rethinking the prophets...

David H. · Nov 10, 2020

lforrest said:
Do fundamentalists have discernement, Charasmatcs lack? I think it is more likely skepticism.

The "skepticism" you see is the textualism I speak of as being the problem with the fundamentalists, and You are right to point that out. What the charismatics fail to see is that not all "spiritual experiences" are from God. Some are from seducing spirits, such as the Kundallini spirit. A true Spiritual experience leads to repentance and the sense of awe of the Holiness of God, Not a "good feeling" per se, but one that puts us in the right place of worshipping in Spirit and Truth.

The Bigger "flaw" in both forms of Christendom is the Humanism which is ingrained in both of them. In Fundamentalism it is in the form of faith in human understanding (the vanity of the Mind) which is carnal and against the will of God. In the Charismatics this humanism manifests in emotions and love of self. Both trust in the Human flesh, whether mental or emotional, and Both betray the true faith of Christ.

To explain the subtilty of Humanism in Christendom is hard, But the following vision from a Charismatic might help you to see this.
Escape from Christendom
This is perhaps one of the most inspired visions I have read. Enjoy the read.
God Bless.

amigo de christo · Nov 10, 2020

lforrest said:
I see charasmatic stuff on there, which isn't new age. New Age is about a one world, self help, mysticism, the universe is God, kind of religion.

You are loved my friend . but you must have missed the ghost whisperes show . THEY were talking to the dead my friend .
Now that is SOOTHSAYING mumbo stuff . Be encouraged my friend .

lforrest · Nov 10, 2020

amigo de christo said:
You are loved my friend . but you must have missed the ghost whisperes show . THEY were talking to the dead my friend .
Now that is SOOTHSAYING mumbo stuff . Be encouraged my friend .

That would be concerning.

amigo de christo · Nov 10, 2020

lforrest said:
That would be concerning.

It was my friend . It truly was . We must be very careful these days my friend . Be encouraged .

amigo de christo · Nov 10, 2020

lforrest said:
I see charasmatic stuff on there, which isn't new age. New Age is about a one world, self help, mysticism, the universe is God, kind of religion.

NO , its there my friend . Research the shows and watch it . Soothysaying was spotted . THEY should have known better . Something is wrong .

Ferris Bueller · Nov 10, 2020

Mantis said:
I hope this dude is right!

I think we're looking at civil war if he's right and Trump does hold onto office. And I also think there's a chance there's going to be a civil war if the judicial system blows off Trump's claim of electoral fraud. I think there are right wingers who aren't going to accept that and may start shooting. For the record I'm not one of them.

Ronald David Bruno · Nov 10, 2020

Ferris Bueller said:
I think we're looking at civil war if he's right and Trump does hold onto office. And I also think there's a chance there's going to be a civil war if the judicial system blows off Trump's claim of electoral fraud. I think there are right wingers who aren't going to accept that and may start shooting. For the record I'm not one of them.

Oh, so Ferris Bueller is going to take a couple weeks off?

You are right either way, there will be heightened civil unrest. Of course, Republicans respond to a lose much better than the Dems.

If we spread Romans 13:1, 2, and tell people that whoever is elected is the will of God, for He alone appoints the rulers of the world - for a purpose and that whoever resists God's appointment, judgment will come upon them, people may receive that in peace. Nobody will blame either side and we can accept it - as a blessing or as punishment. Of course only true Christians will heed and obey the Bible! God is sovereign and so all these major events are orchestrated - He already has this factored into His plan. This is how God causes all things to work for good, to those who love Him, to those who are called to His purpose. The majority of Americans have faith in God. This is what we should get out into the streets with signs, worshipping and celebrating Jesus, who died for all us sinners. Also to the anarchists, He who is without sin cast the first stone! The only way we can have peace is to rest in His peace - you can actually do that knowing you are going to die any moment. All this fear is of Satan. This is how he controls the world, with lies and fear.
***Maybe we can all copy and paste that message and send it out as a chain letter? Just put anonymous on it - I'm at peace, don't want to be hassled!

n2thelight · Nov 10, 2020

Ronald David Bruno said:
I guess you must be a Democrat?
It's hard to argue against people who just attack your character (just like Trump was attacked for four years), offering no substance. These kind of petty and empty insults are commonly used.
Please be more specific - narrow it down or maybe you think just all of it is foolishness? That would include scripture as well?
There is an investigation going on. Obvious massive fraud on our voting process was committed.
Facebook and Twitter along with all media including Fox are censoring these claims, omitting Trumps tweets, post-election speeches and just today I read even Fox news cutting off the White House Press Secretary for rebuking the Democrats who have allowed fraud. And they don't care how they win, just that they do. The whole scheme is diabolical ... that is the scheme leading us into this One World Government.

Actually I'm anybody but Christ, but it just amazes me how people follow trump (and no ,he don't deserve a Cap on his name) .
4 years ago the situation was flipped and all I heard was get over it, wow!!!

