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@Heart2Soul On the subject of tribulations, the Lord Jesus said: "In the world ye shall have tribulation; but be of good cheer: I have overcome the world." (John 16.33)
Ziggy
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I think she means,
God is in control no need to question why... anything.
In times of loss or something that happens, we say why God? Why did this happen?
And she says that we are not to question why.
And I didn't really understand until I wrote that post a while ago,
that what she was probably trying to say is.. Don't Judge God.
Don't accuse him. Don't feel that because something happens that God causes it.
A lot of times we put ourselves in bad situations and when something happens
it's just easier to blame God then oneself.
I believe that's what she is trying to say... in so many words.. much less than mine.. but still the same.
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Yeah I bet he has a lot of hedge trimmers working for him.Yes as we all already know,.. Satan's biggest weakness is landscaping.
I am re reading job as it’s been interesting reading the posts here.......something I had not considered before , in the attacks on Job there are two that involved weather. The fire from God I presume is lightning and the second involving a hurricane. We know from the beginning that The Lord gave satan permission to ‘ test ‘ him. So does that mean that Satan can control the natural elements ?
I have always considered that hurricanes/ lightning ect were natural reactions or were within Gods control ( as with the flood and the dynamics of what happened when Jesus was on the cross ) I have never considered that they may be within Satan’s power to control and create.
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I have always considered that hurricanes/ lightning ect were natural reactions or were within Gods control ( as with the flood and the dynamics of what happened when Jesus was on the cross ) I have never considered that they may be within Satan’s power to control and create.
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That made me think of:
Luk 8:22 Now it came to pass on a certain day, that he went into a ship with his disciples: and he said unto them, Let us go over unto the other side of the lake. And they launched forth.
Luk 8:23 But as they sailed he fell asleep: and there came down a storm of wind on the lake; and they were filled with water, and were in jeopardy.
Luk 8:24 And they came to him, and awoke him, saying, Master, master, we perish. Then he arose, and rebuked the wind and the raging of the water: and they ceased, and there was a calm.
Luk 8:25 And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.
Something about the rebuking of the wind and raging water.
He rebuked them.
and they ceased, and there was a calm.
Rebuked: epitimaō
to tax with fault, rate, chide, rebuke, reprove, censure severely
to admonish or charge sharply
The taming..
Mar 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Mar 5:3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
Mar 5:4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
So this is where Jesus tells the devils to go jump in the lake. And the people are all like what!!??
and then:
Mar 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
It's the tempest in the storm. The agitator. Jesus was able to turn turmoil into peace.
Is the devil able to cause the turmoil in the wind?
I started a thread about people's emotions having effects on the earth. Some say no, I say could be.
Now when this storm comes.. Jesus is sleeping.
Funny how it says on a "certain day" and Jesus was sleeping... And God rested on the Sabbath day.
And while he was sleeping, someone or something was stirring up trouble.
I wonder what day it was for Job that the whirlwind came and caused great destruction.
Interesting...
just thimking..
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You're not really missing anything. You just havent put it all together yet. Your last sentence begins to put it together.
You are saved by the kindness of God, THROUGH trust. (By grace, through faith the verse says.) So if you are saved through trust, how precious IS that trust? Its precious to you because it's what God saves you by. And your trust is precious to God because He is not willing that you die.
So when you say your faith grew through the struggle, this is saying: I learned the obedience of trust through what I suffered.
So you see that Gods goal was to grow your trust (faith) in Him, since it is what He saves you by.
It's so strange that He let's satan sift us, but His goal is to move us from faith to faith, a little more trust here, then there, then there, until anything and everything that is not trust in Him alone is sifted out of us.
Murmuring and complaining about why He allowed this or that to happen is the wrong direction. It is the opposite of trust. True trust wouldnt question, and yet that is what happens as He begins to test our trust.
In the OT, it says: He let them become very thirsty in the desert to see what they would do. And what did they do? They said, Hes brought us here just to let us die of thirst. But no, He let them become thirsty to try to test and grow their trust, because men are saved through trust(faith) in Him.
So why does God let hard things come to us? Why does He let satan sift men? To grow very strong and unshakable the thing by which He saves them - trust.
And you yourself have seen it, because you said, I discovered it wasnt His fault and my trust grew through the struggle and what i suffered. So praise is in order there and thankfulness that He would do that for you, grow your trust to keep you safe.
