Not faith alone?

HisLife said:

Common Man, You have admitted that you have done this, If By the Standard you use if it is measured to you you fail by your own standard, Don't you see the hypocrisy of your teaching

Do you understand the difference between Sin And Sins? The Bible Talks of wilful sin One time, What do you think that Sin is?

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The Lord gave me three passages for my restoration....

1) Ezekiel 33:11-20....which creates in me the fear of the LORD so that I will not return to a lifestyle of sinning.

2) Numbers 20...which shows that, Moses, who blundered in that passage, was not allowed to enter the promised land as the result...and yet, at the Mount of transfiguration, we find him in the promised land.

3) Hosea 1:10, which tells me that although I was not one of His people, now I am a child of the living God (according to the literal understanding of 1 John 3:9).

So I do not any longer fall by my own standard. I have now been perfected for ever (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17).

I know that such a thing is offensive to someone who wants to believe that they can continue in a lifestyle of sinning and that they are still "saved by grace". (But grace is the enabling power of the Lord; and in Ephesians 2:1-8 it is clear that those who are saved by grace do not any longer walk according to the dictates of the prince of the power of the air, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind).

Jesus has restored me to a place in Him, where I have repented for the third time in my life and surrendered my besetting sin to Him and laid it at the foot of the Cross.

mailmandan said:

we are saved through faith, not faith "plus love/acts of charity/works."

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This statement is the opposite of what scripture teaches. The scripture says that by diligently adding to our faith (2 Peter 1:5) virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, and love; abounding in these additions, we will not be unfruitful in the knowledge of Christ (Luke 13:7). And by this means we guarantee our election and will never fall from the faith (2 Peter 1:10).

You do greatly err, not knowing the scriptures.

justbyfaith said:

I know that such a thing is offensive to someone who wants to believe that they can continue in a lifestyle of sinning and that they are still "saved by grace". (But grace is the enabling power of the Lord; and in Ephesians 2:1-8 it is clear that those who are saved by grace do not any longer walk according to the dictates of the prince of the power of the air, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind).

Jesus has restored me to a place in Him, where I have repented for the third time in my life and surrendered my besetting sin to Him and laid it at the foot of the Cross.

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Its not offensive it's just hypocrisy and we are warned in Luke 12:1 , by your own admission you fail, you just think you can shift the blame to others or something else instead of taking responsibility

What have you repented of for the third time? What does Hebrews 6:1 mean to you?

You quote a lot of the old testament especially ezekiel 33, Do you think you're of the house of Israel and under the Law?

Michiah-Imla said:

This statement is the opposite of what scripture teaches. The scripture says that by diligently adding to our faith (2 Peter 1:5) virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, and love; abounding in these additions, we will not be unfruitful in the knowledge of Christ (Luke 13:7). And by this means we guarantee our election and will never fall from the faith (2 Peter 1:10).

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By cultivating the qualities listed in 2 Peter 1:5-7, believers can be sure that God has called them and elected them. These fruits will confirm it. Make sure you have been called and elected - bébaios (an adjective, derived from bainō, "to walk where it is solid") – properly, solid (sure) enough to walk on; hence, firm, unshakable; (figuratively) absolutely dependable, giving guaranteed support (security, surety). To practice these qualities gives evidence of salvation, though they are not the basis (or cause) of salvation. They are the effect.

Proverbs 24:16, we read - For a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity.

You do greatly err, not knowing the scriptures.

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Oh the irony.

Michiah-Imla said:

This statement is the opposite of what scripture teaches.

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It's exactly What the scripture says

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

What you posted however is nothing to do with Salvation, Salvation Is through Jesus

theefaith said:

Not saved by faith or faith and works or faith alone! But thru grace!

Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth untorighteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

so it can’t be faith unto salvation???

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I've heard certain people misinterpret Romans 10:9,10 in such a way that means we can believe unto righteousness today, but are still lost until we confess Christ, which may be next week or next month and then we are finally saved next week or next month, but that is not what Paul is talking about here. Also, someone who is moot (unable to speak) would remain lost according to that erroneous interpretation of Romans 10:9,10 for failing to "verbally" confess with their "mouth." Those erroneous arguments would turn confession into a work for salvation.

Confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together. Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (TOGETHER) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9-10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confess/believe; believe/confess.

