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World Falls For Isreal's Enemy's Deceit Again
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CZs who talk about the right of Israel to defend itself are liars. They really believe in the genocide of the Arab race. This is why you refuse to answer my question, but instead tried to divert to Israeli propaganda. The Devil's children killed more people on one raid of an unarmed humanitarian boat than all of the "thousands" of Hamas rockets launched into Israel.
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There were plenty of armed people on this so called humanitarian aid ship. There are plenty of news stories about this.
As far as the peace process is concerned, God has already pronounced a solution. Its a One State solution. Read all about it in Psalm 83. The Edomites days are numbered.
The video footage is my personal favorite. Yea unarmed humanitarians. :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16sANhzjcC0
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3f9_1275538455
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
Genesis 12:3 " I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
*Its pretty obvious what God means when He says I will curse you and bless you.*
No CZ supporter of Israel believes in a peace process. All their talk of a "peace process" and Israeli self-defense is lie. This you have agreed is correct. Congratulations for confessing more than most CZs: One state (covering the whole middle-east), over the dead bodies of the Arabs (who you strangely call Edomites).
If Christian Zionists were honest, instead of saying Israel needs to occupy land for self-defense, they would openly say the land belongs to Israel. Instead of saying Israel raided the unarmed humanitarian boats in self-defense, they would say Israel wants to stop people from helping preserve the Palestinian people. Instead of talking about the peace process, they would talk about the genocide process and how to accomplish it in a world that won't stand for genocide.
In this video, I see armed men invading a boat and people resisting with plastic deck chairs and tubes that were part of the ship, neither of which are capable of doing much damage against armored commandos. Several boats, hundreds of people, and nothing more deadly than a dinner knife found among them (Israelis may have collected knives from the galley). Nothing to justify lethal force. If Israel weren't incompetent or wanting to murder people, they should have been prepared to deal with such resistance without lethal force. The commandos shouldn't have raided the boat in the first place because they already knew it had no weapons for Hamas (gutting the self-defense excuse for the raid). Why are you trying to play up the self-defense argument after you just admitted that support for Israeli aggression is not about self-defense?
BTW, these videos are heavily edited by Israel to try to minimize how bad it makes Israel look.
Jesus disagrees with how you interpret this (Read John 8). Even you disagree with yourself (Arabs and Edomites are of the house of Abraham, yet you don't want to bless them). An apparent curse for supporting Israel, 9/11 and every Arab entanglement is a result of our support of Israel. You impressed me with your answer to my previous question. So, answer this: How is America blessed for supporting Israel? I am sure you will dodge this question just like pastorlesofm dodged my previous question (even though I gave him plenty of warning that he would. He couldn't help himself).
There were plenty of armed people on this so called humanitarian aid ship. There are plenty of news stories about this.
As far as the peace process is concerned, God has already pronounced a solution. Its a One State solution. Read all about it in Psalm 83. The Edomites days are numbered.
The video footage is my personal favorite. Yea unarmed humanitarians.
http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=16sANhzjcC0
http://www.liveleak....=3f9_1275538455
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=b3L7OV414Kk
Genesis 12:3 " I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
*Its pretty obvious what God means when He says I will curse you and bless you.*
Thank you for posting those videos. They show a whole different story from what is being displayed by the lamestream media (mainstream) and the world taking the propaganda of the passengers and crew of the fotilla. The videos show the definite purpose of the fortilla, to cause just what the result was, Isreal's rightful defense of it's people. Isreal did offer to deliver the humanitarim to the Gaza, but the Hezbolah refused delivery. Just reinforceing the real purpose of the fortilla to cause trouble , knowing the world would buy their accusations. I wonder if this situation was on the shores of a US coast or Europen coast, how their navys would have responded, or Isreal sent a fortilla to Turkey, and Turkey defense did the samething as Isreal. I dare say it would not recieve the same condemnation of the world. We would see defiffinate bias toward Isreal as we witness now. After all it is Isreal, God's choosen people.
