A New Heaven And A New Earth

everything is getting destroyed........... So yes, there will be a new.

Jesus Is Lord.

Just like the transition from the first earth and heaven age to this present age, there will be a destruction and new formation referred to in the manuscripts as a kat-a -bow. (forgive me for any misspellings). The start of Genesis is about God creating the heavens and the earth. Where it says the earth was without form and void is the re formation of the heaven and earth after the katabow. The tribulation will mark the beginning of a new katabow. Jesus returning with us will be the new fe formation of the heavens and the earth also referred to as the third earth age.

rev dw embry said:

Just like the transition from the first earth and heaven age to this present age, there will be a destruction and new formation referred to in the manuscripts as a kat-a -bow. (forgive me for any misspellings). The start of Genesis is about God creating the heavens and the earth. Where it says the earth was without form and void is the re formation of the heaven and earth after the katabow. The tribulation will mark the beginning of a new katabow. Jesus returning with us will be the new fe formation of the heavens and the earth also referred to as the third earth age.

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Agreed right you are :lol:

New Jerusalem, which has also been called the Tabernacle of God, the Holy City, the City of God, the Celestial City, and Heavenly Jerusalem, is literally heaven on earth. It is referred to in the Bible in several places (Isaiah 52:1, Galatians 4:26, Hebrews 11:10, 12:22-24, and 13:14), but it is most fully described in the 21st chapter of the book of Revelation.

Revelation chapters 21-22 gives us a detailed picture of the new heavens and the new earth. After the events of the end times, the current heavens and earth will be done away with and replaced by the new heavens and new earth. The eternal dwelling place of believers will be the new earth.
The new earth is the “heaven” on which we will spend eternity. It is the new earth where the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city, will be located. It is on the new earth that the pearly gates and streets of gold will be.

Heaven—the new earth—is a physical place where we will dwell with glorified bodies (1 Corinthians 15:35-58).
The concept that heaven is “in the clouds” is unbiblical.
The concept that we will be “spirits floating around in heaven” is also unbiblical.
The heaven that believers will experience will be a new and perfect planet on which we will dwell. The new earth will be free from sin, evil, sickness, suffering, and death. It will likely be similar to our current earth, or perhaps even a re-creation of our current earth, but without the curse of sin.

What about the new heavens? It is important to remember that in the ancient mind, “heavens” referred to the skies and outer space, as well as the realm in which God dwells.
So, when Revelation 21:1 refers to the new heavens, it is likely indicating that the entire universe will be created—a new earth, new skies, a new outer space. It seems as if God's heaven will be recreated as well, to give everything in the universe a “fresh start,” whether physical or spiritual.

Christina said:

What about the new heavens? It is important to remember that in the ancient mind, “heavens” referred to the skies and outer space, as well as the realm in which God dwells.
So, when Revelation 21:1 refers to the new heavens, it is likely indicating that the entire universe will be created—a new earth, new skies, a new outer space. It seems as if God's heaven will be recreated as well, to give everything in the universe a “fresh start,” whether physical or spiritual.

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Yep. there is a lot of space junk floating around that we have deployed that will need to be cleared out. Some of it will probably be used in the katabow.

rev dw embry said:

Yep. there is a lot of space junk floating around that we have deployed that will need to be cleared out. Some of it will probably be used in the katabow.

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It will be this earth but all the rudiment (stoicheion) = junk, trash, will have been "melt with fervent heat."

rev dw embry said:

Just like the transition from the first earth and heaven age to this present age, there will be a destruction and new formation referred to in the manuscripts as a kat-a -bow. (forgive me for any misspellings). The start of Genesis is about God creating the heavens and the earth. Where it says the earth was without form and void is the re formation of the heaven and earth after the katabow. The tribulation will mark the beginning of a new katabow. Jesus returning with us will be the new fe formation of the heavens and the earth also referred to as the third earth age.

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Hi Rev, just want to point out it does not mention the heaven(s) being re-formed; the disruption, or katabole, was of the earth alone. The on-heavenlies, its inhabitants, are still the same, the earth is in transition from decay and corruption. Those inhabitants who are not servant messengers of God will come into reconciliation through the manifestation of the sons of God and the working of the Body of Christ in the heavenly realms after they have been transformed into His image at His coming in clouds.
fivesense

Endzone said:

Doesn't the book of Revelation say that there will be a new heaven and a new Earth? I always thought that Heaven or the "New Jerusalem" was the cubic shaped place also described in Revelation that is like a cube with a side of about 1200 miles. I often wonder if this is a multi-tiered city because I can't understand why you would need walls 1200 miles high around it. Any thoughts on that?

Also, if the cube is the New Jerusalem or "Heaven", they why is a new Earth needed? Will redeamed Christians live on the new Earth or will they live in Heaven or both? Any thoughts on this? Thanks.

