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Baptism and being born again the same?

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptism!
 

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Baptism and being born again the same?

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptism!
Nope, try again.

Let's try John 1:12 first.
 
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How do you receive Him?
HE found me because I was looking for HIM.

But...
The issue and Topic of sonship is a theme in John's Gospel account.

First it talks about how Jesus is not the Father but is most definitely God. Jesus was the agent of creation and embodiment of the Law. (1:14)

Then John records several exchanges between himself and Pharisees. Claiming that the Pharisees father is the devil.
It also shows his evolving relationship with his biological Family...as Mary knew that it would.

"Born again" is a bad translation and old marketing campaign from the 70's.
It has nothing to do with the priesthood of every believer which is the centerpiece of Baptism. (Personal access to God)

Born again is a mistranslation and should be "Born from Above" which anthropological studies show us is a particular class of individual in Israel's history. And it actually fits in with John's revealing of the two sides of believers vx unbelievers.


That's why I said, "Try Again".
 

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Don’t we put on Christ by baptism?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
 

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Baptism and being born again the same?

I would say no, not the same thing.

A conversion of a man, is the Spiritual Works of the Lord God.
It's a VERY Quick process, yet has an ORDER.

Baptism is the Entering of the Spirit of God...
Receiving Gods Seed is that which re- Births a man's natural spirit to a Spiritual spirit.

Remembering...a man's Conversion is Pre-seeded by a Man having Received Faith, Repenting and Confessing his heartfelt belief.

That confession comes from a Corrupt man.

God does Not Enter what is Corrupt!
There is the "clean up" factor to consider.

Glory to God,
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Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ!
Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

Sanctification: the life of grace, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love!
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
 

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Eph 4:5 one Lord! One faith! One baptism!
*There is only one baptism that places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
 
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Baptism and being born again the same?
NO. To automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted. Have you cosidered "living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39? In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. *Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. *Living water is not water baptism. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit. *Perfect harmony*

In John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit.. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing. If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.

There are still others who would point out that "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the Word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, divine life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit is the Agent who accomplishes the miracle of regeneration.

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)
John 3:14 - And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)
In regards to water baptism in John 3:22, by this time Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing...

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.
It's actually John 4:1 and verse 2 says - (though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples).

Born again means Baptism!
Absolutely false!
 

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John 1:12 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

Receive Him...right to Become "children of God."
Agree to Receive His Spirit...right to Become MADE "sons of God"

Order, Way...bit by bit.
:)

Glory to God,
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Receive Him...right to Become "children of God."
Agree to Receive His Spirit...right to Become MADE "sons of God"

Order, Way...bit by bit.
:)

Glory to God,
Taken

Notice the past tense?
You seem to be missing that part.

It's actually a bit of a special case and why language studies are relevant.

In Greek it's an example of "perfect aortist" tense that means past, present, and future tenses all at the same time.
 

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Notice the past tense?
You seem to be missing that part.

It's actually a bit of a special case and why language studies are relevant.

In Greek it's an example of "perfect aortist" tense that means past, present, and future tenses all at the same time.

I notice the tense.
Offering- of something particular TO Receive that particular thing.
Once the Offering IS Accepted...the Offering has been Receiv-ED.

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I notice the tense.
Offering- of something particular TO Receive that particular thing.
Once the Offering IS Accepted...the Offering has been Receiv-ED.

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But we also have (past tense) become, will, (future) and are now (present tense) Children of God...the Bene Elohim if you will.

Not subject to change...one doesn't just give away children and forget they are yours.

I might be the redheaded step child (ugly and easier on the conscience to spank than the others) but I'm still one of His kids.

I claim him proudly and He does the same.
 

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But we also have (past tense) become, will, (future) and are now (present tense) Children of God...the Bene Elohim if you will.

Not subject to change...one doesn't just give away children and forget they are yours.

I might be the redheaded step child (ugly and easier on the conscience to spank than the others) but I'm still one of His kids.

I claim him proudly and He does the same.

God desires love from His Creations, but does not Force.
Numerous times in Scripture, Division and Separation is taught. If one agrees to yield, allow them to stay, If they promote opposition to God, send them away or you leave.

There is going to be a Separation.
God is Just...everyone will get what they lived their life wanting...To BE With Him or want nothing to do With Him.

Glory to God,
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