What wisdom is this?

Ziggy · Nov 17, 2020

About 50 AD, while on his second missionary journey, Paul the Apostle reasoned with the Jews from the Scriptures in this city's chief synagogue on three Sabbaths and sowed the seeds for Thessaloniki's first Christian church. During Paul's time in the city, both Jews and Greeks came to believe the Gospel, as well as some of the city's leading women. However, because the remaining Jews at the synagogue were furious with Paul for what he'd done in their community and were also furious with those who had come to believe Paul's message, the Apostle and his traveling companions, Silas and Timothy, were eventually sent out of Thessaloniki during the night by the new Christian converts. From there the church planters went to Veroia, aka Berea, where the people in that city also heard and believed the Gospel. This so enraged the Thessalonian Jews when they found out what Paul and his companions had done, the Jews went to Berea and persecuted the evangelists in that city also. The three men eventually continued their travels and ministry; and, Paul wrote two letters to the new church at Thessaloniki, probably between 51 and 53, the First Epistle to the Thessalonians and the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians. These letters were to encourage the new believers to persist in the faith in the face of strong opposition, to encourage personal sanctification, to encourage them about those who had "fallen asleep," yet to warn about the Lord returning as a "thief in the night" and to correct incorrect thinking about the coming Antichrist, among writing about other important matters.[1]

Paul met with local disciples in Tyre for one week while the ship he was on was unloading in the city's port.
When Apostle Paul came to this city (Tyre), it was neither in the glorious state described in the prophecies of Ezekiel and Isaiah, (Ezekiel 26 - 27, Isaiah 23) when "its merchants were princes, and its traffickers the honorable of the earth," nor in the abject desolation in which it now fulfils those prophecies, being "a place to spread nets upon," and showing only the traces of its maritime supremacy in its ruined mole . . .

"In honor of its ancient greatness, the Romans gave it the name of a free city (a city which, though under Rome, was permitted to have their own laws plus other privileges like making their own coins); and it still commanded some commerce, for its manufactures of glass and purple were not yet decayed . . ." (ibid., section on Tyre).

Some of the brethren in Tyre, inspired by God, warned him to stay away of the dangers that awaited him in Jerusalem (Acts 21:4). The apostle would not be deterred, however, in his goal of reaching the city in time to keep the Day of Pentecost (20:16).
After a group of Tyre brethren, including women and children, prayed with him on the shore, Paul got back on his ship and left for the port city of Ptolemais (21:5 - 7).

So Paul was still keeping the feasts then.

Just looking at the cultural surroundings we don't see in the bible.
Hugs

Ziggy · Nov 17, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Luke 3:16-17 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire: [17] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

That was explained in Acts. That John was baptizing for repentence. When Jesus came they were told to Baptize in the NAME of the Jesus Christ.

And it was Jesus who was to be baptized with fire... what baptism is this?

Mat 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

VictoryinJesus · Nov 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

So Paul was given a different mission that didn't include baptism?

I mean even the eunuch was baptized.. so it wasn't a gentile thing.

Hugs

Honestly I do not know much of baptism. Or the difference only the dead and buried with him, raised up with him to walk in newness of Life. Going under in death and raised up into
life. Loved your dead men walking post you made a while back on another thread. There was so much insight in it and wish I could find it again to save it. For me whenever talking to someone about the parable of the stony ground or the OT where God said He would remove the Stone...there becomes this disconnect where immediately the stone doesn’t apply to all. Why then do all wait for the stone of great heaviness to be removed. If it doesn’t apply to all then not all have a stone that needs to be removed before coming out of the tomb into Life.

see Jesus Christ in Peter, John, but also Paul. Yet can also see Him in the oddest places like Samson or when the woman was made to drink the bitter water Numbers 5:28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.

