What Is A Denominational Church?
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No, they were all the same on one accord.............. through time men split it all up.
My thought is because of lack of faith and love.
The early church operated in Healing miracles, and the Gifts of the Spirit.
Today, men claim that is all passed away. So they will never come in line with the early chruch.
Then we have folks get made over things like saving someone in the name of Jesus or saving someone in the name of the Father, son and Holy Ghost..................... time to split, though both sides believe in Healing.
So the Churches that Paul was involved in had the same mind and belief systems, but we do see even back then you had to keep a eye on certain groups causing a split..............
I am sure others will have some good input and different views on this......
Jesus Is Lord.
My thought is because of lack of faith and love.
The early church operated in Healing miracles, and the Gifts of the Spirit.
Today, men claim that is all passed away. So they will never come in line with the early chruch.
Then we have folks get made over things like saving someone in the name of Jesus or saving someone in the name of the Father, son and Holy Ghost..................... time to split, though both sides believe in Healing.
So the Churches that Paul was involved in had the same mind and belief systems, but we do see even back then you had to keep a eye on certain groups causing a split..............
I am sure others will have some good input and different views on this......
Jesus Is Lord.
Well simply put the word denomination is defined as a religious division and the problem is that you have well over 100 divisions that teach something other than whats in the word. The bible makes a clear stance against those who seek division rather than unity in christ and in gods word.
Romans 16:17
Galatians 1:8
2nd Thessalonians 3:14
2nd John 3:10
I think the sciptures speak for themselves if anyone is preaching something other than gods word dont have anything to do with them this includes denominational churches that cause division.
Romans 16:17
Galatians 1:8
2nd Thessalonians 3:14
2nd John 3:10
I think the sciptures speak for themselves if anyone is preaching something other than gods word dont have anything to do with them this includes denominational churches that cause division.
Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Luk 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
Luk 12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Sorry gumby
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This verse comes to mind Isaiah 1:13
Isaiah 1:13 ESV Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations-- I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.
But fellowshiping in spirit is what Paul is referring to in Hebrews 10:25
Hebrews 10:24-25 ESV And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, (25) not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
To me, I think if it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable then there's nothing wrong in having assemblies, even if you just get entertained by what they say or do. If it makes you happy then there's nothing wrong.
Isaiah 1:11 ESV "What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the LORD; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.
Isaiah 1:17 ESV learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.
Isaiah 1:23 ESV Your princes are rebels and companions of thieves. Everyone loves a bribe and runs after gifts. They do not bring justice to the fatherless, and the widow's cause does not come to them.
Ephesians 3:17 ESV so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith--that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
Ephesians 3:18 ESV may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth,
Ephesians 3:19 ESV and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Learn to trust your instincts.
Matthew 13:11 ESV And he answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
John 3:29 ESV The one who has the bride is the bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly at the bridegroom's voice. Therefore this joy of mine is now complete.
John 3:30 ESV He must increase, but I must decrease."
May the force be with you.
Luke 7:23 ESV And blessed is the one who is not offended by me."
Isaiah 1:13 ESV Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations-- I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.
But fellowshiping in spirit is what Paul is referring to in Hebrews 10:25
Hebrews 10:24-25 ESV And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, (25) not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
To me, I think if it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable then there's nothing wrong in having assemblies, even if you just get entertained by what they say or do. If it makes you happy then there's nothing wrong.
Isaiah 1:11 ESV "What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the LORD; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.
Isaiah 1:17 ESV learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.
Isaiah 1:23 ESV Your princes are rebels and companions of thieves. Everyone loves a bribe and runs after gifts. They do not bring justice to the fatherless, and the widow's cause does not come to them.
Ephesians 3:17 ESV so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith--that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
Ephesians 3:18 ESV may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth,
Ephesians 3:19 ESV and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Learn to trust your instincts.
Matthew 13:11 ESV And he answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
John 3:29 ESV The one who has the bride is the bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly at the bridegroom's voice. Therefore this joy of mine is now complete.
John 3:30 ESV He must increase, but I must decrease."
May the force be with you.
Luke 7:23 ESV And blessed is the one who is not offended by me."
What jesus is speaking of is the members of your own household. Now lets say a was raised by my family to be buddhist and at age say 16 or 17 when i get to be an adult i reject buddhism thats an example of division or where people beleive fly away theories such as rapture and easter that also is a man made lie that causes division. What the verses are saying is always be on the lookout for the children of satan that they could be even in your own family thus causing a division.
