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sniper, I do not want to change the OP by talking about this subject here, check out the answer in this post from a while back: http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/11998-what-was-the-starting-point-for-the-3-days-and-3-nights-prophecy/page__p__84150__hl__three%20day%20three%20nights__fromsearch__1&#entry84150
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If you want to discuss it more start a new thread.

thanks for the link and your attempt there to explain. im glad that i didnt participate, for i find your post to be ABSOLUTELY irrelevant to the subject at hand, very speculative and meaningless. im sorry to bring up the issue on this thread, and NO, i do not want to discuss it more on a new thread.
 

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thanks for the link and your attempt there to explain. im glad that i didnt participate, for i find your post to be ABSOLUTELY irrelevant to the subject at hand, very speculative and meaningless. im sorry to bring up the issue on this thread, and NO, i do not want to discuss it more on a new thread.



My post to you was an attempt to answer your question, “please explain how you believe that jesus was in the tomb for "three" days. upon reading the gospels in the nt, i only come up with 1 1/2 days.”

In my response I gave a link to the answer to your question, with the instructions that follow the link telling you to scroll to the top of the link for your answer.

My answer was neither, “irrelevant ,… speculative … meaningless,” but answered your question specifically.”
 

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Two Sabbaths that Week

Matthew makes it plain that two Sabbaths had passed since Jesus was crucified. The KJV has this rendering:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Matthew 28:1).

On this verse nearly all translators have allowed tradition to control their translation. It is not "Sabbath" but "Sabbaths" in the Greek text (the genitive case and the plural number). The verse properly translated would read:

"In the end of the sabbaths . . . ."

This allows for an annual Sabbath on Thursday and a regular Sabbath on Saturday.

When Jesus was buried near sundown on the day of the Passover,

"Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary"

watched the burial Matthew 27:58-61. Immediately after the burial, Luke says:

"And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on" (Luke 3:54).

This Sabbath was an annual Sabbath on Thursday. The day after the annual Sabbath the women bought spices, Mark 16:1. Luke tells us that the women, after preparing the spices on Friday,

" . . . rested the sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23:56).



There is nothing in the Bible to favor the Good Friday crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The biblical record harmonizes with a Wednesday crucifixion and Saturday evening resurrection--a full 72 hours. This view allows for a literal interpretation of "three days and three nights." It allows for the word "after three days" to mean just that. It proves that Jesus Christ fulfilled the sign of Jonah and thus proved His Messiahship to the Jews.

Written By: Milburn Cockrell
 

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OK 1.5 days. You got it. Question still unanswered though. Were Jesus' Spirit apart from His body?

please explain how you believe that jesus was in the tomb for "three" days. upon reading the gospels in the nt, i only come up with 1 1/2 days (from friday evening before the sabboth until just before dawn of sunday, the day after the sabboth).
 

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http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/was-jesus-in-the-grave-for-three-days-and-nights.html

The Good Friday Hoax
The Bible nowhere says or implies that Jesus was crucified and died on Good Friday! It is said that Jesus was crucified on

"the day before the Sabbath", (Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:14, 31, 42).​
As the Jewish weekly Sabbath came on Saturday, scholars have assumed Jesus was crucified on Good Friday. This is poor reasoning because the Bible bears abundant testimony that the Jews had other Sabbaths beside the weekly Sabbath which fell on Saturday.

The first day of the Passover week, no matter on what day of the week it came, was always an annual Sabbath.

"And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein" (Leviticus 23:6, 7).​
On the seventh day of this feast, the 21st of Nisan, was another annual Sabbath:

" . . . in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein" (Leviticus 23:8).​
The day of Pentecost was an annual Sabbath Numbers 28:26. This is the reason we read about Sabbaths in the plural number in the Old Testament Leviticus 26:2, 34, 35, 43.