Honestly I do not see a thing you are claiming of Paul. Do not see he was all for the things of confusion but instead, maybe by his understanding what it was like to not spare the flock ...warned of those coming in to do just that. 2 Corinthians 12:18-21 I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? walked we not in the same spirit? walked we not in the same steps? [19] Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying. [20] For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults all confusion) [21] And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

VictoryinJesus · Nov 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
When Jesus came they were told to Baptize in the NAME of the Jesus Christ.

so why fault Paul after Christ was revealed to him for saying I wasn’t sent to baptize but to preach the gospel and baptism ‘in the name of Jesus Christ.’?

Ziggy · Nov 17, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
so why fault Paul after Christ was revealed to him for saying I wasn’t sent to baptize but to preach the gospel and baptism ‘in the name of Jesus Christ.’?

That's my point...
Was it?

VictoryinJesus · Nov 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
That's my point...
Was it?

okay. Maybe I do not understand your point then.

VictoryinJesus · Nov 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
That's my point...
Was it?

going to have to leave both threads. Honestly I’m frustrated...not with you but with not understanding. I do not understand how people can push the law and the ten commandment then ignore them.

You must not give false evidence against your neighbour. Frustrated because how does this no apply to Paul? Saying he has no witness (even though the Lord stood by him, and delivered him out of evil) but then claiming our witness is more. So you’ve present your evidence. The Pharisees maybe would have said the same thing ...this man is a murderer. This man persecuted the way and wasted the church why listen to thing this man has to say about being delivered out from the former conversation of the world.

You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.

Whether evidence is false or not, remains unseen.

Ziggy · Nov 17, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
going to have to leave both threads. Honestly I’m frustrated...not with you but with not understanding. I do not understand how people can push the law and the ten commandment then ignore them.

You must not give false evidence against your neighbour. Frustrated because how does this no apply to Paul? Saying he has no witness (even though the Lord stood by him, and delivered him out of evil) but then claiming our witness is more. So you’ve present your evidence. The Pharisees maybe would have said the same thing ...this man is a murderer. This man persecuted the way and wasted the church why listen to thing this man has to say about being delivered out from the former conversation of the world.

You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.

Whether evidence is false or not, remains unseen.

I don't believe it was the Lord who spoke to Paul in that shining light.
I believe it was Satan.
Is that plain enough?

I'm sorry I am avoiding coming right out and beating around the bush.
I know this is going to offend a lot of people..
and I'm sorry for that..
However it is what I believe.
HUGS

VictoryinJesus · Nov 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
I don't believe it was the Lord who spoke to Paul in that shining light.
I believe it was Satan.
Is that plain enough?

I'm sorry I am avoiding coming right out and beating around the bush.
I know this is going to offend a lot of people..
and I'm sorry for that..
However it is what I believe.
HUGS

wouldn’t be offended if that were the case. But so far you haven’t shared why you think this unless I’ve missed it. why would Satan though ask Saul why he persecuted him? And say: I am He which you persecute?

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

GTW27 · Nov 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
I don't believe it was the Lord who spoke to Paul in that shining light.
I believe it was Satan.
Is that plain enough?

I'm sorry I am avoiding coming right out and beating around the bush.
I know this is going to offend a lot of people..
and I'm sorry for that..
However it is what I believe.
HUGS

"I don't believe it was the Lord who spoke to Paul in that shining light.
I believe it was Satan.
Is that plain enough?"

Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed about him. And he fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" And he said, "Who are you Lord?" And He said, I AM Jesus, whom you are persecuting; but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do."

Ziggy · Nov 17, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
wouldn’t be offended if that were the case. But so far you haven’t shared why you think this unless I’ve missed it. why would Satan though ask Saul why he persecuted him? And say: I am He which you persecute?

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

I shared a video, maybe it's in the other thread..
It's about the King of Tyre, named Lucifer.
Light bringer..
He wants to create a people, a kingdom that is adverse to God's.
What I see in Paul's writing is a drawing away of Israel to the Gentiles,
rather than the gentiles being drawn to Israel.

It's a spiritual war.
And the only thing we have is the Word.
And I see a conflict between Jesus and Paul.