Cutting off the press secretary, the one's that's been lying for the past 4 years.

n2thelight · Nov 10, 2020

Randy Kluth said:
Yes, God would've preferred Israel to vote for Himself, but instead Samuel allowed them to vote for King Saul. The reason many Christians, like myself, voted for Trump was because there were only 2 real options. One held to biblical positions, such as defense of country, pro-traditional family, responsible charity--not enablement, anti-abortion, limiting unworthy immigrants, free capitalism instead of a socialistic, elitist government that makes decisions for people.

What democrat don't hold to those same positions? The problem I see is people not realizing that we are being played by BOTH sides

If you call helping your fellow man socialist than I take it you don't like Christ
Who are you to decide who's an unworthy immigrant ?

Ronald David Bruno · Nov 11, 2020

n2thelight said:
Actually I'm anybody but Christ, but it just amazes me how people follow trump (and no ,he don't deserve a Cap on his name) .
4 years ago the situation was flipped and all I heard was get over it, wow!!!

Cutting off the press secretary, the one's that's been lying for the past 4 years.

Isaiah 5:20
ISAIAH warned us of the times we are living in - it's upside down or as others call it, an alternate reality.
So one of us is believing the lies.
Remember in the end times, God sends out a strong delusion - so that they believe the lie!
We will see what happens soon.

Randy Kluth · Nov 11, 2020

n2thelight said:
What democrat don't hold to those same positions? The problem I see is people not realizing that we are being played by BOTH sides

If you call helping your fellow man socialist than I take it you don't like Christ
Who are you to decide who's an unworthy immigrant ?

The unworthy immigrant is MS13, and those who don't apply for entry legally. Lawless people should not be given entry.

I'm not saying helping our fellow man is the problem. The way socialists try to do this may be well-intentioned, but it doesn't work.

1) It isn't based on faith in Christ, or on a Christian society--it is pluralistic or atheistic. It lacks God's blessing.
2) It is based on the idea that an elite is untainted and capable of responsibly making decisions for the masses, without serious checks and balances. An elite is as corrupt as any group of people. To place decisions in the hands of a corrupt few, or to a corrupt party elite, is to subject the people to deceptive policies and to selfish political manipulations, or propaganda.
3) It rewards the *friends* and *allies* of the group in power, thus discriminating against other political interests.
4) To win allies among the people, goods and services are promised that reward irresponsible, lazy people, simply due to their loyalty, and at any rate are gobbled up by inflation. In other words, the goods and services promised are not the goods and services delivered over the long run.

I agree that both sides "play people." But there is a "more right" position to vote for. And we should, to be responsible, vote for the "more right" group that holds to more Christian positions. It is not a green light to the Republican Party to do as they please. On the contrary, a Constitutional Government, which is what they claim to represent, would hold them accountable, as well, by checks and balances.

On the other hand, voting for the Democrat Party, when they are leaning to the Left, towards Socialistic, government-controlled policies, when that will be as bad as any enormous corrupt corporation, is to allow a gradual dictatorship--a one-party system as corrupt as a Communist State. Bad idea!

lforrest · Nov 11, 2020

Jeremiah 20:9 Shows us what happens to a prophet who tries to hold back a word from the Lord that is intended for others, they can't hold it back. It is like fire shut up in their bones.

So if they get a word from God about Trump they got to speak it. What is the prophet to do?

n2thelight · Nov 11, 2020

Ronald David Bruno said:
Isaiah 5:20
ISAIAH warned us of the times we are living in - it's upside down or as others call it, an alternate reality.
So one of us is believing the lies.
Remember in the end times, God sends out a strong delusion - so that they believe the lie!
We will see what happens soon.

The lie of the strong delusion is believing satan to be Christ when he arrives pretending to be.

n2thelight · Nov 11, 2020

Randy Kluth said:
The unworthy immigrant is MS13, and those who don't apply for entry legally. Lawless people should not be given entry.

I'm not saying helping our fellow man is the problem. The way socialists try to do this may be well-intentioned, but it doesn't work.

1) It isn't based on faith in Christ, or on a Christian society--it is pluralistic or atheistic. It lacks God's blessing.
2) It is based on the idea that an elite is untainted and capable of responsibly making decisions for the masses, without serious checks and balances. An elite is as corrupt as any group of people. To place decisions in the hands of a corrupt few, or to a corrupt party elite, is to subject the people to deceptive policies and to selfish political manipulations, or propaganda.
3) It rewards the *friends* and *allies* of the group in power, thus discriminating against other political interests.
4) To win allies among the people, goods and services are promised that reward irresponsible, lazy people, simply due to their loyalty, and at any rate are gobbled up by inflation. In other words, the goods and services promised are not the goods and services delivered over the long run.