The Bible makes it plain, Jesus was crucified and buried on:

" . . . the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath" (Mark 15:42).​
John tells us:

"And it was the preparation of the Passover" (John 19:14).​
It was the preparation day on which the Passover Supper was made ready [editor's note: actually it was the preparation for the Holy Day, the Night to Be Much Remembered], the 14th of Nisan John 13:1, 29; 18:28. It was the preparation to keep the Passover Sabbath--the annual Sabbath which always came on the 15th day of the first ecclesiastical month. John 19:31 adds:

" . . . (for that sabbath day was an high day) . . . ."​
Its greatness was due to the fact that it was the annual Sabbath of the Passover Festival.

Two Sabbaths that Week
Matthew makes it plain that two Sabbaths had passed since Jesus was crucified. The KJV has this rendering:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Matthew 28:1).​
On this verse nearly all translators have allowed tradition to control their translation. It is not "Sabbath" but "Sabbaths" in the Greek text (the genitive case and the plural number). The verse properly translated would read:

"In the end of the sabbaths . . . ."​
This allows for an annual Sabbath on Thursday and a regular Sabbath on Saturday.

When Jesus was buried near sundown on the day of the Passover,

"Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary"​
watched the burial Matthew 27:58-61. Immediately after the burial, Luke says:

"And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on" (Luke 3:54).​
This Sabbath was an annual Sabbath on Thursday. The day after the annual Sabbath the women bought spices, Mark 16:1. Luke tells us that the women, after preparing the spices on Friday,

" . . . rested the sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23:56).


Either you want to believe or you don't. It's like casting pearls after swine.

 

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i have faith in god;s word, not man,s. and yes, endzone jesus' spirit did separate from his body upon his death. to the eyes of his "earthly' friends, his body appeared but it did not go back to heaven from whickh the "spirit" came.
 

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i have faith in god;s word, not man,s. and yes, endzone jesus' spirit did separate from his body upon his death. to the eyes of his "earthly' friends, his body appeared but it did not go back to heaven from whickh the "spirit" came.

sniper, I am glad you have faith in God's Word, we all should. Remember the KJV was translated from the Greek and Hebrew texts. Scripture was not originally given by God in King James English. So if you truly want to know God's Word, like you say you do, learn some Hebrew and Greek. They will tell you that during the week when Christ died there were two Sabbaths. Not just one. In fact their are two sabbaths in any week when one of God's festivals start.
 

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Didn't Jesus ministere to the Spirits in Haiti when he died?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,

1Pe 3:19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison

1Pe 3:20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

These were the rebellious angels otherwise known as demons. They are not human spirits because the scriptures tell us that mankind are in a sleeplike condition when they die....they know nothing for their consciousness has ceased.

So these spirits are those spirits who are conscious...that can only be the demons who work along with Satan. These were the ones who came down from heaven in the days of Noah and took wives for themselves...they were condemned to dwell in spiritual darkness which is called Tartarus...a prison. 2 Peter 2:4

please explain how you believe that jesus was in the tomb for "three" days. upon reading the gospels in the nt, i only come up with 1 1/2 days (from friday evening before the sabboth until just before dawn of sunday, the day after the sabboth).

friday evening - 1 day
saturday all day - 2 days
sunday dawn - 3 days

he was in the tomb for parts of 3 days....but it was most certainly spread over 3 days.
 

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The relationship between the spirit and the body is an interesting one. When Jesus died on the cross he said, "Father into thy hands I commend my spirit" or something like that. In other words He was giving His spirit into the care of God. But His physical body stayed int he tomb for 3 days. Then His physical body was resurrected and His spirit was in it.

i guess to understand this, you need to understand what the 'spirit' is. The Greek word is pneu′ma (spirit) and comes means “breathe or blow”

While we are alive, we breath...if we have breath we have life. When adam was created, God breathed into his nostrils the 'breath of life' the hebrew word being nesha‧mah′ (Genesis 2:7 'breath') and was used by the Septuagint translators to render nesha‧mah′ as in Acts 17:25 'breath and life'

So our spirit is our life. Its that simple. If our life goes out, our spirit goes out....think of a candle, while it is lit it has life/spirit, but if it is blown out, it is dead.


when Jesus said 'into your hands i commend my spirit' he was saying 'into your hands i commend my life' because Jesus only hope to live again rested with God. We know Jesus body became dead and he was put in a tomb, but later God restored Jesus 'spirit/life' and resurrected him on the 3rd day.