1 Corinthians 12:3 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing Jesus as Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep, personal conviction that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior. So simply believing in our head (and not in our heart) that God raised Him from the dead does not result in righteousness and simply giving lip service to the words "Jesus is Lord" not by the Holy Spirit is not unto salvation.

theefaith said:

Who are our spiritual fathers?
And superiors?

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in scripture or in our lives now ?

theefaith said:

Faith or faith alone does not equal salvation!

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

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Sure it does. For by grace you “have been” (past tense, with ongoing present results) saved through faith. (Ephesians 2:8) Saved from the PENALTY of sin. (justification) Not by works (Ephesians 2:9) faith alone.

Not to be confused with “receiving the end (future tense) of your faith the salvation of your souls.” (1 Peter 1:9) Saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification) Salvation has 3 tenses that often get confused by works-salvationists.

HisLife said:

What you posted however is nothing to do with Salvation, Salvation Is through Jesus

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So if you do not add to your faith as described in 2 Peter 1:5-10 you’re election (salvation) is still guaranteed despite the scriptures saying the opposite?

What I posted has everything to do with salvation. How can you still be saved after falling away and being negligent in securing your election?

You are given a free entrance into the race to eternal life (not by works). Now you have to run the race that you may obtain the reward of the inheritance (Colossians 3:24; 1 Corinthians 9:24).

HisLife said:

Its not offensive it's just hypocrisy and we are warned in Luke 12:1 , by your own admission you fail, you just think you can shift the blame to others or something else instead of taking responsibility

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In what sense is it hypocrisy? If the Lord has brought me to repentance concerning my former besetting sins, and I commit them no more, how is it hypocrisy to proclaim that He has done this in my life? And how am I shifting blame to anyone else? What am I not taking responsibility for? Sins that have been forgiven through the blood of Christ? Those sins are forgiven because I took responsibility.

HisLife said:

What have you repented of for the third time? What does Hebrews 6:1 mean to you?

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None of your business....that sin is now underneath the blood.

Hebrews 6:1 does not mean to me that we only repent of dead works when we come to Christ...we also repent of our sins...that is a given; and that is a fact.

HisLife said:

You quote a lot of the old testament especially ezekiel 33, Do you think you're of the house of Israel and under the Law?

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I believe that those (Gentiles) who are under the New Covenant are included in the covenant that is given to Israel, in that the law is written on our hearts and in our minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Ephesians 3:6).

1 Corinthians 9:21 would tell us that we are under the law to Christ as believers.

We are not under the law in that there is no longer any condemnation from the law for those who are born again.

We are under the law in that it is written on our hearts and in our minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 5:5) if we are born again under the New Covenant; which is given to Israel (Hebrews 8:8-10) but applies to Gentiles also (Ephesians 3:6).

kcnalp said:

Go ahead and make excuses for calling people "fool". You can't say you weren't warned.

Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

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If what I did was a sin, and it ain’t ......I would do The the same thing with that sin that I do with all my other sins..... I do the same thing with my Sin that God does—— I put it on the Cross! Wanna know what I do next? I thank God for His Grace and then, once again, I do the same thing with it that He does ..... I Forget about it.
Ain’t Grace great! It ain’t “ Fair”...... but it’ IS great!
When Sin abounds in my life, The Grace Of God SUPER ABOUNDS ....I know that puts a knot in your panties, but unfortunately for Modern Day Judaizers , it is Biblical....
Confused, poorly taught people can’t “IMAGINE” a Scenario where God would actually set Believers Free to do what they “ WANT” to do without automatically assuming that all Hell would break loose and all of the “ Free Men in Christ” would go out and set up a new Sodom and Gomorrah——- Head For The Hills , Ma Barker! Lol.....
Here is the Reality.....Knowing I can Sin and “get away with it” as far as Salvation is concerned ....Knowing I can’t be damned for any reason because I REST in the Gospel Of Grace , does exactly the OPPOSITE of what you would “ think” it would do.Because I am a New Creation with a New Heart my “ Freedom” leads to One Thing—-the desire to be a Slave.Christianity sure contains a lot of irony. If you are not a “ New Creation”..... ignore this post......

Michiah-Imla said:

So if you do not add to your faith as described in 2 Peter 1:5-10 you’re election (salvation) is still guaranteed despite the scriptures saying the opposite?

What I posted has everything to do with salvation. How can you still be saved after falling away and being negligent in securing your election?

You are given a free entrance into the race to eternal life (not by works). Now you have to run the race that you may obtain the reward of the inheritance (Colossians 3:24; 1 Corinthians 9:24).