I agree that both sides "play people." But there is a "more right" position to vote for. And we should, to be responsible, vote for the "more right" group that holds to more Christian positions. It is not a green light to the Republican Party to do as they please. On the contrary, a Constitutional Government, which is what they claim to represent, would hold them accountable, as well, by checks and balances.

On the other hand, voting for the Democrat Party, when they are leaning to the Left, towards Socialistic, government-controlled policies, when that will be as bad as any enormous corrupt corporation, is to allow a gradual dictatorship--a one-party system as corrupt as a Communist State. Bad idea!

Very well said and I truly respect your position ,however Republicans have not shown any values in the Word either.
Yes all who try to enter our Country should do so legally.

I have nothing against republicans but this trump dude is everything you accuse the Dems of being

n2thelight · Nov 11, 2020

lforrest said:
Jeremiah 20:9 Shows us what happens to a prophet who tries to hold back a word from the Lord that is intended for others, they can't hold it back. It is like fire shut up in their bones.

So if they get a word from God about Trump they got to speak it. What is the prophet to do?

Can you please tell me what Word they received about trump? Also if they speak it , it must come to pass ,else they were not speaking on behalf of my Father

lforrest · Nov 12, 2020

n2thelight said:
Can you please tell me what Word they received about trump? Also if they speak it , it must come to pass ,else they were not speaking on behalf of my Father

There was Kim Clement in post 55.

Sid Roth also had several guests on his show who predicted concerning President Trump.

Bartholomew Jones · Nov 12, 2020

Randy Kluth said:
Fair enough, but it isn't looking good for either Trump or our nation. That's just my political opinion. And my political opinion is based on how I see the political platforms of each party. In my view, the Republican Party best represents the Christian view.

I know there are arguments for both sides. But the determining fact for me recently has been the move to the Left by the Democrat Party. The ignoring of the riots in the streets, the stoking of racial tensions, the position on abortion and homosexuality, and the tendency to create an equivalency between Christianity and Islam, are all of bother to me.

Much of it is just politicking, ie trying to win over various special interest groups to win the election. Whether it goes as far radical as it seems I don't know.

For now, I'm facing the fact that for 4 years the Democrat Party has been allowed to finance a corrupt and deceptive attack on a legitimate US President, with very little pushback. While Trump was accused of being a "Russian agent," it was really the Clinton campaign that financed a "Russian" operation to tar Trump illegitimately. And whereas Trump paid with expensive political capital, the Democrats suffered nothing. In fact, they succeeded, apparently.

I've been told by these "prophets" that God would not allow this to go on, that He would cause Trump and the Republicans to triumph. I haven't seen that. Even the investigation into the "Russian Hoax" scandal will likely now be silenced. I'm very embarrassed by this turn of events. And I've lost all interest in defending what appear to be "false prophets."

I will change my views again if things turn out differently. But as of right now, I have no reason to think so.

Jeremiah writes that if a man prophesies doom, and it fails, okay, it failed; but the mark of a false prophet is when he prophesies peace, and it fails.

Bartholomew Jones · Nov 12, 2020

Keraz said:
What I post is what the Prophets said.
It is your inability to accept their prophesies, that is the problem. Your objections hold no water unless you can prove where I have posted anywhere, contrary to the Prophetic Word.

For example look at Isaiah 30:26a, where Isaiah says a day is coming when the sun will shine 7 times brighter.....
From the context of that verse and the results of this unusual phenomenon, the only conclusion must be that the sun will explode out a huge, earth directed Coronal Mass Ejection. This is something we know can happen and scientists, incl NASA, warn us about it.
If you have another viable explanation for what God said; thru Isaiah and 2 Peter 3:7, plus about 70 other prophesies about the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath; then lets hear it.

You can't assume anything. That's adding to God's word. Sevenfold is never correctly translated as "7 times brighter." And the passage Peter wrote about heaven and earth being reserved unto fire is hard to understand without a careful look into the Hebrew thought when written in Greek. It's actually saying that God has kept them treasured, against a day of judgment; the only thing marked in that verse for destruction is the ungodly, including their works.

Bartholomew Jones · Nov 12, 2020

Randy Kluth said:
I was getting kind of excited, thinking the prophets were rising again. All kinds of them were coming out of the woodwork, proclaiming this and that. Well, they weren't 100%, but then nobody's 100% perfect, right?

Well, after this last US election, I'm re-thinking my position on the "prophets." So many of them called this election for Trump, and it hasn't turned out that way. So I apologize if I pushed in the wrong direction. I'll have to go back to the drawing board.

Usually it's a bad sign when someone has itchy ears.

Randy Kluth · Nov 12, 2020

Bartholomew Jones said:
Jeremiah writes that if a man prophesies doom, and it fails, okay, it failed; but the mark of a false prophet is when he prophesies peace, and it fails.

I'm not sure that's true. It's not okay to prophesy anything wrong, as I see it. We shouldn't be running around prophesying doom, if it isn't from God. Chicken Little!

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