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There is a clear line of demarcation between the sons of Jacob and the sons of Esau. Maybe you should read up on that story and what happened there. And what God had to say about that split. The judgment on Edom and the Edomites has already been handed down by God. The Edmoites have done great heart to the Jews, to the sons of Jacob, throughout history. America has done much to harm Israel. From the Oslo Accords, to the Road Map to Peace and to forcing the Gaza Withdrawal, I imagine its quite possible that God has been taking His hand of protection away from America a bit. You can't serve to masters and that's what America has been doing with its marriage to Arab oil. I believe America has been blessed for many years with unprecedented economic wealth and power while it was a staunch supporter of Israel. And I can see things getting worse for America as it radically changes its foreign policy towards Israel. I don't dodge any questions son.
Btw, my ONE STATE remark did not identify that the entire Middle East will become Israel's territory. If you study Psalm 83, you will find that all the surrounding Muslim nations will soon make a fatal move against Israel. They will come to wipe Israel off the map and will be dealt a devastating defeat. Israel will expand its borders and probably accumulate great wealth from that victory. How much the border will be expanded is unknown. But something will certainly trigger this war. And its quite possible that this war could produce the complete destruction of Damascus, as prophesied in Isaiah 17. God will not give the Jews victory or defend them because they deserve it. But He will do it because His name is on the original contract with Abraham. He promised that when they were regathered and made a great nation again, that they would stand. Btw, why do you root for Israel's demise and for attacks on Jews? And yes that's exactly the vibe I get from your posts. Its evident that you have bitter feelings and contempt towards Israel and the Jews.
Pastorlesofm I'm glad you reminded people that the IDF offered to deliver teh humanitarian aid. Most people on this planet are completely unaware that Israel will allow aid ships through the blockade AS LONG AS they can search the ships. Far too many people don't understand that Hamas is still a terror group and is always attempting to smuggle arms in.
Arabs aren't sons of Esau, but they are sons of Abraham.
Then maybe the US should cease involving itself with Israel. NO, you say, because you are being insincere about America being harmful to Israel. Your real gripe is that the US hasn't been more slavish to Israel. How dare there be even one American in the world not bleeding in the sand of the middle-east as long as there is one Arab still alive.
What? America gets no credit from God for the billions of dollars we pay in annual homage to Israel? America gets no credit for the thousands of Americans dead in Iraq so there will be one less Arab leader pointing missiles at Israel? America gets no credit for trying to incite war against Iran under the false pretext of fighting nuclear proliferation so that there will be one less Holocaust skeptic in the world? What great evil has America done to Israel that undoes all this?
As one of Americas great sins against Israel, you identify Israel's pull out of Gaza. We didn't' twist Israel's arm. What's more, Israel didn't do it for peace. Israel just wanted to transfer Israeli citizens to other occupied land to use more brutal tactics against the Palestinians without Israeli citizens getting in the way. You should be proud of America's pro-Jewish duplicity on this count.
Our economic power and wealth stems from a time before America gave one penny of support to the state of Israel. The cost to our pocketbooks and souls for supporting Israel has caused our economic wealth and power to decline. America is a stronger supporter of Israel today than ever in the past.
We have more troops in the middle east today than ever before in history, all as a result of our support for Israel. We give more money money to Israel today than ever before. We stick to Israel's side more faithfully than any other country in the world. You're dodging the question because you claims are blatant nonsense. We're even replacing the last Protestant (in this Protestant nation) on the Supreme Court with yet another Jew.
Psalm 83 is a prayer, not a prophesy. I hardly think the Psalmist was praying for Talmudists in the 21st century.
Isaiah 17 prophesies the destruction if Israel (v4), along with Damascus. Likely for the Israelis, they are not Israel.
Israelis are not Jews. I am a Jew. Abraham's promise belongs to me, not them. I don't root for Israel's demise. I root from them to stop being enemies of America, of the world, and of Christ.
Israel didn't give this flotilla the option of just being searched while on way to Gaza. There also was no point in searching it because Israel already knew there were no weapons on board. The boats had already been inspected and while there may have been some troublemakers on board, the majority of people were peaceful protesters who would not have been part of an arms delivery.
