I hate to say it, but no matter what Israel does, even if it gave in to the world's requests to just sit there, take any and all attacks, say nothing or do nothing about them, give the Palestinians whatever they want, the world would still find fault with Israel, as the world hates whatever is God's or mentions His Name. In the world's eyes and unfortunately some mislead christians, refuse to give Israel any footing even if the Word of God is very clear. When the Lord speaks of Israel He means Israel, the land that He promised His people, that is Gospel, like it or not. The day the US turns it's back on Israel is the day the Lord will withdraw His protective Hand from the United States. God have mercy on the US and Israel.
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I hate to say it, but no matter what Israel does, even if it gave in to the world's requests to just sit there, take any and all attacks, say nothing or do nothing about them, give the Palestinians whatever they want, the world would still find fault with Israel, as the world hates whatever is God's or mentions His Name. In the world's eyes and unfortunately some mislead christians, refuse to give Israel any footing even if the Word of God is very clear. When the Lord speaks of Israel He means Israel, the land that He promised His people, that is Gospel, like it or not. The day the US turns it's back on Israel is the day the Lord will withdraw His protective Hand from the United States. God have mercy on the US and Israel.
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It's not fair to say "the Palestinians" because not all Palestinians are involved in this conflict. Most victims are children; and women and many in fact are Christians. And I would think you would be more concerned about your sisters and brothers, they should be our priority of concern is this matter. Or was Jesus wrong about that?
you realise thought that when the kingdom of Isreal became divided and was split in two by God, the 10 tribe kingdom of unfaithful Isrealites became known as the 'kingdom of Isreal' while the faithful Isrealites was the 'Kingdom of Judah' Any prophecies about the 'kingdom of Isreal' are only to be applied to Judah, not the entire jewish race. The messiah was born into the 2 tribe kingdom, not the entire race of isreal.
So as i said earlier, God is not bringing them back in order to give them the land. If he was they would have had it by now. If they want to live there then Im sure they could do that under the governance of the arabs who have occupied the lands for the past 2,000 years.
The arabs are only angry with them because they are taking by force and by bloodshed something that does not belong to them. If it were not for Isreals actions in this regard, im certain that jews could have immigrated back to jerusalem by going thru the right legal channels with the approval of the Abrabs who governed the lands.
Imagine if the native Indians of America decided that they should have their ancestral lands returned to them and demanded to their own governments to rule that land by ousting the president of the USA and trying to abolish congress.
Would you support them in such a takeover....afterall, that is what you are supporting by supporting Isreals takeover of Palestine.
Peg, I do not know what Bible your reading, but I'm not reading the same as you. The Land of Israel belongs to the People of Israel, and will also when Jesus returns and sits on the Throne of King David. Nothing I say will convince you, you will continue to deny the State of Israel to the Children of Abraham, the offsping of Abraham's son Isaac, of which one was Jacob who the Lord renamed Israel as God saw the fulfillment of His covenant with Abraham, later to Moses. It was Joshua who lead the Israelites into the Promised Land and God who gave the Israelites victory over those who where in the Land promised. 2000 Years ago Israel was ruled by Rome, which was during Jesus' Ministry here on earth. 1948 Israel was declaed a state by the UN , a homeland for the return of the Jews. I do not see anything about Arabs ruling over Israel, even though they claim it only because the Muslims hate the Jews, and want them wiped off the planet. Of course Satan hates them too. The Lord did tell Abraham "I will bless those who bless you, I will curse those who curse you.". God was speaking of the Jews. If not so why would Jesus be returning to Jerusalem to sit on the Throne of David who was King of the Israelites (Jews). Arab Countries will never rule Israel, the Lord would never allow it. I believe that many of those who rise up against Israel will be slain by the Lord and His Heavenly army at Armagedon. Please do not quote any history professors or so called biblical scholars who take and twist the Word of God, to fit their ideology. Yes I do and I believe every Christian who professes Christ should be supportive of Israel, in prayer and deed, if they are truly following the Lord Jesus Christ. Love you in Jesus Name
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...I believe every Christian who professes Christ should be supportive of the body of Christ, in prayer and deed, if they are truly following the Lord Jesus Christ. Love each other, pray for other, we are one body in Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Yes we should pray for all. Right now Israel is under great world preasure, including the current US administration to back down and take what ever is dished out to them. God has alled us as incrafted Jews through Jesus Christ to pray for Israel and support Israel, like it or not, I have little faith in the so called learnered people of a lot of our theological schools who themselves have a grudge against Israel, blinded by reading the Word of God on their own strength instead of understanding it through the Holy Spirit. There is only One Book that counts when it comes to Israel that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No other book is needed.
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I do pray for Israel. I pray that the powers that be there will be filled with love, mercy and compassion not only for their own people including the Christians there, but also for their neighbors; that they will make fair and just decisions that take into account the respect for human life and human suffering; decisions for the good of all people in the Middle East and for the entire world; and that they will receive into their hearts and minds the message of and love for our Father and his son, Jesus Christ.
I know that not all people in Israel agree with the policies concerning this conflict. Many in Israel want peace in the Middle East. I do not hate Israel, I don't hate any people or country. I may not agree with the policies of a country but I do not view a whole country or its people by the decisions made by those in power there. I feel this same way about all countries and people.
