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justbyfaith

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and you have asked similar questions as well, so that makes you guilty by association I guess.
What questions have I asked and where?

Are you certain you're not thinking of someone else?

I do not think that I promote Calvinism in the slightest...because I don't believe in it (though I do believe in one of its aspects...eternal security...not OSAS but POTS).
 

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What questions have I asked and where?

Are you certain you're not thinking of someone else?

I do not think that I promote Calvinism in the slightest...because I don't believe in it (though I do believe in one of its aspects...eternal security...not OSAS but POTS).

Personally, there are conditions, and I believe we are being saved, but we must endure to the end. 1 John 3:21-24.
 

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That answer Doesn't make sense to me, Help me understand if you will, What do you believe you are being saved from, and what must you endure to earn

Did you read the verses? 1 John 3:21-24

Mark 13:13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

1 John 3:13 Do not marvel if the world hates you.
 

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you just endorsed double predestination here

Pre-Destined Elect - simplified.

and this is straight out of calvinism

Pre-Destined Elect - simplified.
Guilty as charged...

Of course I was not thinking of Calvinism when I wrote those posts but was thinking of the Bible.

Which I suppose substantiates your point that you are not following Calvin but are seeking to go by what the Bible says.

I think that we have all been influenced by Calvin or Calvinistic authors to a certain degree; to the point that we may even preach his doctrine without even realizing it.
 
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Did you read the verses? 1 John 3:21-24

Mark 13:13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

1 John 3:13 Do not marvel if the world hates you.

I know the verses, I wanted to hear your opinion on the questions I asked, You have a habit of not answering questions So it makes dialogue quite boring and I give up...He who endures will be saved no doubt, it shows who was faking or not but you don't endure to be saved as an example, But without honest answers, we might as well just all say read your Bible chop-chop read your Bible put those hands up and read more Bible then we could be friends right
 

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I know the verses, I wanted to hear your opinion on the questions I asked, You have a habit of not answering questions So it makes dialogue quite boring and I give up...He who endures will be saved no doubt, it shows who was faking or not but you don't endure to be saved as an example, But without honest answers, we might as well just all say read your Bible chop-chop read your Bible put those hands up and read more Bible then we could be friends right

We've already been given a new nature that can partake of the divine nature of God. However, you CAN quench the Spirit and go back to the old flesh and become a slave to sin again. Thus, we must endure to the end in the divine nature, not the old man.

It is interesting that you chose to exemplify the scriptures that I gave you.
 

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We've already been given a new nature that can partake of the divine nature of God. However, you CAN quench the Spirit and go back to the old flesh and become a slave to sin again. Thus, we must endure to the end in the divine nature, not the old man.

It is interesting that you chose to exemplify the scriptures that I gave you.

Very Harsh....who could live up to your standard let me guess? only you, I didnt exemplify any Scriptures you better be careful with your acusations fake teach...your tactic is to dodge questions Try to put people beneath you and falsely raise yourself up, the mark of a false Teacher

How about 2 Timothy 3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers
 

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Did you read the verses? 1 John 3:21-24

Mark 13:13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

1 John 3:13 Do not marvel if the world hates you.
Also Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14.

These verses are qualified by Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5, and Ephesians 4:30.

Since we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit, we are motivated by His influence within us to continue in His goodness (Romans 11:20-22; 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17).

His fear in us keeps us from departing from Him for ever more (Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv), Psalms 19:9 (kjv)).

This means that the fact that no one can snatch us out of His hand means that we can never lose our salvation as long as we have this fear (which endureth for ever): because if we have this fear we will not walk away from Him.
 
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Very Harsh....who could live up to your standard let me guess? only you, I didnt exemplify any Scriptures you better be careful with your acusations fake teach...your tactic is to dodge questions Try to put people beneath you and falsely raise yourself up, the mark of a false Teacher

How about 2 Timothy 3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers
I have only seen @CharismaticLady bear good fruit.
 

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I have only seen @CharismaticLady bear good fruit.