Israel's original plan to to not let any high profile boat through, to confiscate the aid (delivering of only fraction of it, and that in a damaged condition), and to imprison the protesters (a decision reversed because of global outrage at Israel) .
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The fulfillment of Joel’s prophecies came upon the nations of Tyre, Philistia, and Edom a very long time ago Joel 3:4, 19
And further fulfillments were explained by the apostle Peter at Pentecost 33 C.E. when he showed that the outpouring of God’s spirit upon the disciples of Jesus Christ was a fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy see Joel 2:28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and also Acts 2:17, 18, 19, 20, 21
Again later, the apostle Paul applied Joels words at Joel 2:32 to Jews and non-Jews in relation to their new found faith in Jesus at Romans 10:12, 13
So, i dont find any reason why the fulfillment is to be found in the literal nation of isreal today. These fulfillments are spiritual in nature and do NOT have to do with natural Jews. Jesus explained that God will choose for himself a 'new nation' at Matthew 21:43 as a warning to the unbelieving jews that if they rejected Gods Messiah, they would no longer be the chosen nation. And Paul uses one of Isaiahs prophecies about the Jewish nation to show that not many of them would be saved...only a remnant would become part of the new nation at Romans 9:27
People have to stop looking at Isreal as the chosen ones. They lost that privelege when God chose to pour out his holy spirit upon the christians. They are a new nation...they are the ones who have been chosen to be a people for Gods name as mentioned at Ac 15:14 and 1Peter 2:10
Any unfulfilled prophecies in the bible now concern this new chosen nation...not natural isreal.
The fulfillment of Joel’s prophecies came upon the nations of Tyre, Philistia, and Edom a very long time ago Joel 3:4, 19
And further fulfillments were explained by the apostle Peter at Pentecost 33 C.E. when he showed that the outpouring of God’s spirit upon the disciples of Jesus Christ was a fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy see Joel 2:28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and also Acts 2:17, 18, 19, 20, 21
Again later, the apostle Paul applied Joels words at Joel 2:32 to Jews and non-Jews in relation to their new found faith in Jesus at Romans 10:12, 13
So, i dont find any reason why the fulfillment is to be found in the literal nation of isreal today. These fulfillments are spiritual in nature and do NOT have to do with natural Jews. Jesus explained that God will choose for himself a 'new nation' at Matthew 21:43 as a warning to the unbelieving jews that if they rejected Gods Messiah, they would no longer be the chosen nation. And Paul uses one of Isaiahs prophecies about the Jewish nation to show that not many of them would be saved...only a remnant would become part of the new nation at Romans 9:27
People have to stop looking at Isreal as the chosen ones. They lost that privelege when God chose to pour out his holy spirit upon the christians. They are a new nation...they are the ones who have been chosen to be a people for Gods name as mentioned at Ac 15:14 and 1Peter 2:10
Any unfulfilled prophecies in the bible now concern this new chosen nation...not natural isreal.
Pegg what would your resolution be for Israel if it were up to you and ending the strife in the Middle East? What should be the future for Israel? Would you agree with former White House reporter, Helen Thomas? She said the Jews should get out of Israel, go back to what she thinks is their home, Germany, Poland, even the United States. God gave the Promised Land to the Israelites, no one else. When Jesus the Jewish Carpenter ,returns He will reign in Jerusalem from King David's Throne after He rescues Israel from the armies that come against Israel. The Israelites have been separated from the rest of the world , as they are the Choosen of God, the Apple of His Eye. I read the Scriptures you quote and I do not come up with the same conclusions. Before I begin to read I call on the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to me. I know when it is the Holy Spirit guiding me when peace enters into my heart after reading God's Word. I ask the questions I ask out of nothing short of the Love of God. I'm glad you have joined CB. Love You in Jesus Name.
my own personal feelings on the situation there is this. Isreal want to come back to their ancestral homeland and there is nothing wrong with that at all. Unfortunately, they have returned to a land that has been governed for a very long time (2,000 years) by the Arabs who live in that land. Those Arabs lived in peace and harmony with the small number jews who have lived in the land over the centuries...they have been neighbours, workmates and friends.
