Jesus Is A God Of Conditional Love, Not Unconditional Love.

Psalm 15


1Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?

2He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.

3He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.

4In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.
5He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved

God is love but he also has condtions on who he loves, his eyes have contemned for a vile person!

a vile person worketh iniquity in his heart

Isaiah 32:6
For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

The Lord hates all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.


even those who work iniquity in the heart(mind

xander said:

Ozell, I agree with you on this subject! God's love is conditional! Check out this thread I started talking about the same subject.
http://www.christian...-love-everyone/
I received a lot of back lash from the people reading the thread!

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Shalom Xander

the truth will all receive opposition.

It's a blessing to know that there are more of us online sharing the truth.

peace in Jesus

Romans 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.



Matthew 24
1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Jeremiah 46:10
For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.


Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.


the Lord will do these things to his love ones? if God loves everyone this will happen to all people since he loves all people

God cannot love every one now or when he returns

Revelation 22:10-12

10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

even in the last chapter in the last book of the bible we still have the unjust and the filthy!

God don't deal with filthy and unjust people!!

The God of conditional love don't!!!

IT is impossible for the Lord to love all people!

Psalm 101


6Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me: he that walketh in a perfect way, he shall serve me.

7He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight.

8I will early destroy all the wicked of the land; that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the LORD

mjrhealth said:

Oh Ozell, waht spirirt are you under, if God cant love the sinner then you and I are not loved by God, because we are all sinners, there is no rightousness in any of us, NONE.,

In His LOve

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servant of God

the spirit of love and understanding is what I am under.

what is righteousness according to the Lord?

lets read it and you tell me if any of us cannot have this righteousness in us.

Deuteronomy 6:25
And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

this is what the Lord consider righteousmess,

you made a general statement when you say there is no righteousness in any of us.

lets read some more because I have to disagree because of the Words in the Bible


Genesis 15


[sup]1[/sup]After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

[sup]2[/sup]And Abram said, LORD God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?

[sup]3[/sup]And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

[sup]4[/sup]And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

[sup]5[/sup]And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. [sup]6[/sup]And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

If it is counted to Abraham should it be counted to us also?

are we not Abraham's seed ?

Galatians 3:28-29 (King James Version)





[sup]28[/sup]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [sup]29[/sup]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.



I have to disagree with your statement.

Everyone on this earth can keep the commandments which is righteousness.

are you a thief?
do you steal?
do you worship other god's beside Jesus?
do you honor your parents?
have you killed?

I sure you will say no to 4 of the 5 and yes to 1

and you have kept 5 of the 10!!

thanks for responding!!

Robbie said:

Sound more like Jesus is saying that if we love Him we should keep His commandments... not in order for Him to love us... I believe He showed His love for us by dying for us when we were still sinners... healing us when we're still sinners... providing for us when we're still sinners... protecting us while we're still sinners... and so on...

Jesus also said to love our enemies so we would be like our Father who loves both the evil and the just...

I also think of Jesus asking for the Father's forgiveness for those that were condemning Him... the way He treated the woman caught in adultery... all the sinners he healed even the one saying, "Take up your mat and walk... your sins are forgiven you"

Because I believe Jesus is the perfect revelation of the Father I can't believe anything else but that God's love is perfect and unconditional thanks to His life... I might find something that disagrees with that outside of Jesus in the Law or the Prophets but I've learned not to build three tabernacles that make Elijah, Moses and Jesus as equals... Jesus is His beloved Son in whom He is well pleased so I should just hear Him... otherwise I'm still seeing the Father through a veil...

Much Love...

PS: I do agree that if I love Him I'll keep His commandments... with how many ways I've failed at following Him I think it's best for me to now just say, "God be merciful to me a sinner"

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what about this

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Robbie said:

I would say in order to understand 1 John 5:3 you'd need to read 1 John 1, 2, 3, and 4 first... John didn't write a sentence... he wrote a letter... some people forget that because some people take a sentence and jump to another sentence and then jump to another sentence and when you do that you can make all those letters say whatever you want...

But if you read it in context it's basically breaking down the commandment from Jesus to love one another... and that is the love of God... and it's not burdensome... because loving one another feels good... when you have His Spirit...

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Brother


read it in context and read all the other verses you said

but at the end of each reading you 1John 5v 3 will still read and mean the same

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

God's love is based on us keeping his commandments.

Nomad said:

I think there's a misunderstanding here about the phrase "the love of God." The word 'God' in the text of 1 John 5:3 is in the genitive case, or more specifically, an objective genitive. To beak it down, this simply means that God is the object of the love expressed. In other words, our love for God is expressed by keeping His commandments. God's love for us is not in view here. That would be a subjective genitive, but that's not what John is communicating here.

So why do many English translation read, "love of God" instead of "love for God?' Because that's the literal rendering. Literal isn't always better. Sometimes it leads to confusion because a rigid translation can at times leave out vial information like it does here. I'll post a few translations that do translate this objective genitive less literally, but in the sense intended.


1 John 5:3 (New International Version, ©2010)
[sup]3[/sup] In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,





1 John 5:3 (Contemporary English Version)
[sup]3[/sup]We show our love for God by obeying his commandments, and they are not hard to follow.





1 John 5:3 (New Century Version)
[sup]3[/sup] Loving God means obeying his commands. And God's commands are not too hard for us,




1 John 5:3 (New Century Version)
[sup]3[/sup] Loving God means obeying his commands. And God's commands are not too hard for us,




1 John 5:3 (GOD’S WORD Translation)
[sup]3[/sup]To love God means that we obey his commandments. Obeying his commandments isn’t difficult





1 John 5:3 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
[sup]3[/sup] For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,



1 John 5:3 (New International Reader's Version)
[sup]3[/sup] Here is what it means to love God. It means that we obey his commands. And his commands are not hard to obey.





1 John 5:3 (Worldwide English (New Testament))
[sup]3[/sup]We show that we love God when we obey his laws. His laws are not hard to obey.

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however you want to translate it the Lord said that

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

the love of God is that we(man) keep his commandments.

TexUs said:

Then mankind should've ended with Adam and Eve.

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why do you say this?

we also read

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Robbie said:

Even a human Father's love doesn't waver when their child disobeys their commandments... if we being evil have that kind of Love for our kids... how much more the Father who is Love...

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a human father does waver when it comes to his children, we have a over abundance of fatherless children in this world.

Jesus put a condition on love

Nomad said:

The way one translates 1 John 5:3 makes all the difference in the world. Keeping God's commandments as an expression of our love for Him is far different than keeping God's commandments in order that He may love us. The former is commensurate with the faith and repentance of a regenerate heart. The latter makes grace no longer grace.

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where do you read this at?

the commandments requires action on our part, expression has nothing to do with it

how can you express thou shalt not kill, how can you express thou shalt not steal,

by keeping the commandments man shows God that he Loves and obeys Him

Grace is a free gift, obedience and Love fall under grace grace will always be grace because Jesus is grace.