I'm going over all the OT and comparing it with the NT.
And while some things in Paul's letters are consistant, some are not.
Particularly the law, and the ordinances of Baptism which Jesus imposed.
When you travel with Paul he is putting in his own ordinances,
how women should dress, or teach,

for instance, Paul says all the ordinances have been nailed to the cross and then implements his own:

1Co 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

And so we have the Priesthood and the "judgement" of celibacy.. that is No where in the OT.

1Co 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
1Co 7:26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.

1Co 7:35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.

But Paul it did become a snare.. A very nasty nasty snare.. and the ones hurt by this little instruction has destroyed
many childrens lives.

It's just the little things..

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Did God say you must keep his commandments?
and the serpent said.. let me fix that for ya.

Just how I hear it..
Paul is setting up his own following, his own kingdom.
And that's what we call the Holy Roman Catholic church.
and that split into hundreds of other little .. places of confusion.

According to the New Testament book Acts of the Apostles (often simply called Acts), Paul participated in the persecution of the "embryonic Christian movement,"[11] more Hellenised diaspora Jewish members,[12] in the area of Jerusalem, prior to his conversion.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Ziggy · Nov 17, 2020

GTW27 said:
"I don't believe it was the Lord who spoke to Paul in that shining light.
I believe it was Satan.
Is that plain enough?"

Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed about him. And he fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" And he said, "Who are you Lord?" And He said, I AM Jesus, whom you are persecuting; but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do."

Are you saying that the devil don't know his name?
Mat 8:29
And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Ziggy · Nov 17, 2020

GTW27 said:
"I don't believe it was the Lord who spoke to Paul in that shining light.
I believe it was Satan.
Is that plain enough?"

Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed about him. And he fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" And he said, "Who are you Lord?" And He said, I AM Jesus, whom you are persecuting; but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do."

Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

farouk · Nov 17, 2020

GTW27 said:
Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed about him. And he fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" And he said, "Who are you Lord?" And He said, I AM Jesus, whom you are persecuting; but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do."

@GTW27 It was indeed the Lord speaking.

Ziggy · Nov 17, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
“and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.” Could go round and round about this all day but that the Father choose to reveal the Son to Paul ...is enough (imo) unless we want to argue and debate all day whether it is fair or right whom the Father chooses to reveal the Son.

But this is reversed..
It is the son that reveals the Father.

Matthew 11:27-29 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Paul says what?
Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

And he continues on to Damascus where he was to get the letters to destroy the church.

Act 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
Act 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

He didn't go to the Apostles to "show" himself. Not like Jesus told the leper when he was healed to go show himself.

Mar 1:40 And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Mar 1:41 And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.
Mar 1:42 And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed.
Mar 1:43 And he straitly charged him, and forthwith sent him away;
Mar 1:44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Arabia = "desert or barren"

It was 3 years before Paul went to Jerusalem..

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

As Isaiah said,
“Rejoice, O childless woman,
you who have never given birth!
Break into a joyful shout,
you who have never been in labor!
For the desolate woman now has more children
than the woman who lives with her husband!”

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Why did Paul go to the desert rather than to Jerusalem?
After 3 years. here come those numbers of months again..

Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I'm just saying..
Hugs

friend of · Nov 17, 2020

I'm curious as to which Spirit told you that Paul was a wolf

Ziggy · Nov 17, 2020

friend of said:
I'm curious as to which Spirit told you that Paul was a wolf

His father Jacob.

Gen 49:27 Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.