Sadly, a group of extremist relgious zionists rose up in the early part of the 19th century and demanded to take back 'ownership' of the land. They forced many arabs (many of whom were born there) out, many they killed. They declared war on Arabs in order to take back the land. They ruined arabs businesses and drove them out of the areas they wanted. In some arab villages they completely took over and booted all the arabs out. The zionists also destroyed a mosque that had been standing for over a thousand years...it was the Arabs most holy place of worship.
Now if this is legal and justified, I cant see it. And many of those arabs are in fact our christian brothers and sisters. I would like to see the jews move into the land in peace and recognize that the Arabs are the legal government of the land. The zionists wont see it that way though. They dont only want to live in the land, they want to drive out the inhabitants by any means necessary.
I certainly dont support this sort of take over. I do not believe isreal are the chosen ones anymore...if they were, then we christians might as well all revert to Judaism.
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What does the term chosen people mean in regards to Israel?
Name for the Jewish people expressive of the idea of their having been chosen by God to fulfill the mission of proclaiming His truth among all the nations. This choice does not imply a superior claim, but a superior duty and responsibility on the part of the Jewish people, inasmuch as they have been pledged by the covenant which God concluded with Abraham, their ancestor, and again with the entire nation on Sinai, to testify, by precept and example, to the truth revealed to them, to lead a holy life as God's priest-people, and, if needs be, sacrifice their very lives for the sake of this truth. In this peculiar sense they are called God's own people;...
Unlike any other nation, the Jewish people began their career conscious of their life-purpose and world-duty as the priests and teachers of a universal religious truth; and their whole history, with all its tragic sternness, was and to the end of time will be devoted to the carrying out of this purpose and the discharge of this duty.
That Israel's character as the chosen people is conditioned by obedience to God's commandments is stated in the very words of the Sinai covenant: "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people; for all the earth is mine: and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation"
According to the Rabbis, Israel has not been chosen as the people of the Law on account of its racial superiority. "Israel is of all nations the most willful or headstrong one [
],...
"The character of Israel as the chosen people," writes Güdemann ("Das Judenthum," 1902, p. 44) "does not involve the inferiority of other nations. The universality of Israel's idea of God is sufficient proof against such an assumption. Every nation requires a certain self-consciousness for the carrying out of its mission. Israel's self-consciousness was tempered by the memory of its servitude in Egypt and the recognition of its being 'the servant of the Lord.' It was the noblesse oblige of the God-appointed worker for the entire human race."
Read more: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=478&letter=C#ixzz0qptxJHDP
From wikipedia:
Conservative Judaism and its Israeli counterpart Masorti Judaism, views the concept of chosenness in this way:
Few beliefs have been subject to as much misunderstanding as the "Chosen People" doctrine. The Torah and the Prophets clearly stated that this does not imply any innate Jewish superiority. In the words of Amos (3:2) "You alone have I singled out of all the families of the earth - that is why I will call you to account for your iniquities". The Torah tells us that we are to be "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" with obligations and duties which flowed from our willingness to accept this status. Far from being a license for special privilege, it entailed additional responsibilities not only toward God but to our fellow human beings. As expressed in the blessing at the reading of the Torah, our people have always felt it to be a privilege to be selected for such a purpose. For the modern traditional Jew, the doctrine of the election and the covenant of Israel offers a purpose for Jewish existence which transcends its own self interests. It suggests that because of our special history and unique heritage we are in a position to demonstrate that a people that takes seriously the idea of being covenanted with God can not only thrive in the face of oppression, but can be a source of blessing to its children and its neighbors. It obligates us to build a just and compassionate society throughout the world and especially in the land of Israel where we may teach by example what it means to be a "covenant people, a light unto the nations.[10]
Reform Judaism views the concept of chosenness in this way:
Throughout the ages it has been Israel's mission to witness to the Divine in the face of every form of paganism and materialism. We regard it as our historic task to cooperate with all men in the establishment of the kingdom of God, of universal brotherhood, Justice, truth and peace on earth. This is our Messianic goal.[12]
Name for the Jewish people expressive of the idea of their having been chosen by God to fulfill the mission of proclaiming His truth among all the nations. This choice does not imply a superior claim, but a superior duty and responsibility on the part of the Jewish people, inasmuch as they have been pledged by the covenant which God concluded with Abraham, their ancestor, and again with the entire nation on Sinai, to testify, by precept and example, to the truth revealed to them, to lead a holy life as God's priest-people, and, if needs be, sacrifice their very lives for the sake of this truth. In this peculiar sense they are called God's own people;...