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A few posts back, I was amazed at the mental picture someone had posted about the dimensions of the New Jerusalem, and it's incredible proportions. It will be housing all of saved Israel, those who had faith but died without receiving the promise. No doubt millions of them over the centuries, raised from the dead to live there as He promised them. No doubt strangers in the gates and proselytes will obtain there as well. Never ending light, the log of life, the glory of the Father and the Son there and God dwelling with humankind. It is all too, too much.
fivesense

So fivesense, you don't think the redeamed will live on the Earth also? Then why is God making a new Earth? Any guesses?

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That's easy................ All the animals will be with us in Heaven except cats............ God is not that cruel, so instead of throwing the Cats in Hell, He made a earth for them. That way we can be seperate, and the cats live, though they don't deserve it.

Mike.

Endzone said:

So fivesense, you don't think the redeamed will live on the Earth also? Then why is God making a new Earth? Any guesses?

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The redeemed of Israel shall inherit the earth, as was promised them by the Lord Jehovah. The ones who died in faith, having not recevied the promises (Heb 11:13), will receive life back from death, and be ruled over by the Twelve during Christs' reign for a thousand years. The Covenant they made at Sinai will find fulfillment during that period. He gave His word, and it will not return void. God is not a man, that He should lie.

We will not be inhabiting the new earth. Our spirit bodies will not find any permanent place there for us. Our part will not be physical, it will be spiritual, performed in changed and deathless bodies.

1C 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

AV 1C 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

AV 1C 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

AV 1C 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

AV 1C 15:51 . Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

AV 1C 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

AV 1C 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The new earth and new heaven which appear after the Lord's Day, the thousand years, are still what they are; two different realms.
The earth will still be formed, this time without water (Rev 21:1), and the heavens will be still be spiritual in its state. This is the second heaven of the three that Paul the apostle refers to in his revelation from the glorified Christ.

2C 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2C 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Much was revealed to Paul which he was forbidden to speak to us, which was his privilege to know as the slave of Christ Jesus. John only saw the second heaven, not the third. The first heaven remains to this moment.

Watching kids who have been given all they demand of their parents is disturbing. Unthankful, unappreciative and tyrannical satellites roaming the earth, disturbing everyone they meet. God will not have that of His creation, His sons and daughters. All is moving towards that end, wherein He is All things to everyone. He will be All in all

1C 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Even the Lord's reign comes to an end, though most of Christendom teaches otherwise, so that His Father may rule completely. The earth is the venue of flesh and spirit. When all have come to a realization of the futility and vanity of being earthbound and separated from God, Who is spirit, then the need of the venue will cease, and the adoration and praise from spirit beings like Himself that the loving Father seeks will be the reality.
fivesense

Brother Mike said:

That's easy................ All the animals will be with us in Heaven except cats............ God is not that cruel, so instead of throwing the Cats in Hell, He made a earth for them. That way we can be seperate, and the cats live, though they don't deserve it.

Mike.

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My dogs feel the same way. My brother-in-law too, for that matter. That darn cat!
fivesense

fivesense said:

...The earth will still be formed, this time without water (Rev 21:1), ....

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Doesn't God like fish? He say He does in Genesis.

Sorry for stating the obvious, but it seems to have been missed.
There will be new Heaven and Earth because the current one’s so stuffed up from both fallen man (a.k.a. all of us) and a corrupted nature. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m really looking forward to Dino rides! Don’t you want to see and interact with all of creation as God originally intended it, not just the handful of species we haven’t managed to corrupt or extinguish yet? To see creation as it was originally intended – perfect!
For God saw all that he had made - and it was very good!

Martin W. said:

There is enough atomic energy contained in the cup of coffee on my desk to boil all the water out of all the oceans on earth.

If anyone can explain to me how all the power of the atom got into the atom , then we can discuss how everybody fits into the cube of the New Jerusalem .

I have spent a fair bit of time trying to understand advanced physics but do not have the answer.

Einstein spent a fair bit of time pondering those things and did not come up with a complete answer.

Privately , Albert would confess his interest in advanced physics was because he was trying to figure out how God made what he made and how did he do it.

Mankind , we think we are pretty smart because we figured out how to split an atom and release it's energy.

But we forget that the power in the atom existed before we even pondered it. And somebody much smarter than us knows how the thing was made. All we did was split a couple of atoms.

Our knowledge and understanding is extremely limited. But you would never know it by talking with us.

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Great, just great. Charged me up, diminished me even more in my own eyes, and I'm off to bed. No where else to go and I ain't talkin'.

fivesense

Can someone tell me what is so corrupt about Gods heavenly place of dwelling so that he needs to destroy it and create a new one? I can understand how you might take the earth as being literally in need of being replaced by a new one because we can see the damage down here, but how can you honestly think that there is something wrong with Gods home, his throne in heaven, his abiding place of holiness...????

I'd like to explain why the 'new heaven and new earth' should not be taken literally because that idea really does imply that God has created something that he is unable of repairing...which is impossible.