Somehow the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ went from heaven into the little baby that Mary had. Or not? Was Jesus not really Jesus when He was 2, 4, 8, 9, 13, 17 years old? Was the Holy Spirit not with Him then? I think it was? When Jesus was baptized the Holy Spirit came upon Him like a dove. But Jesus did not sin ever in His life. Surely the Spirit was with Him in every day of his life since He was formed in His mother's womb? These are hard things to understand.

What God did was transfered the 'life' of his heavenly son into the womb of Mary. Mary literally did give birth to Jesus in a new body that God had created in mary's womb. The child who grew up was literally Jesus himself and no he didnt have holy spirit upon him back then, that came when he was baptized. But what he did have was a perfect mind in full harmony with Gods mind because, unlike the children of Adam, Jesus was born without sin and imperfection. Jesus was the perfect reflection of his father and this is why he was so remarkable as a young child...he undertsood the deep things of Gods word as a young boy and this made him quite different to any other person.
 

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a spirit is neither concious nor unconcious. when one dies, the nonphysical spirit separates from the physical bodies. the spirit is what god deals with. god has promised me that my spirit shall live forever.

as for your 3 day analogy; jesus died and was placed in the tomb, on friday evening just before the sabboth (which began at sundown on friday thus the beginning of saturday) therefore you cant count friday as a day. he remained there all of the sabbath, which ended at sunset sat evening, thus THE FIRST NIGHT AND THE FIRST DAY. he was found to be gone (risen) just before dawn on sunday (the day after the sabboth) therefore THE SECOND NIGHT. it doesnt even say WHEN he rose, just that he had risen. but we'll just assume that his dead body had been there all of sunday night. (from sunset sat to sunrise sunday) thats 1 1/2 days all total. you cant even count sunday as a whole day. remember, jesus said that he'd be in the ground 3 days and 3 nights, not just 3 days.
 

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I think you're speculating there Pegg. I also will never believe that anyone on this board has all the answers to every question that can be asked. And that includes you my friend.

i guess to understand this, you need to understand what the 'spirit' is. The Greek word is pneu′ma (spirit) and comes means “breathe or blow”

While we are alive, we breath...if we have breath we have life. When adam was created, God breathed into his nostrils the 'breath of life' the hebrew word being nesha‧mah′ (Genesis 2:7 'breath') and was used by the Septuagint translators to render nesha‧mah′ as in Acts 17:25 'breath and life'

So our spirit is our life. Its that simple. If our life goes out, our spirit goes out....think of a candle, while it is lit it has life/spirit, but if it is blown out, it is dead.


when Jesus said 'into your hands i commend my spirit' he was saying 'into your hands i commend my life' because Jesus only hope to live again rested with God. We know Jesus body became dead and he was put in a tomb, but later God restored Jesus 'spirit/life' and resurrected him on the 3rd day.



What God did was transfered the 'life' of his heavenly son into the womb of Mary. Mary literally did give birth to Jesus in a new body that God had created in mary's womb. The child who grew up was literally Jesus himself and no he didnt have holy spirit upon him back then, that came when he was baptized. But what he did have was a perfect mind in full harmony with Gods mind because, unlike the children of Adam, Jesus was born without sin and imperfection. Jesus was the perfect reflection of his father and this is why he was so remarkable as a young child...he undertsood the deep things of Gods word as a young boy and this made him quite different to any other person.

"a spirit is neither concious nor unconcious" Man am I on the right board here? Sniper762 have you been playing too many video games?
 