Unlike any other nation, the Jewish people began their career conscious of their life-purpose and world-duty as the priests and teachers of a universal religious truth; and their whole history, with all its tragic sternness, was and to the end of time will be devoted to the carrying out of this purpose and the discharge of this duty.
That Israel's character as the chosen people is conditioned by obedience to God's commandments is stated in the very words of the Sinai covenant: "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people; for all the earth is mine: and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation"
According to the Rabbis, Israel has not been chosen as the people of the Law on account of its racial superiority. "Israel is of all nations the most willful or headstrong one [
"The character of Israel as the chosen people," writes Güdemann ("Das Judenthum," 1902, p. 44) "does not involve the inferiority of other nations. The universality of Israel's idea of God is sufficient proof against such an assumption. Every nation requires a certain self-consciousness for the carrying out of its mission. Israel's self-consciousness was tempered by the memory of its servitude in Egypt and the recognition of its being 'the servant of the Lord.' It was the noblesse oblige of the God-appointed worker for the entire human race."
Read more: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=478&letter=C#ixzz0qptxJHDP
From wikipedia:
Conservative Judaism and its Israeli counterpart Masorti Judaism, views the concept of chosenness in this way:
Few beliefs have been subject to as much misunderstanding as the "Chosen People" doctrine. The Torah and the Prophets clearly stated that this does not imply any innate Jewish superiority. In the words of Amos (3:2) "You alone have I singled out of all the families of the earth - that is why I will call you to account for your iniquities". The Torah tells us that we are to be "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" with obligations and duties which flowed from our willingness to accept this status. Far from being a license for special privilege, it entailed additional responsibilities not only toward God but to our fellow human beings. As expressed in the blessing at the reading of the Torah, our people have always felt it to be a privilege to be selected for such a purpose. For the modern traditional Jew, the doctrine of the election and the covenant of Israel offers a purpose for Jewish existence which transcends its own self interests. It suggests that because of our special history and unique heritage we are in a position to demonstrate that a people that takes seriously the idea of being covenanted with God can not only thrive in the face of oppression, but can be a source of blessing to its children and its neighbors. It obligates us to build a just and compassionate society throughout the world and especially in the land of Israel where we may teach by example what it means to be a "covenant people, a light unto the nations.[10]
Reform Judaism views the concept of chosenness in this way:
Throughout the ages it has been Israel's mission to witness to the Divine in the face of every form of paganism and materialism. We regard it as our historic task to cooperate with all men in the establishment of the kingdom of God, of universal brotherhood, Justice, truth and peace on earth. This is our Messianic goal.[12]
What does the term chosen people mean in regards to Israel?
Name for the Jewish people expressive of the idea of their having been chosen by God to fulfill the mission of proclaiming His truth among all the nations. This choice does not imply a superior claim, but a superior duty and responsibility on the part of the Jewish people, inasmuch as they have been pledged by the covenant which God concluded with Abraham, their ancestor, and again with the entire nation on Sinai, to testify, by precept and example, to the truth revealed to them, to lead a holy life as God's priest-people, and, if needs be, sacrifice their very lives for the sake of this truth. In this peculiar sense they are called God's own people;...
Unlike any other nation, the Jewish people began their career conscious of their life-purpose and world-duty as the priests and teachers of a universal religious truth; and their whole history, with all its tragic sternness, was and to the end of time will be devoted to the carrying out of this purpose and the discharge of this duty.
That Israel's character as the chosen people is conditioned by obedience to God's commandments is stated in the very words of the Sinai covenant: "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people; for all the earth is mine: and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation"
According to the Rabbis, Israel has not been chosen as the people of the Law on account of its racial superiority. "Israel is of all nations the most willful or headstrong one [],...