In the KJ version at 2 Peter 3:10 KJ it reads, “the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” if you look at this verse you might conclude, like many do, that the earth is going to be destroyed. But other verses in the bible say that the earth will remain forever such as Psalm 104:5 & Eccl 1:4 as examples.


God does not contradict himself, so we must look at the verse in 2 Peter and ask what exactly is the 'earth' in that verse. It cannot be the phycial earth because the bible shows in many other verses that the earth will stand forever. So 'earth' in 2 peter must be figurative. The same goes for the 'heavens'...there is nothing wrong with heaven and it has not need of being destroyed.


Ask yourselves this....Has the earth ever experienced destruction before?


Im sure you agree that it has for that is exactly what happened in Noahs day. 2 Peter 3:5 tells us that the earth (greek ge') was destroyed by the flood in Noahs day. But we know the planet (greek ge') was not destroyed and replaced with a new one. The 'earth' was figurative for the 'people' of that time for it was the people who all were destroyed in the flood. And so it will be again...it will be corrupt humanity and those who continue in rebellion that will be destroyed....not the existing physical earth.


And with regard to the heavens, the same goes. There is no reason to destroy the heavens and create a new one. What has been created is a new situation in the heavens. That new situation is the new Kingdom which is being ruled by Christ. That is what the 'new heavens' is refering to....not a literal new heaven but a change in the circumstances of heaven.

Pegg, here’s my take on Revelation 21:1
My understanding is that there are at least 3 heavens (I will freely admit to just parroting this, I’ve never had the time & inclination to look deeper). In II Corinthians 12:2 Paul talks of having visited the “third” heaven – where God’s throne is. The second is where the “Powers and Principalities” abide, as mentioned in Ephesians 3:10, etc. The first is the heavens, the sky/universe.
Since the same Greek word is used throughout the NT for virtually every reference (the second word used refers to being in the midst of the sky) I’ve always assumed that the heaven being referred to here is the sky/universe.
Again, my understanding is that because all of creation has been corrupted, all of creation will be renewed. As to why is can’t be repaired, I think technically we wouldn’t be able to tell which method God uses. I would like think that we are being taken back to the state of things at the Garden so we can do it right this time (assuming you subscribe to a Young Earth). If you don’t subscribe to a Young Earth well maybe you have to limit God’s fixing up of things to the atmosphere.
Hope this has added some clarity.

Grat said:

Pegg, here’s my take on Revelation 21:1
My understanding is that there are at least 3 heavens (I will freely admit to just parroting this, I’ve never had the time & inclination to look deeper). In II Corinthians 12:2 Paul talks of having visited the “third” heaven – where God’s throne is. The second is where the “Powers and Principalities” abide, as mentioned in Ephesians 3:10, etc. The first is the heavens, the sky/universe.
Since the same Greek word is used throughout the NT for virtually every reference (the second word used refers to being in the midst of the sky) I’ve always assumed that the heaven being referred to here is the sky/universe.
Again, my understanding is that because all of creation has been corrupted, all of creation will be renewed. As to why is can’t be repaired, I think technically we wouldn’t be able to tell which method God uses. I would like think that we are being taken back to the state of things at the Garden so we can do it right this time (assuming you subscribe to a Young Earth). If you don’t subscribe to a Young Earth well maybe you have to limit God’s fixing up of things to the atmosphere.
Hope this has added some clarity.

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Hi

I know the jews had some strange ideas about the different levels of heaven...they actually said there were 7 stages into heaven. If their idea of different levels of heaven were true, then im sure the NT writers would have acknowledged them but the fact is that they dont so its pure speculation.

Its a difficult passage to understand though i'll agree with that, but I would not conclude by Pauls words that he was subscribing to the idea of different levels in heaven.

You might notice in vs 4 that he specifically mentions being caught way into 'paradise' which is an earthy place not a heavenly one.

Well, I don't know about no NT writer acknowledging the idea of "multiple" heavens. Arguments from silence are notoriously difficult. I’d have to think on this one. Most of the examples that immediately spring to mind aren’t appropriate to our discussion.
I assume that you are not saying that God’s throne exists in our sky? Or do you subscribe to the idea that God’s throne is off in some corner of our physical universe? If this is the case, then you have a real problem in that God creates the heavens in Genesis 1 unless you assume that the angels, etc, where created after this (since they’d have nowhere to go)?
Also, the term “paradise” occurs three times in NT scripture. It’s an oriental word meaning “parks” or “walled place” that passed into use in Greek. I cannot see how it’s use or not changes our discussion. What is really interesting is that in the Septuagint it is the word used for the Garden of Eden.
Anyway, my point is that Paul specifically uses the idea of the third heaven here, in this verse.
At worst, we’ve shown that the NT writers used the term “heaven” broadly, therefore it would seem reasonable (for our own sanity) to understand this passage in Revelation using the idea of God renewing the sky/atmosphere, if not all of creation.