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I think you're speculating there Pegg. I also will never believe that anyone on this board has all the answers to every question that can be asked. And that includes you my friend.

I dont claim to have all the answers, but surely you dont doubt that the bible has them?

If i cannot backup a statment with scripture, then i dont make the claim. Yet in this instance I am able to provide the scirptures which show that the spirit is in fact the life within us.

Ecclesiates 9:5,10
Psalm 146:4
Ezekeil 18:4 tells us that even the 'soul' dies

You dont have to believe me, but beleive the bible for it is Gods word to us to show us the truth. Many false ideas have crept into christianity and they are not ideas from God but from men.

The Interpreter’s Bible says that “the idea of man as consisting of body and soul which are separated at death is not Hebrew but Greek.” (Vol. II, p. 1015) There is plenty of greek philosophy to be found in christianity and it is in opposition to the truth of Gods word.

The idea that we have an immortal part of us is from false religions, not from the bible and we should be willing to at least research where these ideas come from rather then just accept the idea.
 

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The idea that we have an immortal part of us is from false religions, not from the bible and we should be willing to at least research where these ideas come from rather then just accept the idea.


1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.G110
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 

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1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.G110
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

those verses are quite clear that mankind are 'mortal'

The promise made to jesus apostles was that they would be given something which they never had....immortality. Otherwise, if we always had it then it isnt really a reward is it.

Those who recieve immortality are the ones spoken of in revelation as ruling with Christ in the heavenly kingdom. They are taken from the earth to and recieve immortality. But there are plenty of faithful ones who did not recieve heavenly immortality such as King David whom we are told 'did not ascend to heaven' Acts 2:29, 34 but was still in his tomb.

This is another point that the churchs fail to recognize...that there are two hopes for mankind. The first is to go to heaven to rule with Christ, and the second is to live forever on earth. These are very clear bible teachings but they only seem to focus on the heavenly hope.
 

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You know the verses--to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Also the one that says, "and some of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall arise to be present with the Lord."

That only says Christians will be with our Lord God wherever we are, it has nothing to do with whether we are going to sleep or not. Whether we are going to sleep or not, we will be with our Lord.

That said.

Christians: asleep
Wicked: remain awaken

1 Corinthians 11:30
That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

1 Corinthians 15:6
After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.

1 Corinthians 15:20
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:14
We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

1 Thessalonians 4:15
According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

The wicked won't be able to enter His rest,

Hebrews 3:11
So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'

Hebrews 4:3
Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, "So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.' "

Hebrews 4:5
And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."
 

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Thanks Hawkins, I haven't checked out those versus, but your post is very interesting.

That only says Christians will be with our Lord God wherever we are, it has nothing to do with whether we are going to sleep or not. Whether we are going to sleep or not, we will be with our Lord.

That said.

Christians: asleep
Wicked: remain awaken

1 Corinthians 11:30
That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

1 Corinthians 15:6
After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.

1 Corinthians 15:20
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:14
We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

1 Thessalonians 4:15
According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

The wicked won't be able to enter His rest,

Hebrews 3:11
So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'

Hebrews 4:3
Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, "So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.' "

Hebrews 4:5
And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."
 

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You know the verses--to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Also the one that says, "and some of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall arise to be present with the Lord."

Now, there is this kind of whacy (whacy IMHO) that the body stays in the ground and spirit goes to be with the Lord, and then when the Lord comes back the body is somehow rejoined to the spirit? I think that one is kind of whacky.

But I mean let's say I die this year and Jesus comes back in 4010. Would I even be conscious of that 2000 years of time going by? I mean when you die, you're going to have the best sleep you've ever had in your life aren't you?


This is not hard.

If you believe, your soul goes to heaven to be with God.

If you don't believe, your soul goes to hell. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

Your body is worm food.

People, this is not rocket science. Jesus made it easy. So, easy it's hard. God loves the common man. Read the Bible as it is written.


Now I am not sure what happened to those who were righteous before Jesus?