"The character of Israel as the chosen people," writes Güdemann ("Das Judenthum," 1902, p. 44) "does not involve the inferiority of other nations. The universality of Israel's idea of God is sufficient proof against such an assumption. Every nation requires a certain self-consciousness for the carrying out of its mission. Israel's self-consciousness was tempered by the memory of its servitude in Egypt and the recognition of its being 'the servant of the Lord.' It was the noblesse oblige of the God-appointed worker for the entire human race."
Read more: http://www.jewishenc...C#ixzz0qptxJHDP
Last night Hal Lindsey on the Hal Lindsey Report reminded us that there was no Palestinian Organization until 1948. They had nothing to do with the Gaza or Israel. I don't care what these college professors say in their efforts to put down the Jews and not think they are intitled to the Land God Promised His People. One day they and all the world who speak out against Israel will stand before Jesus Christ in judgement, I assure you He will not look kindly on them. Israel is the home of the Jews, like it or not according to the Word of God, it will always be their land. Arabs as much as they would like to did not controled the Land of Israel, regardless of what these learned professors decallre, I prefer to go by the Word of God. "God said, I believe it, that's the end of the story, like it or not.".
From wikipedia:
Conservative Judaism and its Israeli counterpart Masorti Judaism, views the concept of chosenness in this way:
Few beliefs have been subject to as much misunderstanding as the "Chosen People" doctrine. The Torah and the Prophets clearly stated that this does not imply any innate Jewish superiority. In the words of Amos (3:2) "You alone have I singled out of all the families of the earth - that is why I will call you to account for your iniquities". The Torah tells us that we are to be "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" with obligations and duties which flowed from our willingness to accept this status. Far from being a license for special privilege, it entailed additional responsibilities not only toward God but to our fellow human beings. As expressed in the blessing at the reading of the Torah, our people have always felt it to be a privilege to be selected for such a purpose. For the modern traditional Jew, the doctrine of the election and the covenant of Israel offers a purpose for Jewish existence which transcends its own self interests. It suggests that because of our special history and unique heritage we are in a position to demonstrate that a people that takes seriously the idea of being covenanted with God can not only thrive in the face of oppression, but can be a source of blessing to its children and its neighbors. It obligates us to build a just and compassionate society throughout the world and especially in the land of Israel where we may teach by example what it means to be a "covenant people, a light unto the nations.[10]
Reform Judaism views the concept of chosenness in this way:
Throughout the ages it has been Israel's mission to witness to the Divine in the face of every form of paganism and materialism. We regard it as our historic task to cooperate with all men in the establishment of the kingdom of God, of universal brotherhood, Justice, truth and peace on earth. This is our Messianic goal.[12]
You know I can go on line to all the so called experts so my support and love of Israel is justified too. A lot of the quotes from those referred in the threads may have man's education of Israel and their God, but it does not impress me. Man's little mind compared to God's is so minute. God never thinks as man thinks, God is Almighty God. Satan tried a few times to twist God's Word to sound good to man many times in God's Word, even tried it with Jesus Christ in the wilderness. In Jesus's case he failed. Jesus used the Gospel, not the thoughts of the educated in His day to defeat Satan. Everytime parents send a Christian son or daughter to one of our institutions of higher learning, I squint and hold my breath, because of the professors they will face. This is where they get the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the professors or policy of the school. So as far as Jews and their right to the Land of Israel which God gave to His choosen people, the Jews. I thank God that the Jews are returning to their homeland given to them since His Covenant with Abraham, remember God changing Jacob's name to Israel. Out of the seed of Jacob came the twelve tribes of Israel, jsu as the Lord promised to Abraham ,Moses, and Joshua. The land of Israel is as God gave it, and He will defend Israel at the drop of a hat. Yes Israel has rebelled against God, like any child would rebel against their parent, like a loving father would punish the rebellious child, so God ,as a Loving heavenly Father disciplined His children Israel. Now they are returning to their homeland of which I'm bery happy for them. The fact that most nations of the world and people including unfortunately some christians are so hateful of Israel, more than anyother country or people. They insist on denying Israel any rights to their land, in favor of the evil ones of the world. It is very easy to see who is in control and it is not Jesus Christ in these minds. The Christians I witness this with must ask what book are they reading and who are they serving.