Do You have to butt into every conversation, She and you are to be marked as false teachers as you both claim to be teachers but you deny 1 John 1 8-9 so the truth isn't in you

This means that the fact that no one can snatch us out of His hand means that we can never lose our salvation as long as we have this fear (which endureth for ever): because if we have this fear we will not walk away from Him.

You just Put your Salvation on your ability, You are taking Credit For Salvation by your ability to have fear big mistake, Salvation Was Accomplished By Jesus Blood That he Shed At Calvery, All Glory Goes To him for the Sacrifice that he made you don't get any credit without him your worse than a stinking Pile of Dirt
 

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Do You have to butt into every conversation, She and you are to be marked as false teachers as you both claim to be teachers but you deny 1 John 1 8-9 so the truth isn't in you

I do not deny 1 John 1:8-9.

I just know that it does not say, "If we say that we do no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."

It says something slightly different (read it again).

It is talking about indwelling sin rather than practical sinning. Otherwise it is in contradiction to 1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6, and 1 John 2:17.

Here again is my doctrine:

We all have sin indwelling our mortal flesh (1 John 1:8); however that element of sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

You just Put your Salvation on your ability, You are taking Credit For Salvation by your ability to have fear big mistake, Salvation Was Accomplished By Jesus Blood That he Shed At Calvery, All Glory Goes To him for the Sacrifice that he made you don't get any credit without him your worse than a stinking Pile of Dirt

Look at the scriptures in question. Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv) & Psalms 19:9 (kjv) not only answers a common argument against eternal security in John 10:27-30, it also reconciles the verses commonly used against eternal security with verses that substantiate it.

My fear of the LORD is not based on ability...it is something that the LORD has instilled in me supernaturally. If you don't have the fear of the LORD in you, maybe you should ask Him to give it to you. It would mean that you have eternal security beyond any shadow of a doubt if you asked and He gave.
 

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My fear of the LORD is not based on ability...it is something that the LORD has instilled in me supernaturally. If you don't have the fear of the LORD in you, maybe you should ask Him to give it to you. It would mean that you have eternal security beyond any shadow of a doubt if you asked and He gave.

Speak for yourself I Have Fear of God But I am not silly enough to say it contributes to salvation, I notice you get alot of doctrine from OT The ot has been fullfilled We are under the New Testament A mystery Reveiled to the church is we are under Grace, You say a lot of Good Things but some things I think you dont understand very well, as we all do... no one knows all Doctrine even tho some claim they can, Let God be true and every man a liar, If you want to do Good Do Good If you Have fear Fear If you want to Love more Good for you, But when you say it affects Salvation you just took Salvation off the Cross And in my opinion your on very dangerous Ground
 

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Speak for yourself I Have Fear of God But I am not silly enough to say it contributes to salvation, I notice you get alot of doctrine from OT The ot has been fullfilled We are under the New Testament A mystery Reveiled to the church is we are under Grace, You say a lot of Good Things but some things I think you dont understand very well, as we all do... no one knows all Doctrine even tho some claim they can, Let God be true and every man a liar, If you want to do Good Do Good If you Have fear Fear If you want to Love more Good for you, But when you say it affects Salvation you just took Salvation off the Cross And in my opinion your on very dangerous Ground
2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that all scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, and for correction in righteousness.

2 Peter 1:3-4 tells us that we can lay hold of promises in the Old Testament and that they will be for our benefit.

Hebrews 8:8-10 tells us that even the law is written on the hearts and in the minds of New Covenant believers; the law is a part of the New Covenant therefore; and therefore what is written later saying that the Old Covenant is vanishing away does not refer to the law of God that is written on our hearts.

I would only suggest to you that you read and study out the verses that I have given to you.

There would be a unity in the church because of doctrines like what I have proposed here except for the fact that people are hard-hearted and don't want to accept them.

Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv), Psalms 19:9 (kjv) reconciles the contentions between eternal security and those who teach that you can lose your salvation.

