justbyfaith
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They were questions that are normally asked by Calvinists.
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They were questions that are normally asked by Calvinists.
and you have asked similar questions as well, so that makes you guilty by association I guess.They were questions that are normally asked by Calvinists.
What questions have I asked and where?and you have asked similar questions as well, so that makes you guilty by association I guess.
you just endorsed double predestination hereWhat questions have I asked and where?
Are you certain you're not thinking of someone else?
I do not think that I promote Calvinism in the slightest...because I don't believe in it (though I do believe in one of its aspects...eternal security...not OSAS but POTS).
What questions have I asked and where?
Are you certain you're not thinking of someone else?
I do not think that I promote Calvinism in the slightest...because I don't believe in it (though I do believe in one of its aspects...eternal security...not OSAS but POTS).
Personally, there are conditions, and I believe we are being saved, but we must endure to the end. 1 John 3:21-24.
That answer Doesn't make sense to me, Help me understand if you will, What do you believe you are being saved from, and what must you endure to earn
Guilty as charged...you just endorsed double predestination here
Pre-Destined Elect - simplified.
and this is straight out of calvinism
Pre-Destined Elect - simplified.
Did you read the verses? 1 John 3:21-24
Mark 13:13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
1 John 3:13 Do not marvel if the world hates you.
I know the verses, I wanted to hear your opinion on the questions I asked, You have a habit of not answering questions So it makes dialogue quite boring and I give up...He who endures will be saved no doubt, it shows who was faking or not but you don't endure to be saved as an example, But without honest answers, we might as well just all say read your Bible chop-chop read your Bible put those hands up and read more Bible then we could be friends right
We've already been given a new nature that can partake of the divine nature of God. However, you CAN quench the Spirit and go back to the old flesh and become a slave to sin again. Thus, we must endure to the end in the divine nature, not the old man.
It is interesting that you chose to exemplify the scriptures that I gave you.
Also Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14.Did you read the verses? 1 John 3:21-24
Mark 13:13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
1 John 3:13 Do not marvel if the world hates you.
I have only seen @CharismaticLady bear good fruit.Very Harsh....who could live up to your standard let me guess? only you, I didnt exemplify any Scriptures you better be careful with your acusations fake teach...your tactic is to dodge questions Try to put people beneath you and falsely raise yourself up, the mark of a false Teacher
How about 2 Timothy 3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers
I have only seen @CharismaticLady bear good fruit.
This means that the fact that no one can snatch us out of His hand means that we can never lose our salvation as long as we have this fear (which endureth for ever): because if we have this fear we will not walk away from Him.
Do You have to butt into every conversation, She and you are to be marked as false teachers as you both claim to be teachers but you deny 1 John 1 8-9 so the truth isn't in you
You just Put your Salvation on your ability, You are taking Credit For Salvation by your ability to have fear big mistake, Salvation Was Accomplished By Jesus Blood That he Shed At Calvery, All Glory Goes To him for the Sacrifice that he made you don't get any credit without him your worse than a stinking Pile of Dirt
My fear of the LORD is not based on ability...it is something that the LORD has instilled in me supernaturally. If you don't have the fear of the LORD in you, maybe you should ask Him to give it to you. It would mean that you have eternal security beyond any shadow of a doubt if you asked and He gave.
2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that all scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, and for correction in righteousness.Speak for yourself I Have Fear of God But I am not silly enough to say it contributes to salvation, I notice you get alot of doctrine from OT The ot has been fullfilled We are under the New Testament A mystery Reveiled to the church is we are under Grace, You say a lot of Good Things but some things I think you dont understand very well, as we all do... no one knows all Doctrine even tho some claim they can, Let God be true and every man a liar, If you want to do Good Do Good If you Have fear Fear If you want to Love more Good for you, But when you say it affects Salvation you just took Salvation off the Cross And in my opinion your on very dangerous Ground
2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that all scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, and for correction in righteousness.
2 Peter 1:3-4 tells us that we can lay hold of promises in the Old Testament and that they will be for our benefit.
Hebrews 8:8-10 tells us that even the law is written on the hearts and in the minds of New Covenant believers; the law is a part of the New Covenant therefore; and therefore what is written later saying that the Old Covenant is vanishing away does not refer to the law of God that is written on our hearts.
I would only suggest to you that you read and study out the verses that I have given to you.
There would be a unity in the church because of doctrines like what I have proposed here except for the fact that people are hard-hearted and don't want to accept them.
Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv), Psalms 19:9 (kjv) reconciles the contentions between eternal security and those who teach that you can lose your salvation.
It seems to me to be a crying shame that people don't latch on to this more readily; seeing that Calvinism and Arminianism are easily reconciled by these verses if you meditate upon them and think about their implications for these doctrines.
Having talked with both of you, I believe this disagreement comes down to a difference in terminology. Correct me if I wrong anywhere here--
Both of you agree on the following:
- Each of us humans has imperfections and the natural inclination to go against what the Lord commands. We can be prideful, lazy, etc.
- Before coming to Christ, at some point every person will make an action which against what the Lord commands.
- Coming to Christ doesn't give a person a license to break the Lord's commands whenever we want.
- After coming to Christ, at some point every person will make an action which against what the Lord commands.
- Said actions which go against the Lord's commands are wrong.
- Said actions can indeed be erased through the blood of Christ.
The difference is the term used for those actions that go against the Lord's commands. Myself and @Christophany both call these actions "sins". @CharismaticLady does not call them "sins". Different words being used, but extremely similar messages being intended.
Im not here to talk about me personally, but the doctrine of spiritual inability of men in general. Thats because by nature all men, me and you and anybody else in the whole wide world, are by nature dead in sin ! No spiritual ability, zero !What makes you think that you are spiritually alive?