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1Cor. 12:12 The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ. [sup]13[/sup] Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles,[sup][e][/sup] some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.[sup][f]
[/sup] [sup]14[/sup] Yes, the body has many different parts, not just one part.
[sup]15[/sup] If the foot says, “I am not a part of the body because I am not a hand,” that does not make it any less a part of the body. [sup]16[/sup] And if the ear says, “I am not part of the body because I am not an eye,” would that make it any less a part of the body? [sup]17[/sup] If the whole body were an eye, how would you hear? Or if your whole body were an ear, how would you smell anything? [sup]18[/sup] But our bodies have many parts, and God has put each part just where he wants it. [sup]19[/sup] How strange a body would be if it had only one part! [sup]20[/sup] Yes, there are many parts, but only one body. [sup]21[/sup] The eye can never say to the hand, “I don’t need you.” The head can’t say to the feet, “I don’t need you.”
[sup]22[/sup] In fact, some parts of the body that seem weakest and least important are actually the most necessary. [sup]23[/sup] And the parts we regard as less honorable are those we clothe with the greatest care. So we carefully protect those parts that should not be seen, [sup]24[/sup] while the more honorable parts do not require this special care. So God has put the body together such that extra honor and care are given to those parts that have less dignity. [sup]25[/sup] This makes for harmony among the members, so that all the members care for each other. [sup]26[/sup] If one part suffers, all the parts suffer with it, and if one part is honored, all the parts are glad. [sup]27[/sup] All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it.
Matt. 25:40 "The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
[sup]45[/sup] "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
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[/sup] [sup]14[/sup] Yes, the body has many different parts, not just one part.
[sup]15[/sup] If the foot says, “I am not a part of the body because I am not a hand,” that does not make it any less a part of the body. [sup]16[/sup] And if the ear says, “I am not part of the body because I am not an eye,” would that make it any less a part of the body? [sup]17[/sup] If the whole body were an eye, how would you hear? Or if your whole body were an ear, how would you smell anything? [sup]18[/sup] But our bodies have many parts, and God has put each part just where he wants it. [sup]19[/sup] How strange a body would be if it had only one part! [sup]20[/sup] Yes, there are many parts, but only one body. [sup]21[/sup] The eye can never say to the hand, “I don’t need you.” The head can’t say to the feet, “I don’t need you.”
[sup]22[/sup] In fact, some parts of the body that seem weakest and least important are actually the most necessary. [sup]23[/sup] And the parts we regard as less honorable are those we clothe with the greatest care. So we carefully protect those parts that should not be seen, [sup]24[/sup] while the more honorable parts do not require this special care. So God has put the body together such that extra honor and care are given to those parts that have less dignity. [sup]25[/sup] This makes for harmony among the members, so that all the members care for each other. [sup]26[/sup] If one part suffers, all the parts suffer with it, and if one part is honored, all the parts are glad. [sup]27[/sup] All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it.
Matt. 25:40 "The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
[sup]45[/sup] "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
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This all makes sense one way or another.
I see 2 types of Jews,,,,,1 the unbelieving Jew. Though they still believe in God, they reject Jesus so they are not the "nation of Israel" as they once were. Seems that the Nation is God's redeemed. So that makes "Israel" transferred to all those who are in Christ.
However, the promise of Salvation was to them and still stands. A member on this forum, (I'm sorry, I can't remember who or the post) described that real well to me. They still have to accept the Promise.
Now, God did promise the Jews from the beginning that Israel will be theirs. I don't consider God to take away promises. So, I still think Israel is rightfully theirs. However, God does also promise they must keep his commands. Which it's a command to worship Jesus, and Jesus openly rebuked all those who rejected him, Including and especially the Jews.
What tough subject.