Phl 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Yan · Nov 17, 2020

I was wondering, how if Jesus himself was treated as burnt offerings to witchcraft since he was born because Jesus had shown a sign of an eastern star in the day he was born (Matthew 2:1-12), Jesus was represent Abraham who also had an eastern star when Nimrod stargazed the coming of Abraham. So, if Abraham was treated as burnt offerrings to Eupherates gods (Beelzebub, Ifrit, Astarte) as Joshua told (Joshua 24:2), all prophets were treated as a burnt offerrings to azazel where Jesus (Matthew 2:10-11) had given a gift from persian watcher with frankincense where frankincense was used as mediator of witchcraft and sorcerer, no wonder when crucified Jesus was delivered onto azazel while Barabbas was saved (Leviticus 16; Matthew 27:16-26).
The question now, if Israelites knew Jesus was the annointed one why did all scribes and pharisees always accused Jesus as being possessed with evil spirit (Matthew 11:18; Mark 3:20-30; John 7:19-21; Luke 7:33; John 8:48-52; John 10:18-21) ?
Did the scribes & pharisees tempted Jesus with sorcery and witchcraft ?
Because they were seems to hide their sorcery to Jesus only to slandered him and to provoke people so that all people of Jerusalem hate him and all of his works ?
Because since Nimrod, the use of witchcraft and sorcery were used to measure the faith of people to God, where Plato himself was used witchcraft and sorcery as metaphysics study in science. Because whosoever called as annointed will be tested with them using sorcery and witchcraft (1 Timothy 3:7).

Ziggy · Nov 17, 2020

Yan said:
I was wondering, how if Jesus himself was treated as burnt offerings to witchcraft since he was born because Jesus had shown a sign of an eastern star in the day he was born (Matthew 2:1-12), Jesus was represent Abraham who also had an eastern star when Nimrod stargazed the coming of Abraham. So, if Abraham was treated as burnt offerrings to Eupherates gods (Beelzebub, Ifrit, Astarte) as Joshua told (Joshua 24:2), all prophets were treated as a burnt offerrings to azazel where Jesus (Matthew 2:10-11) had given a gift from persian watcher with frankincense where frankincense was used as mediator of witchcraft and sorcerer, no wonder when crucified Jesus was delivered onto azazel while Barabbas was saved (Leviticus 16; Matthew 27:16-26).
The question now, if Israelites knew Jesus was the annointed one why did all scribes and pharisees always accused Jesus as being possessed with evil spirit (Matthew 11:18; Mark 3:20-30; John 7:19-21; Luke 7:33; John 8:48-52; John 10:18-21) ?
Did the scribes & pharisees tempted Jesus with sorcery and witchcraft ?
Because they were seems to hide their sorcery to Jesus only to slandered him and to provoke people so that all people of Jerusalem hate him and all of his works ?
Because since Nimrod, the use of witchcraft and sorcery were used to measure the faith of people to God, where Plato himself was used witchcraft and sorcery as metaphysics study in science. Because whosoever called as annointed will be tested with them using sorcery and witchcraft (1 Timothy 3:7).

The scribes and Pharisees accused Jesus of Blasphemy for saying himself was God.
And that he cast out devils by Satan..
Jesus asked If I cast out devils by Satan, then who do you cast them out by?

Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Is this what you mean Yan?

Hugs

VictoryinJesus · Nov 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
But this is reversed..
It is the son that reveals the Father.

Matthew 11:27-29 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

my mistake. You are right.

I’ve been following along further down in the thread with your replies and do not deny you have some good points. Especially about
Genesis 49:27 Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.

Yet: Hebrews 10:31-34 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. [32] But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; [33] Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used. [34] For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

Proverbs 16:18-19 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. [19] Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

Going to insert some thoughts or questions here: Acts 9:1-12 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, (no denying this is before his conversion, yet again why would satan appear to ask to Saul why he persecuted him and not instead say ...continue what you are doing Saul, continue binding them and imprisonments until they pay every last mite)

2] And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. [3] And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: [4] And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [5] And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (You made a good point about his not knowing Him, but does that make the one who appeared or that light Satan...or the one asking “who are you” the one in question. Interesting Saul fell to the earth.)

[6] And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. [7] And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. [8] And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. [9] And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
[10] And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. (Do you think this was the Lord or Satan transforming himself into an angel of light?) if the Lord and not Satan transforming himself into an angel of light...then the Lord sent him to Saul. If Satan transforming himself into an angel of light ...does satan give sight to the blind?
John 10:19-21 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. [20] And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? [21] Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

So then moving on Acts 9:11-18 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, [12] And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight. [13] Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: [14] And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. [15] But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: [16] For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. [17] And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Spirit [18] And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

What wisdom is this?

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