I agree, there is only one book that counts, which is God's word, the bible. No other book is needed, not even Hal Lindsey's "The Late Great Planet Earth". It amazes me how many Christians have told me that he is a prophet and that I should read this book; they encouraged me to read his book-and not the bible.
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The primary call for Christians is to discipleship, not love.
The first commandment is to love and serve God. Period.
The second commandment is like it, but does not imply a blanket acceptance of rebellion against the Almighty (sin), nor does it imply acceptance of immoral behavior in society (shame).
A true Christian stands upon a rock, not a marshmellow.
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Is this thread about discipleship? Perhaps we are discussing discipleship with regards to Israel.
There are Christians in Israel who endeavor to share the message about our Father and his son, Jesus Christ. However, these Christians do not have freedom to do this as we do here in the USA; they encounter persecution in Israel. Yes, even in Israel.
So you consider me a marshmellow Christian because I love Christians in Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. etc. who are even trying to be involved in "discipleship". And as a result, many Muslims are becoming Christians.Do you even know what is happening to these Christians? Do you even care? I call attention to their persecution and suffering and I ask for prayers for them and you call me a marshmellow Christian. And here I thought that was what Jesus wanted me to do. To love, pray and be at peace with my brothers and sisters throughout the world.
Acceptance of immoral behavior in society? Rebellion against the Almighty? What does this have to with anything I've said?
Politics and wars of men mean absolutely nothing to me except I recognize what these two have done to humanity. Especially to Christians.
The bottom line for me is that I will not support anything that means the suffering and death of Christians. They have enough to deal with as it is without me adding more to it. And don't think for a second that Christians, especially in the Middle East, aren't aware of how many Christians support this sort of thing. They would probably say this is immoral behavior, rebellion against the Almighty, and that the Christians who support this don't stand upon the Rock.
Truth:
I am glad to see I am not the only one.
rjp, What part of Love don't you understand?
We are to preach to the world but it is not our responsibility to MAKE them believe. You have no right to condemn someone. You can condemn behavior but not an individual.
And who are you? Your righteousness is like filthy rags – Hello?
And how many Biblical Laws do you break in a day?
Israel has turned their back on God how many times? Yet, the Jews are still God's people.
Rjp, can you say Pharisee? Sure, I knew you could.
I am glad to see I am not the only one.
rjp, What part of Love don't you understand?
We are to preach to the world but it is not our responsibility to MAKE them believe. You have no right to condemn someone. You can condemn behavior but not an individual.
And who are you? Your righteousness is like filthy rags – Hello?
And how many Biblical Laws do you break in a day?
Israel has turned their back on God how many times? Yet, the Jews are still God's people.
Rjp, can you say Pharisee? Sure, I knew you could.
Thank you Gator; If people would go to www.hallindsey.org and view the weekly videos from his weekly programs they might have a new outlook on Israel. I watch him only because he backs eveything with the Scriptures. All his prophecies come with chapter , verse and book in God's Word. I found this thread to be the tuffest, lately. Alot of responses come from college professors, and theologians, who many are very liberal, whose idea is to discredit God and His Word for some text book thoughts or theories. I've seen in my many years in ministry christian parents sending their children to college and when they come home all the teachings of the parents are disregarded, these christian children are no longer the same, until they have a renewal of their relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. The fathers have to lay hands on their children and place a hedge around them. I know it works. Love you in Jesus Name.
The reason I am pro Israel is because God is pro Israel.
The people who are not pro Israel are not siding with the God of Israel.
It is as simple as that.
Which side are you on ?
Does Israel have faults?
Do you have faults?
Will God abandon Israel?
Will God abandon you ?
Because of your faults?
Careful now.
The people who are not pro Israel are not siding with the God of Israel.
It is as simple as that.
Which side are you on ?
Does Israel have faults?
Do you have faults?
Will God abandon Israel?
Will God abandon you ?
Because of your faults?
Careful now.
Even if you don’t support Israel because “God loves Israel” consider the following:
Ø Israel is our (USA) only true ally in the Middle East.
Ø Israel is the only democracy in the region.
Ø Israel has never attacked another country
Ø Israel is constantly under attack
Ø Israel’s neighbors have openly stated that they want to “ELIMINATE” the Jews from the region.
Ø Israel has been rocketed DAILY since it left the Gaza Strip.
Ø In Israel, ALL religions are free to be practiced
Ø And last, IT”S THEIR COUNTRY!!!
Ø Israel is our (USA) only true ally in the Middle East.
Ø Israel is the only democracy in the region.
Ø Israel has never attacked another country
Ø Israel is constantly under attack
Ø Israel’s neighbors have openly stated that they want to “ELIMINATE” the Jews from the region.
Ø Israel has been rocketed DAILY since it left the Gaza Strip.
Ø In Israel, ALL religions are free to be practiced
Ø And last, IT”S THEIR COUNTRY!!!
Even if you don’t support Israel because “God loves Israel” consider the following:
Ø Israel is our (USA) only true ally in the Middle East.
Ø Israel is the only democracy in the region.
Ø Israel has never attacked another country
Ø Israel is constantly under attack
Ø Israel’s neighbors have openly stated that they want to “ELIMINATE” the Jews from the region.
Ø Israel has been rocketed DAILY since it left the Gaza Strip.
Ø In Israel, ALL religions are free to be practiced
Ø And last, IT”S THEIR COUNTRY!!!
Great points. Thanks.
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