On one hand, we don't want to condemn Israel because of obvious reasons. On the other hand we must acknowledge their rejection of Jesus.
I'm not in favor of the Israeli's running off the others living in their land and killing them. But, I don't know the full story. I obviously don't support any other religion aside from Christianity, and that includes Judiasm.
As far as who should have Israel, I think the Jews should,,,, no question. But, to be honest, I don't have a true emotion or feeling for or against Israel. I'm more confused as what to think about it. I guess now I'm starting to ramble. Ah well, there it is anyway.
I see 2 types of Jews,,,,,1 the unbelieving Jew. Though they still believe in God, they reject Jesus so they are not the "nation of Israel" as they once were. Seems that the Nation is God's redeemed. So that makes "Israel" transferred to all those who are in Christ.
However, the promise of Salvation was to them and still stands. A member on this forum, (I'm sorry, I can't remember who or the post) described that real well to me. They still have to accept the Promise.
Now, God did promise the Jews from the beginning that Israel will be theirs. I don't consider God to take away promises. So, I still think Israel is rightfully theirs. However, God does also promise they must keep his commands. Which it's a command to worship Jesus, and Jesus openly rebuked all those who rejected him, Including and especially the Jews.
What tough subject.
On one hand, we don't want to condemn Israel because of obvious reasons. On the other hand we must acknowledge their rejection of Jesus.
I'm not in favor of the Israeli's running off the others living in their land and killing them. But, I don't know the full story. I obviously don't support any other religion aside from Christianity, and that includes Judiasm.
As far as who should have Israel, I think the Jews should,,,, no question. But, to be honest, I don't have a true emotion or feeling for or against Israel. I'm more confused as what to think about it. I guess now I'm starting to ramble. Ah well, there it is anyway.
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Considering what the Jews have been through these last three thousand years or so, I find it commendable that they can follow as conservative a path as they have.
Considering what the people of Israel have had to face since 1948, I am impressed that they have not become as militaristic as America during the same period.
Considering the enemies that surround them and the cries for Israeli destruction and Jewish death that are being heard as I write, I sink to my knees daily and ask God to set a watch over them.
If ever there were a nation in the entire history of man that needed the help of their God, it is Israel.
May Jesus, Our Lord and their King, protect them.
Considering what the people of Israel have had to face since 1948, I am impressed that they have not become as militaristic as America during the same period.
Considering the enemies that surround them and the cries for Israeli destruction and Jewish death that are being heard as I write, I sink to my knees daily and ask God to set a watch over them.
If ever there were a nation in the entire history of man that needed the help of their God, it is Israel.
May Jesus, Our Lord and their King, protect them.
All Christians should and are called to do as you are doing, I fully agree with you.
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I believe all Christians are called to love.
Matt. 22 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" [sup]37[/sup] Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' [sup]38[/sup] This is the first and greatest commandment. [sup]39[/sup] And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' [sup]40[/sup] All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Matt. 5 43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' [sup]44[/sup] But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, [sup]45[/sup] that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. [sup]46[/sup] If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? [sup]47[/sup] And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that you are My disciples, if you love one another [if you keep on showing love among yourselves].
I believe all Christians are called to peace.
Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
Rom. 12:18 If possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone
.Luke 24:36 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you."
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
Acts 10:36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
Romans 14:19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
Romans 15:13 May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 1:2 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Ephesians 2:17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.
Ephesians 4:3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.
Ephesians 6:23 Peace to the brothers, and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Colossians 3:15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful.
2 Thessalonians 3:16 Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times and in every way. The Lord be with all of you.
Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
I make every effort to love and be at peace with all people no matter who they are or where they are on this earth. But I especially love, seek peace, and pray for the body of Christ who are in Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, etc. throughout the world. This is why I call attention to the body of Christ because their lives and well being are at stake.
then the question must be asked 'why doesnt he help them'?
Isreal of ancient times did not need the help of foreign neighbours to assist them in their battles. They had God fight for them and they were always victorious.
Yet the isreal of today is getting military support from America rather then God. So to assume that this is somehow a righteous or holy war or that it is in harmony with scriptural prophecies is completely wrong.
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