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If you are saved yes of course Because Salvation is of God and was achieved By Jesus, you're not saved by Election but The Elect are Saved there's a difference... What do you think Salvation is.

But the answer to what happens I think you can find The answer is in verse 2 Peter 1:8-9 Hebrews 5:12 , Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

You can stay an imature Baby who needs milk Or you can grow up and become strong, either way your still a child

It depends on your definition of fall away but A child will return or the Shepard will go get them if they go astray, If someones reject Jesus after learning about him they wernt saved in the first place John 6:68

You just made your last sentence up or you have believed a great lie, Free entrance into a race to Eternal Life...you will lose that race your not fast enough

James 4:14 whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away.

justbyfaith said:

In what sense is it hypocrisy? If the Lord has brought me to repentance concerning my former besetting sins, and I commit them no more, how is it hypocrisy to proclaim that He has done this in my life? And how am I shifting blame to anyone else? What am I not taking responsibility for? Sins that have been forgiven through the blood of Christ? Those sins are forgiven because I took responsibility.

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Because you are still doing them and will do them again....But you come up with your own anti-biblical definition of types of sins, Any sin deserves death And there is only one solution, God Is Holy

justbyfaith said:

None of your business....that sin is now underneath the blood

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That's fine I wasn't looking so low to your definition of your personal Sins but only 3 aye wow, Jesus Died for your sins if you believe on him you can have eternal life, I was making sure you didn't mean Saving Repentance which is turning to Jesus as you quote Hebrews 10:26 so often even tho you do apply that verse to your personal sins

would tell us that we are under the law to Christ as believers. We are not under the law in that there is no longer any condemnation from the law for those who are born again. We are under the law in that it is written on our hearts and in our minds [/QUOTE said:

Just so I can Be sure Of what you mean? What law do you think you are still under

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Blood Bought 1953 said:

If what I did was a sin, and it ain’t ......I would do The the same thing with that sin that I do with all my other sins..... I do the same thing with my Sin that God does—— I put it on the Cross! Wanna know what I do next? I thank God for His Grace and then, once again, I do the same thing with it that He does ..... I Forget about it.
Ain’t Grace great! It ain’t “ Fair”...... but it’ IS great!
When Sin abounds in my life, The Grace Of God SUPER ABOUNDS ....I know that puts a knot in your panties, but unfortunately for Modern Day Judaizers , it is Biblical....
Confused, poorly taught people can’t “IMAGINE” a Scenario where God would actually set Believers Free to do what they “ WANT” to do without automatically assuming that all Hell would break loose and all of the “ Free Men in Christ” would go out and set up a new Sodom and Gomorrah——- Head For The Hills , Ma Barker! Lol.....
Here is the Reality.....Knowing I can Sin and “get away with it” as far as Salvation is concerned ....Knowing I can’t be damned for any reason because I REST in the Gospel Of Grace , does exactly the OPPOSITE of what you would “ think” it would do.Because I am a New Creation with a New Heart my “ Freedom” leads to One Thing—-the desire to be a Slave.Christianity sure contains a lot of irony. If you are not a “ New Creation”..... ignore this post......

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Well, if Jesus is wrong you'll be fine.
Matthew 5:22 (NKJV)
22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

I know that puts a knot in your panties,

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You need to stop talking about what is in men's "panties", Chester...

Blood Bought 1953 said:

If what I did was a sin, and it ain’t

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If you won't admit that you've sinned concerning sins that you've committed, you won't be forgiven and cleansed (1 John 1:7-9).

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Here is the Reality.....Knowing I can Sin and “get away with it” as far as Salvation is concerned

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Psa 10:13, Wherefore doth the wicked contemn God? he hath said in his heart, Thou wilt not require it.

HisLife said:

Because you are still doing them and will do them again...

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Simply not true...although that may be your wish concerning me. God will not hear the prayers of those who regard iniquity in their hearts (Psalms 66:18)...so I am not going to return to my former lifestyle even if you were to pray fervently that I would...

But I will let you know.

If I do fall, I will be the first one to admit it publicly.

There are a few verses that tell me that I don't have to fall (Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10)...three in particular...and the third time it shall do double damage (Ezekiel 21:14).

HisLife said:

Jesus Died for your sins if you believe on him you can have eternal life,

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Right...He died to save us from our sins (Matthew 1:21)...not just their penalty...the sins themselves...