It seems to me to be a crying shame that people don't latch on to this more readily; seeing that Calvinism and Arminianism are easily reconciled by these verses if you meditate upon them and think about their implications for these doctrines.
 

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2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that all scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, and for correction in righteousness.

2 Peter 1:3-4 tells us that we can lay hold of promises in the Old Testament and that they will be for our benefit.

Hebrews 8:8-10 tells us that even the law is written on the hearts and in the minds of New Covenant believers; the law is a part of the New Covenant therefore; and therefore what is written later saying that the Old Covenant is vanishing away does not refer to the law of God that is written on our hearts.

I would only suggest to you that you read and study out the verses that I have given to you.

There would be a unity in the church because of doctrines like what I have proposed here except for the fact that people are hard-hearted and don't want to accept them.

Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv), Psalms 19:9 (kjv) reconciles the contentions between eternal security and those who teach that you can lose your salvation.

It seems to me to be a crying shame that people don't latch on to this more readily; seeing that Calvinism and Arminianism are easily reconciled by these verses if you meditate upon them and think about their implications for these doctrines.

Yes there is also 2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

I do Read the verses but to be honest, they don't always relate to the point you are trying to make, Other times you throw like 8 verses and at one point and just takes to much effort to repsond to it all, It reminds me of the Jws that knock at the door, you make a point then they throw lots of verses around out of context then change the subject... Make it as hard as possible to talk about a specific point

Unity in the church Shouldnt be based on doctrines like what you have proposed, Unity Should be in Chirst And in the Gospel, Which is the contention that makes me respond to almost every post i do,Look If you agreed with what I said there would be no contention.... see easy :)

A verse that gets alot upset 1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
 
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Having talked with both of you, I believe this disagreement comes down to a difference in terminology. Correct me if I wrong anywhere here--

Both of you agree on the following:
- Each of us humans has imperfections and the natural inclination to go against what the Lord commands. We can be prideful, lazy, etc.
- Before coming to Christ, at some point every person will make an action which against what the Lord commands.
- Coming to Christ doesn't give a person a license to break the Lord's commands whenever we want.
- After coming to Christ, at some point every person will make an action which against what the Lord commands.
- Said actions which go against the Lord's commands are wrong.
- Said actions can indeed be erased through the blood of Christ.

The difference is the term used for those actions that go against the Lord's commands. Myself and @Christophany both call these actions "sins". @CharismaticLady does not call them "sins". Different words being used, but extremely similar messages being intended.

In reality, the difference is with those on a fleshy thinking vs. those using spiritual thinking.

In the below Scripture, which verse is actually the 'key' verse point Lord Jesus was trying to get across?

John 3:5-7
5 Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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If you listen to men's theories, using a fleshy thinking, you'll go around in circles with that "born again" idea, constantly arguing what that "born again", and being born of water and of the Spirit idea means.

But the 'key' verse there is verse 6, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit". What does that mean? It means our makeup God created us with has two main parts, a flesh body and a spirit part (soul with spirit are together). Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 revealed back in the Old Testament that those two parts are held together while we are alive by a "silver cord". And when that silver cord is severed at flesh death, then our flesh goes back to the ground where it came from, and our spirit goes back to God Who gave it.

What that means is, our spirit (with soul) is NOT our flesh. Those are two totally different operations per God's creation, even though they are linked together while alive on earth. So then, our spirit inside our flesh is what MUST be "born again", being 'quickened' by The Spirit. Our flesh is not what is quickened, for it is already doomed to perish forever, for the resurrection is not to another flesh body, but to a "spiritual body" like Apostle Paul taught in 1 Cor.15.

So all of man's long philosophical words about being 'born again' using a fleshy mentality is all for nought. The fact that our spirit can only be born of The Spirit casts all those theories by men out the window.
 

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What makes you think that you are spiritually alive?
Im not here to talk about me personally, but the doctrine of spiritual inability of men in general. Thats because by nature all men, me and you and anybody else in the whole wide world, are by nature dead in sin ! No spiritual ability, zero !