Luke 12:49
Luke 12:50
Luke 12:51
Luke 12:52
Luke 12:53
Matthew 10:34
Matthew 10:35
Matthew 10:36
and this goes back to the old testament as well in Micah 7:6. Division among christian against non christian christ came to bring but against beleivers in the body of christ no. Ask yourself this though if christ came to bring division among the body of christ then why would there be need for a body of christ. The answer is that satan and his demons are the one responsable for bringing division within the body of christ. Satan works through mans pride and little false traditions.
There is great division in the church right now because men want to teach their doctrine and tradition instead of teaching the Word of God chapter by chapter, line by line. That division is far worse now than ever just like Gods Word said it would be. It is Christian against Christian, they are family, right?
The answer is this. They claim to be christian they claim to be your brother or sister in christ but through there fruit and through what they teach which is traditions of men and empty chatter they reveal themselves as truly children of the devil.
2nd Timothy 3:13 these are supposed christians that are right in the center of our own churches they spread there empty chatter through the worlds lies but they themselves are deceived
2nd Timothy 2:16 avoid empty chatter
2nd Timothy 2:17 there lies continue to spread
2nd Timothy 2:18
Matthew 24:5 many will come in the name of christ some even claiming to be christ but the fact remains by there unsound doctrine they are children of the devil
Matthew 24:24 false christs and false prophets will come and deceive many. Take a look at what your pasors preaching is it from god or from man?
Mark 13:6 there again many supposed christians will come in the name of christ but will deceive many through there rotten fruit that they supposidly call doctrine of all the religious leaders
Luke 21:8 there again many will come in christ name claiming to be christians there going to jump on there rapture wagon and try to rapture you and most likley me out of here before its to late. The bible says clearly dont follow them, ignore them at all costs
on my last note i want to clearly say that people who dont teach direcly from the word and who value there fairytales and traditions over what the word of god says are not christians by any stretch of the imagination. Until they repent and beg for forgivness of god and until they stop teaching lies and worldy chatter they are children of the devil.
We are close but I look at the ten virgins, all were virgins (ie. Christian) some just didn't have oil. The five were even virgins when they came to the dinner late but they didn't get in. Christians in division just like on this board. Of course there are imposters on this board also.
Everyone, we will be held accountable for what we teach if our teaching leads someone astray. That will include management for allowing false doctrine being taught.
There was no division here Brother JerryJohnson..........
Everyone was just giving what they had............... YOU were the first to flag somthing you did not like.......Like Gumby's post??
So, where does this division start Brother JerryJohnson? Would that be with you?
What the Jiggyflysaid:............ keep it in mind.........
Mike.
Everyone was just giving what they had............... YOU were the first to flag somthing you did not like.......Like Gumby's post??
So, where does this division start Brother JerryJohnson? Would that be with you?
What the Jiggyflysaid:............ keep it in mind.........
Mike.
Truth will always bring division. I am here to bring truth!
That's pretty Good...............!!!! I can't beat that one............
Tallman:
ummm.........Why put it that way????? but after reading over the thread again, it seem to be apparently so........
Jesus Is Lord.
The apostle Paul sent a letter to the Body members in Galatia. He spends the first few chapters empasizing his office as God's mouthpiece and prophetic apostle to the Gentile nations. He sets himself in contrast to Peter and the other apostles of the Jewish believers at length. He vigorously defends his position and right to have our sole attention in matters of doctrine and faith.
The apostasy of the "church" began even in his own time, with all asia turning against him 2Ti 1:15 . This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
Just a few sentence prior to that, he admonished Timothy to maintain a pattern of sound words, the words that Paul used to teach and instruct others with, as the only Apostle to the Gentiles.
Apostasy for the Jewish believers was turning away from the Law, and not observing its rites.
Ac 21:20 and they having heard, were glorifying the Lord. They said also to him, 'Thou seest, brother, how many myriads there are of Jews who have believed, and all are zealous of the law, Ac 21:21 and they are instructed concerning thee, that apostasy from Moses thou dost teach to all Jews among the nations, saying-Not to circumcise the children, nor after the customs to walk; YLT
2Th 2:3 . Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
The inconsistency of 2Thess 2:3 being rendered apostasy from the Greek apostasia is typical of the KJV and all Latin derivatives of the Jerome's work. In any case, the point is that whoever will teach Christian doctrine is obligated to prefer Paul's teachings concurrent with the Lord's words and works. Peter, James and the others will one day see their letters mean an awful lot to many Jews during the time of Jacob's Troubles and the tribulation period.