I don't think our emotions has any affect on the earth. There are millions of people around the world who are all experiencing some kind of emotion...some happy...some sad..etc.
God sends storms...like in the case of Jonah....and he also allows Satan to create disasters....such as in Job's case.
But ultimately God is in control and Satan can't do anything that God hasn't allowed him to do.
Yes. And if God allows him to do anything, satan means it for evil but God means it for good, and the light shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot understand the light or overcome the light.
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Yes, amazing words. Agree so I’m not disagreeing but I have some questions. One is ‘For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:’"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me." (Job 19.25-27)
Amazing words!
Job saw His redeemer Lives Which is Christ.
‘26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me." (Job 19.25-27)’
Job 42:5-6 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. [6] Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
^what is ‘dust and ashes’ is not in the flesh?
3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
1 John 4:12-16 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. [13] Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. [14] And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. [15] Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. [16] And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
3 John 1:10-13 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church. [11] Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. [12] Demetrius hath good report of all men, and of the truth itself: yea, and we also bear record; and ye know that our record is true. [13] I had many things to write, but I will not with ink and pen write unto thee: 2 Corinthians 3:2-6
Only questions...any input on Job 42:5-6 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Waiting on him
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Read the 22 psalm and Job 19 and then maybe you’ll know how it was that Job saw Jesus.
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The whole account of Job his friends are saying where did Job fail where did he go wrong, has to be on his part, the answer all along is his failure was in looking to the flesh.
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concerning: Job 19:26-27 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: [27] Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.
have to remember: Hebrews 10:5-7 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: [6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. [7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Exodus 16:20-24 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them. [21] And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted. [22] And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man : and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. [23] And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord : bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. [24] And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
John 11:39-44 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. [40] Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? [41] Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. [42] And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. [43] And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. [44] And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
realize there are so many different perspectives on the worm ...cankerworm?Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
Even in Jonah ‘a worm is prepared’ which consumes that which was shading his head from the heat of the sun...in Acts Why do worms eat before death?...Acts 12:21-24 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. [22] And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man. [23] And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost. [24] But the word of God grew and multiplied.
Job 19:28-29 But ye should say, Why persecute we him, seeing the root of the matter is found in me? [29] Be ye afraid of the sword: for wrath bringeth the punishments of the sword, that ye may know there is a judgment.
Romans 13:4-5 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. [5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
have to remember: Hebrews 10:5-7 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: [6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. [7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Exodus 16:20-24 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them. [21] And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted. [22] And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man : and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. [23] And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord : bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. [24] And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
John 11:39-44 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. [40] Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? [41] Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. [42] And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. [43] And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. [44] And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
realize there are so many different perspectives on the worm ...cankerworm?Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
Even in Jonah ‘a worm is prepared’ which consumes that which was shading his head from the heat of the sun...in Acts Why do worms eat before death?...Acts 12:21-24 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. [22] And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man. [23] And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost. [24] But the word of God grew and multiplied.
Job 19:28-29 But ye should say, Why persecute we him, seeing the root of the matter is found in me? [29] Be ye afraid of the sword: for wrath bringeth the punishments of the sword, that ye may know there is a judgment.
Romans 13:4-5 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. [5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Ziggy
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I watched a video of a lot of people standing on a hillside. There was a tornado coming, closer and closer, and..
They were all shouting and praying and yelling "IN THE NAME OF JESUS!! " for about 5 minutes.
And the closer it came, the louder they shouted. And just as it was about to hit this town.. it was gone.
If the people didn't care about the town, or they hadn't been praying and shouting.. would the town still be there?
I don't know.
And I don't think they want to find out either..
just saying.. If faith can move mountains, why not tornadoes too?
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His body saw no corruption. Four days dead yet no corruption.
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Acts 13:29-37 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. [30] But God raised him from the dead: [31] And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. [32] And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, [33] God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. [34] And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. [35] Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. [36] For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: [37] But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Wait..what? You were talking about faith...I thought you were asking if emotions can effect the earth...lol.I watched a video of a lot of people standing on a hillside. There was a tornado coming, closer and closer, and..
They were all shouting and praying and yelling "IN THE NAME OF JESUS!! " for about 5 minutes.
And the closer it came, the louder they shouted. And just as it was about to hit this town.. it was gone.
If the people didn't care about the town, or they hadn't been praying and shouting.. would the town still be there?
I don't know.
And I don't think they want to find out either..
just saying.. If faith can move mountains, why not tornadoes too?
HUGS
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