Is Jesus the WORD?

user said:

First, Welcome to the forum.

Jesus is both the "Tabernacle" AND the Spirit that dwells within it.
He is the High Priest AND the Sacrificial Lamb.
The First AND the Last / Beginning AND the End.

Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

There is only one (1) Almighty, and HE is not a trinity.

Keep up the good work.
God Bless!

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BINGO, and another BINGO.
USER, you're 100% correct.

I want that first part to stand out because many christian miss this which is KEY, listen to what USER posted,

"Jesus is both the "Tabernacle" AND the Spirit that dwells within it."
do any know what USER just said? now I don't know what belief you have on the Godhead, which you clearly stated that it's one God ... that is correct. but 101G, I'm sure by now know that I'm a Diversified Oneness, and not a Oneness, a big difference.

but in your post, yes, Jesus is Both the Son of God the flesh/the Tabernacle, and the Son of Man/the Spirit/spirit/diversified. meaning God in "NATURAL FLESH" as the Diversity or the G243 allos of his OWNSELF in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state as,as, a man... yet his nature is eternal, in that which of the G243 allos that is not Shared in Natural flesh. that's why in John 3:13 he can be in heaven without flesh, without bone and without blood eternally, and at the same time be on Earth in a body of flesh, and bone, with blood. listen, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." John 3:13 (kjv).

knowing that, we will put this in a definition that many might comprehend, it is the term we use to describe God, "ETERNAL", yet shared in flesh as a man, as " the Intrinsic Spatial", if one don't know these two terms, then look them up or ask.... we're introducting you to two new word that will increase your understanding of "Diversified Oneness". Intrinsic Spatial describs what John 3:13 is saying.

I must say USER post is LOADED with information, that we want to take this post one step at a time. User, I must copy this post for future reference. I hope you don't mind.

and you keep up the Good work... and God bless you.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

JohnDB said:

In verse 14 it says that "The Word became flesh..."
Yes...Jesus is God.
And his name "Emmanuel" which means "God with us" is also another big clue.

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So I'm supposed to believe that the one who was called Emmanuel during the time of king Ahaz is God simply because his name is Emmanuel

Ronald Nolette said:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

There is a difference biblically from "The Word" and the words spoken by Jesus!

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Yes a night and day difference as One is a Person who is God and the other what is spoken.

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

So I'm supposed to believe that the one who was called Emmanuel during the time of king Ahaz is God simply because his name is Emmanuel

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No...(of course not...but I love the spoon you are using to stir the pot)
And for those who don't know the Old Testament well could you please explain and provide the exact scripture quotes for them to see?

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

So I'm supposed to believe that the one who was called Emmanuel during the time of king Ahaz is God simply because his name is Emmanuel

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Of course, Jesus was given the honourary name of Emmanuel because He was indeed "God with us." We know that the name that He was given at birth was JESUS (Matthew 1:21).

sho said:

The word was in the flesh, but it was not the flesh. Yeshua himself said, the father who is in him is the WORD.
Why don't you believe him?

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don't be a putz, one should know that what Jesus says is in context of everything else He says. He being the Word takes no credit because the Word is of God.

a person is, that person speaks (their word that is of them) in the presence of themselves. hence the Word is not of itself, it is of who spoke it in this case God the Father.

JohnDB said:

No...(of course not...but I love the spoon you are using to stir the pot)
And for those who don't know the Old Testament well could you please explain and provide the exact scripture quotes for them to see?

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The point I'm trying to make is that simply because Jesus has the name Immanuel in Isaiah 9:6 doesn't mean he was God on Earth. People who believe in the Trinity are always trying to use Isaiah 9:6 to prove Jesus is God. But the scriptures at Isaiah 7: 1-6 and Isaiah 7: 13-16 show that there was a time of trouble during king Ahaz time and God gave them a sign to let them know that they should not worry about this trouble:

Isaiah 7:13-16- Isaiah then said: “Listen, please, O house of David. Is it not enough that you try the patience of men? Must you also try the patience of God?+ 14 Therefore, Jehovah himself will give you a sign: Look! The young woman will become pregnant and will give birth to a son,+ and she will name him Im·manʹu·el.+ 15 He will eat butter and honey by the time that he knows how to reject the bad and choose the good. 16 For before the boy knows how to reject the bad and choose the good, the land of the two kings whom you dread will be completely be abandoned.+
I'm not going to believe this child was God on Earth just because he was given the name Immanuel.