Those who mix the Lord's teachings to His Jewish disciples exclusive of Paul's are fallen from grace and no longer hold to the Head of the Body, but the mongrel of Jewish and Gentile heresies known today as denominationalism. This too, is the will of God, to exercise the called-out ones in seeking truth at all costs to themselves.
fivesense
Fivesense:
very interesting post....................
While getting beat up on my defense of a rapture today. I thought of Peter's letter.............. The trying of your faith more precious than Gold. Which ends with the appearing of Jesus............. I had always thought this was to the Jews for the end times. I never felt it was for the Church. Now you bring it up here.............
Could you explain this a little bit more? Are you saying that certain books were not for us at all, or parts of the books.
Be blessed.
Jesus Is Lord.
very interesting post....................
While getting beat up on my defense of a rapture today. I thought of Peter's letter.............. The trying of your faith more precious than Gold. Which ends with the appearing of Jesus............. I had always thought this was to the Jews for the end times. I never felt it was for the Church. Now you bring it up here.............
Could you explain this a little bit more? Are you saying that certain books were not for us at all, or parts of the books.
Be blessed.
Jesus Is Lord.
Blessed brother Mike, firstly, I want to thank you for all your postings. Much of what you offer turns into quiet time with the Lord in thankgiving and worship. Sometimes I must donn the Berean headgear. In all, you are complex and a wonder and I am grateful to have connected on this site with you.
We must believe God. I repeat that like a mantra, since it is very difficult for me to do. I do not trust my own thoughts, much less the thoughts of others. If anyone's thoughts, even my own, are at variance with God's written word and will, then I am wrong and need adjusting. It is not an issue to me, adjusting my thinking. Til Christ, thinking got me into an awful lot of trouble. Today He is my insurance and trust.
All scripture is God breathed, and beneficial for instruction, teaching, exposure, correction in discipline in righteousness.
The divisions in the Scriptures given to us from God are devised by men to aid in learning. They are not inspired in their makeup.
I believe the Hebrew writings start from Genesis and end, historically, with the Acts period, and the record of the activities of the twelve apostles of the Lord.
If one was to remove Paul's prophetic writings from "the Book" it would remain exclusively "Hebrew", with no mention of us anywhere, except as servants and helpers, never equals.
The list of topics concerning faith, hope and expectation in a heavenly realm with Christ is non-existent in the Hebrew letters of Peter, James and the others.
So is salvation by faith alone.
There are many, many Pauline doctrines that do not exist in the Jewish epistles.
They are for us to read, learn, and adjust our thinking to have the mind of Christ, but they are for Jews, not Gentiles. They will come into usefulness once more, especially John's letters, when the tribulation of the saints of Israel comes.
I will say again, as a letter addressed to my daughter may come to my home, I have to acknowledge whose name is on the envelope. If it is not addressed to me, I may not open it, even though we share the same home and address. Likewise for my daughter, it may be her home, but my mail is my mail. The Holy Scriptures were written and recorded for us, but not all is "to"us.
We may share the "OT" with Israel, and the so-called New Testament may have portions directed to them that they are blinded and stubborn to at this time in God's operations, but it is Paul alone who has the truth for today. Except the Jew turn to the evangel Paul preached, where Jew and Gentile alike are on the same plane, there is no salvation for them til the Day of the Lord.
fivesense
Glory to God!!!! God bless you!!!
Thank you Fivesense. I don't need lifted up, but you really encouraged me.
I agree all scripture is for our correction.......................
But I have to agree with your first statement. There are things just Written to the Jews, and pertain to them.
During the Last days, Many Jews will see that what they have ignored will save them............. I fully believe that, as they will see themselves in the scripture of the NT, and come to fully know Jesus As Lord.
You and your family be blessed in all you do.
Jesus is Lord.
Thank you Fivesense. I don't need lifted up, but you really encouraged me.
I agree all scripture is for our correction.......................
But I have to agree with your first statement. There are things just Written to the Jews, and pertain to them.
During the Last days, Many Jews will see that what they have ignored will save them............. I fully believe that, as they will see themselves in the scripture of the NT, and come to fully know Jesus As Lord.
You and your family be blessed in all you do.
Jesus is Lord.
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