.

We have 5 to vote for in my area and one is just a joke, who would vote for such nonsense ! but you have been forced to, but here is the deal I am stuck with, how do I vote so I can get the ALP out, that's my tactic, I am going to do my best to get the ALP out.

So I will vote 1 for the one I want One nation and then 2 for the next one LNP I am ok with that. but as to number 3 I will have to put the joke in 3rd place and then 4th Greens and then ALP last, now why do I do that well it's because I don't want any of my preference to help the ALP across the line to power again.
But I would vote differently by rights it would be One nation 1st then LNP 2ed then ALP 3rd then greens then the moron joke that just should not be their. but why is such a political cunning dog plated their one may ask, I never heard of such a thing until now. well the ALP very cunning and dropped this joke in their as a tactic to win. smart move on their part because this idiot plant will get numbers in the bastard system we are forced to vote with. it will get the ALP across the line in my area easy as pie. THIS DOG CUNNING HAS TO BE STOPED !
I should be able to vote how I want and I would put 1 One nation and 2 LNP and that's it only. but if I don't my vote will not count.

The majority of QLD voted right wing by far last term and they could of won 12 seats easy as pie but the LNP went against the Conservatives and handed it to the ALP on a silver platter, and most are not informed of the facts, because the Media did not bring it up ! I brought the issue up with one nation and it fell on deaf ears they only wanted to shut me up. We are all being played !

All the morons talk about the so called gerrymander of the Sir Joh era that he just inherited from the ALP before him in fact, well he had nothing on this great scam that is going on nowadays by far.
I believe that they are all payed off by the NWO Mob of Communist antichrist bastards. they are running our State into the ground that far that it's out of control and we get no mention on the debt, it's a non issue now. the LNP has enough ammunition to wipe the ALP out but they will not because they are in bed with them. and One Nation never won a seat last time because they are in bed with them as well.

But then if you put Greens 2nd last, it could risk putting them into power, especially if you live in Brisbane. So say if you first Preference One Nation and 4th preference Greens and 5th Preference Labor, if Greens and Labor are the clear two front runners, all the other parties drop out, and the votes from that party get re-distributed to the next preference of the voters, and your 4th preference vote ends up going to....... the Greens, since One Nation, the Liberals or whoever else did not get enough first preference votes to be one of the two front runners.

Here is the mathematics behind our preferential voting system.

The mathematics of voting

I know they have them how-to-vote cards but not everybody follows the recommended preferences of the Liberal Party or One Nation or whoever they are voting for, a few Liberal voters probably even 2nd preference the Greens, even though the Liberal how-to-vote card might have the Greens 2nd last.
 

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Now at long last the premier inn Victoria has relaxed the restrictions. All retail now open albeit limited numbers in stores. Slightly larger gatherings in and out, travel restrictions still in place until perhaps next week. I am happy for all the businesses and workers.
BUT....

So the reason for opening up is low case numbers. (Currently a 14 day rolling average of new cases less than 3). No new cases today. No deaths. Total cases out of a population of 7 million or there abouts stands at only 91!!!! Yes you heard correctly. Or read correctly. In a population of 7 odd million we have only 91 active cases. Now of course that's a great number. Anyone has got to be pleased with that, me Included. But at what cost?
A precedent has now been set. How many cases numbers will motivate the next lock down? 5? 10? At what stage are we going to say, we need to tolerate a certain case presence in the community realising that a certain small percentage may get sick, and a certain small percentage of those sick may die? How many? If the tolerance level is no deaths, them we had better close the roads altogether to avoid traffic accidents. Ban all unhealthy take away food. Got to avoid heart attacks. Stay inside to avoid over work and stress. Wrap ourselves in bubble wrap until we die of old age and never actually live.
We cannot allow fear to paralyze us all in the future. We need to have common sense and realise that death is going to have to become a part of this new so called "normal".
 
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But then if you put Greens 2nd last, it could risk putting them into power, especially if you live in Brisbane. So say if you first Preference One Nation and 4th preference Greens and 5th Preference Labor, if Greens and Labor are the clear two front runners, all the other parties drop out, and the votes from that party get re-distributed to the next preference of the voters, and your 4th preference vote ends up going to....... the Greens, since One Nation, the Liberals or whoever else did not get enough first preference votes to be one of the two front runners.

Here is the mathematics behind our preferential voting system.

The mathematics of voting

I know they have them how-to-vote cards but not everybody follows the recommended preferences of the Liberal Party or One Nation or whoever they are voting for, a few Liberal voters probably even 2nd preference the Greens, even though the Liberal how-to-vote card might have the Greens 2nd last.
Well that's true, depending on who is in your area, if you know the greens are powerful in your area then you may have to adjust your tactic in how you preference your vote. I am in one of the strongest ALP areas, greens are nothing to worry about here as to getting in. but this idiot is clearly a ring in for the ALP to prop them up. many will be fooled by the tactic. it's criminal that we have to vote for every one.
What if their was a Nazi Party on the list or a Communist Party on the list that you had to give a preference to, C'mom man ! you would be aiding and abetting such nonsense. not to mention such as we have could get them in power if not justified.
We have to stop this type of Voting system and make it your preference only and if you vote 1 that's all you need do, not this you must vote for every moron criminal act that is corrupt as hell. remember all the morons crying 24/7 claiming Sir Joh was setting up a rigged system, well it was not rigged at all in fact and no one could prove any such a thing, all the ALP did was push another tactic line, the more fishing rods you have in the water you may hook more in. that was only one of their tactics.

And here we see this criminal voting system we have now that the bate is set like crab pots are set up and if the ALP needs to pull up a crab pot to get across the line they will and the LNP are doing it as well. the LNP and the ALP got together with this totally corrupt system and they worked it out so as to stomp One Nation out of seats and it worked a treat.
Such is as corrupt as hell, why should we be forced to vote for all, that's so much like Nazi Germany tactics that this system is taking on, they are bastards why the hell can't I just vote 1. what they are doing is evil and coercion temptation cunning mongrel dog tactics.
I want them all in Jailed for this perversion of justice obstruction of our freedom rights. I have no need for some Vampire to coerce me to preference something I despise.

I want all conservatives to join together in a new Party and become a force united in a Conservative National Party. get rid of all the little nonsense as Shooters Party, Fishing Party ect as that is getting us no where, being all over the shop.
P Hanson has to step down and let the Party have a real go at it, she can be in it for sure but not the leader as it stands, she is lazy and not a good leader, ex Senator Malcolm Roberts is a Great Leader, what a injustice that he got kicked out of the Senate because he had not renounced past citizen things, I have such as well but I will not be giving such up for their cunning games, he game was played in order mainly to get Senator M Roberts out, because he would expose to much corruption and that is all it was to do with. we had pommy PM's in our past and loads of sitting members, so why the big deal all of a sudden.
 

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Daniel Andrews is so evil... All he cares about is power and control... Nothing more... His dictatorship is responsible for the second wave which killed 800 people with covid, and even more people without covid. His tyranny has turned the lives of millions of people into a dystopian nightmare...

And for this Dan decides to celebrate with expensive whiskey just to rub it into the people who are struggling to afford to eat...

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Celebrating his destruction of Victorian's...
 

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Treasurer of Australia, Josh Frydenberg... Respect...
His from Melbourne. He has lived it, witnessed it, felt it...
He knows and its a welcome change to hear a politician stand up for the people here instead of always being accused, blamed, lied to, over policed, punished, hurt and disregarded...


And what in the hell are the Labour MPs making noise about...
"Who cares" one of them said... That sums up the left... Who cares about people...
 
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