With the coming of his beloved Son to earth as the promised Messianic “seed” (Ge 3:15) and rightful heir to the throne of David, Jehovah was furnishing his greatest sign that he had not forsaken mankind or his Kingdom covenant. The title-name Immanuel, therefore, was particularly appropriate to Christ, for his presence was indeed a sign from heaven. And with this foremost representative of Jehovah among mankind, Matthew under inspiration could truly say, “With Us Is God.” It doesn't mean Jesus is God, it means Jesus who is The Only Begotten Son of God is a sign that Jehovah God is working through his Only Begotten Son Jesus not that Jesus and Jehovah are both The Only True God.

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

that simply because Jesus has the name Immanuel in Isaiah 9:6

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Actually, that is In Isaiah 7:14.

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

People who believe in the Trinity are always trying to use Isaiah 9:6 to prove Jesus is God.

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That's because Isaiah 9:6 does prove that Jesus is God. Your only way out of this is to heap for yourself teachers to tell you what your itching ears want to hear; and to change the wording of this scripture in the kjv, not once, but twice.

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

It doesn't mean Jesus is God,

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Actually it does if you take into account every other scripture in the Bible on this subject.

sho said:

Yeshua says that the Father who dwells in him is the Word. John 1:14 says the WORD dwells on earth. That means Yeshua is the temple and the Father is the Word.
The bible says clearly: The father is the WORD.

The WORD that I speak to you is not me, but the Father who dwells in me, he is it.

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Jesus was God in flesh. The word made flesh.


John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

...14.The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

WaterSong said:

Jesus was God in flesh. The word made flesh.


John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

...14.The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

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I know....I know
You showed up late to the party, rushed through the door and said "Happy birthday and blow out the candles!" but then the sight of all the torn wrapping paper and the half eaten cake gave you the clue you were a bit later to the party than you thought.

But the sentiment is appreciated just the same.

sho said:

Yeshua says that the Father who dwells in him is the Word. John 1:14 says the WORD dwells on earth. That means Yeshua is the temple and the Father is the Word.
The bible says clearly: The father is the WORD.

The WORD that I speak to you is not me, but the Father who dwells in me, he is it.

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The actual citation is:


The Father is not "the Word" (John 1:1), but the Father is the One ("God") who was "with" the "Word":
Do not confuse "the word/s" (that which is said/spoken/written) with "the Word" (a Person).

sho said:

The word was in the flesh, but it was not the flesh. Yeshua himself said, the father who is in him is the WORD.
Why don't you believe him?

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True. God begat himself upon Mary because God is the creator of all that exists. And all that exists is both of God, from God, and is indwelt by God.

For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together (Colossians 1:16~17)

ReChoired said:

The actual citation is:

Joh_14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 14:10 ου πιστευεις οτι εγω εν τω πατρι και ο πατηρ εν εμοι εστιν τα ρηματα α εγω λαλω υμιν απ εμαυτου ου λαλω ο δε πατηρ ο εν εμοι μενων αυτος ποιει τα εργα​

The Father is not "the Word" (John 1:1), but the Father is the One ("God") who was "with" the "Word":

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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Do not confuse "the word/s" (that which is said/spoken/written) with "the Word" (a Person).

1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.​

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There is one God, even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6); and therefore when it says that the Word was God it is saying that the Word was the Father.

Hope this helps.

justbyfaith said:

Actually, that is In Isaiah 7:14.



That's because Isaiah 9:6 does prove that Jesus is God. Your only way out of this is to heap for yourself teachers to tell you what your itching ears want to hear; and to change the wording of this scripture in the kjv, not once, but twice.



