No. (Did God Ever Intend an Eternity in the Garden?)
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No prophecy of Scripture came about by private interpretation of Scripture but men spoke as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
So then really the law consigns a man to sin to prove to him he's powerless against it?
2nd Timothy Group
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This may not seem like an answer to your question, but all of this, even the pain and the chaos was set into place, so that, after God places a new heart and spirit into His Chosen Ones, the Power and Glory will magnify Him. There is nothing more Powerful a thing that He can do, than to right the wrongs that [are] His Holy Plans.
When we realized that we are like rats in a maze with no exit other than death, it will be difficult to know our Bible. God has a Plan, and we're in the middle of it at this very moment. All things are under His Supreme Control.
Daniel 2:21-22 NLT - "He controls the course of world events; he removes kings and sets up other kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the scholars. 22 He reveals deep and mysterious things and knows what lies hidden in darkness, though he is surrounded by light."
Daniel 2:21-22 KJV - "And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: 22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what [is] in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him."
Unless God reveals His Mysterious Plan to a person, they cannot know or understand His Holy Word. The Plan is very simple to see if we would stop making things so utterly difficult by focusing on issues that have nothing to do with the Plan. Becoming lost in minutia is what keeps the Lord's Plan a total Mystery. We don't need to know culture, customs, nor any of that, because it has nothing to do with the point and Purpose of the Bible . . . to Purify a persons Heart so that they would be acceptable to God. That . . . is all that matters. If we do not seek a Purified Heart, all other things are considered a loss.
Philippians 3:7-8 NIV - "But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ . . ."
It will not be until we apply Phil 3:7,8 and relate it to the concept of the Circumcised Heart, the Bible just won't make sense. "For the Sake of Christ, meaning the obtaining of His Holy Operation. All things are nothing, if we do not receive His Holy Operation, performed by His Spiritual Hands . . . nothing else.
Colossians 2:12 KJV - "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." - Yes, the KJV specifically indicates a Holy Operation.
Who of you have received this Holy Operation, and how can you [know] that you have received it? This Operation of God is what produces the Romans 12:2 Transformation.
Has anyone been totally Transformed into a New Creation? If so, please stand up and tell us how you know that you are a completely New Creation, and that the Old has been replaced?
Who has changed? Who wants to change? Who is changing?
So then the commandment, thou shalt not eat...bound Eve to eat. Being bound beforehand, by the commandment not to eat, Adam was predisposed to eat when Eve gave. Yes?
2nd Timothy Group
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Not quite, because sin (the Mind of Satan), had not yet entered the Garden. It wasn't until sin entered the Garden that Satan, the father of lies, fooled eve into doing what she was told not to do. It is important to remember that they had no Holy Spirit to guide them. They had no Advocate. They were without the Divine Nature so as to lead them into Righteousness.
We are all predisposed to be as we are . . . there is nothing we can do about it.
James 4:13-17 NLT - "Look here, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we are going to a certain town and will stay there a year. We will do business there and make a profit." 14 How do you know what your life will be like tomorrow? Your life is like the morning fog--it's here a little while, then it's gone. 15 What you ought to say is, "If the Lord wants us to, we will live and do this or that." 16 Otherwise you are boasting about your own plans, and all such boasting is evil. 17 Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it."
More importantly, it is the Heavenly Scrolls that demonstrate that God is in total control, even over the life events of owls and falcons. The Plan of God cannot be overthrown. If the life events of owls and falcons are determined (protected so as to arrive on time), how much more for humanity?
Isaiah 34:14-17 NIV - "Desert creatures will meet with hyenas, and wild goats will bleat to each other; there the night creatures will also lie down and find for themselves places of rest. 15 The owl will nest there and lay eggs, she will hatch them, and care for her young under the shadow of her wings; there also the falcons will gather, each with its mate. 16 Look in the scroll of the LORD and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together. 17 He allots their portions; his hand distributes them by measure. They will possess it forever and dwell there from generation to generation."
We are rats in a maze with no escape other than death. God is in full, 100% control and there is nothing we can do about it. Does not the life of Job reflect this exact principle?
Job 14:5 NET - "Since man's days are determined, the number of his months is under your control; you have set his limit and he cannot pass it."
Isaiah 55:8-9 NET - 8 "Indeed, my plans are not like your plans, and my deeds are not like your deeds, 9 for just as the sky is higher than the earth, so my deeds are superior to your deeds and my plans superior to your plans."
Isaiah 14:26-27 NIV - 26 This is the plan determined for the whole world; this is the hand stretched out over all nations. 27 For the LORD Almighty has purposed, and who can thwart him? His hand is stretched out, and who can turn it back?
To the one who realizes that we are not in control, even of our own lives, these are the ones who will ascend to the Mysterious Plan of God. However, most want to believe that they direct their own ways. Impossible. Think about it . . . if the Sin Nature causes us to disobey, how are we in control of that? And if it is the Divine Nature that causes us to obey, how are we in control of that?
A human can only have one of two fathers, and depending on that father, we will either think like the Devil or like the Son, Jesus. We are not our own . . . for we have been bought at a price.
I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. I have catalogued hundreds of separate passages, not verses, that outline the Plan, Power, and Responsibility of the Lord, all in an Excel Workbook. Overall, I have catalogued over 5,000 passage sets, and have even created a dictionary / encyclopedia for myself . . . with my own words, so as to easily find all points of topic and discussion, at times, within seconds.
Folks . . . do as I have done, which is start reading the Bible and begin cataloguing all of these things. It is possible . . . if I can do it, anyone can. This is what it means to continuously seek, ask, and knock. These never stop.
Ecclesiastes 12:9 NLT - "Keep this in mind: The Teacher was considered wise, and he taught the people everything he knew. He listened carefully to many proverbs, studying and classifying them."
2nd Timothy Group
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God is in control of All Things. All Things.
Isaiah 46:10-13 NLT - "Only I can tell you the future before it even happens. Everything I plan will come to pass, for I do whatever I wish. 11 I will call a swift bird of prey from the east--a leader from a distant land to come and do my bidding. I have said what I would do, and I will do it. 12 "Listen to me, you stubborn people who are so far from doing right. 13 For I am ready to set things right, not in the distant future, but right now! I am ready to save Jerusalem and show my glory to Israel."
This "Glory" is His Power. As said, I can post Scriptures like this alllllll day long.
Isaiah 46:10-13 NLT - "Only I can tell you the future before it even happens. Everything I plan will come to pass, for I do whatever I wish. 11 I will call a swift bird of prey from the east--a leader from a distant land to come and do my bidding. I have said what I would do, and I will do it. 12 "Listen to me, you stubborn people who are so far from doing right. 13 For I am ready to set things right, not in the distant future, but right now! I am ready to save Jerusalem and show my glory to Israel."
This "Glory" is His Power. As said, I can post Scriptures like this alllllll day long.
2nd Timothy Group
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Absolutely.
Psalm 143:10 NLT - "Teach me to do your will, for you are my God. May your gracious Spirit lead me forward on a firm footing."
1 John 2:27 NLT - "But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ."
Well folks, I'm about tired of going round and round with brothers and sisters who are, for the most part, seeing different things. This means, of course . . . We're not really helping each other see the "Light."
I'm taking a break.
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