Actually it does if you take into account every other scripture in the Bible on this subject.

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The thing it proves is that Jesus isn't God just because symbolically he had the name Immanuel. Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God and is the seed of Genesis 3:15. Those who believe in the Trinity are so desperate to believe it to be scriptural will twist scripture and take scripture out of context to try and prove it. Now that's what I call having itching ears.

justbyfaith said:

There is one God, even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6); and therefore when it says that the Word was God it is saying that the Word was the Father.

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I agree. The following are three different accounts of the very same subject matter, which further shows us that the ONE ETERNAL Spirit functions as Father, Son AND Holy Ghost...


Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
[18] And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
[19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[20] For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
[10] And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
[11] But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
[13] And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
[14] Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
[15] For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.


Keep up the good work.
God Bless!

BARNEY BRIGHT said:

The thing it proves is that Jesus isn't God just because symbolically he had the name Immanuel. Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God and is the seed of Genesis 3:15. Those who believe in the Trinity are so desperate to believe it to be scriptural will twist scripture and take scripture out of context to try and prove it. Now that's what I call having itching ears.

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The New World Translation was created in the early 20th, late 19th century...by teachers who wanted to deny the Trinity. That was their purpose for creating it. Salvation did not come to the church at that time in history; it came in the first century A.D. when Jesus died upon the Cross.

You have been told that if you continue to deny the Deity of Christ, you will die in your sins. I don't know what else I can do for you other than that. If you won't heed the warning then maybe the Lord wants me to dust off my feet and bring the gospel to others.

As a matter of fact, I believe that you have been given a first and second warning. But since these things have not been official as concerning the present moments, I give you my first admonition now. If you do not repent of your denial of the truth of this doctrine, you will be rejected as a heretic. Don't worry....the penalty for such things is not as severe today as it was in the old days...however, just know that you will have a mark on your name hereafter if you continue to reject the faithful doctrine of Christ's Deity. I do this in obedience to Titus 3:10-11.

101G said:

is this one person or two persons?

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

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John 1:1 speaks of two Persons, [1] The Word (Jesus, John 1:14,17) who is "God" (John 1:1c; Genesis 1:7), but the "Word" is not "God" (John 1:1b) the Person of the Father (Genesis 1:6). In effect, "God" (The Word, Person of the Son) was "with" "God" (The Ancient of Days; The Person of the Father).

justbyfaith said:

There is one God, even the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6); and therefore when it says that the Word was God it is saying that the Word was the Father.

Hope this helps.

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No. You misunderstood 1 Corinthians 8:6. It is an expansion of Deuteronomy 6:4.


When 1 Corinthians 8:6 says "one Lord" (Jesus Christ), it is a reference to Deuteronomy 6:4, wherein the name JEHOVAH (Lord) appears.

Paul is referring to the Two Persons (Father and Son), which are Deity in nature (thus John 1:1, etc., where both the Father and the Son are "God" (Deity in Nature)). The Holy Ghost/Spirit (Third Person, Deity) is addressed elsewhere.

It refers, as does John 1:1, to Genesis, in which the Person of the Father ("God") "Said" unto the Son ("God"), which "made" all things on behalf of the Father (Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:1-3, etc), and the Father is the "God" (Lord, Ruler, Father, Leader) of the Son (the Apostle, Hebrews 3:1 of the Father), even as He says in John 20:17.

ReChoired said:

No. You misunderstood 1 Corinthians 8:6.

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Did not. I compared it to John 1:1 like 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv) says to do as the biblical hermeneutic

ReChoired said:

The Holy Ghost/Spirit (Third Person, Deity) is addressed elsewhere.

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There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4) and the Father is that Spirit (John 4:23-24). The Holy Ghost is also that Spirit (John 7:39).

Of course the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father (John 15:26) and is distinct from the Father in that He has lived a human life (see Luke 23:46). But they are in fact the same Spirit; for the Spirit that dwelt in Jesus Christ was indeed the Father (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11).

You kind of have to read the verses in question rather than reading it without the verses in order to get the full message.