Everyone one Christ gives repentance repents. Everyone God commands to repent will repent.
Dead in Sin !
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Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent"
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Nancy
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Were you too not dead in your sins before responding to the Gospel?? So sorry Brightframe but, I have had much dealings with the Calvinist views...also attended a reformed Baptist church for 3 years. No hope, no joy, just a wondering..."am I saved? Am I?? Or, am I destined for Hell no matter how much I seek Him? That is not the God I serve. YES...He is sovereign! Do you not think that He cannot bring His Will about without making robots?? Where is the freedom in Christ then?
Why evangelize even, if it is all said and done already? Of course God knows who will respond before they ever do so, can He not work ALL things to His good? Even the unregenerate?
My God is much more powerful than that. He uses the bad for His and our good.
I must say, I do not know how one can have joy knowing that their loved ones, children, friends might not be a part of the "ELECT". I think Calvinism is a doctrine of hell. Sorry but, that is the way it goes with me, and most on this forum. Yes, God's wrath will be brought upon those who harden their hearts to Him and His Truth. He knew that! But He is also Just, and Love, and forgiving, and so much more. I rest in His promises.
Blessings,
nancy
Nancy
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Why did you not answer my question... "Were you not dead in your own sins before He drew you"??
I'm not here to talk about me. If you want to discuss me personally I m not interested.
It is inherent in the doctrine.
Thank you for agreeing with my "Nope."
Both of those statements = Universalism. One of them has to be wrong (I think I will pick the one to be wrong that isn't a verse in the Bible.
All men everywhere? That is, again, Universalism; a very base heresy.
ChristisGod
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Prove it by citing a Calvinistic source.
That is your challenge otherwise its just another false accusation.
The burden of proof is on you since you made the claim.
hope this helps !!!
ChristisGod
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I will let Calvin himself correct your false accusation against him
" Indeed, I am aware of the fact that the whole of conversion to God is understood under the term “repentance,” and faith is not the least part of conversion; but in what sense this is so will very readily appear when its force and nature are explained. The Hebrew word of “repentance” is derived from conversion or return; the Greek word, from change of mind or of intention. And the thing itself corresponds closely to the etymology of both words. The meaning is that, departing from ourselves, we turn to God, and having taken off our former mind, we put on a new. On this account, in my judgment, repentance can thus be well defined: it is the true turning of our life to God, a turning that arises from a pure and earnest fear of him; and it consists in the mortification of our flesh and of the old man, and in the vivification of the Spirit. "(Institutes, III.3.5)
Even if I cannot quote a Calvinistic source saying specifically that repentance is downplayed in Calvinism, it is clear to me that this idea is inherent in the doctrine.
You can believe what you want about it.
When I read the doctrines of Calvinism, I see clearly that repentance is downplayed by those doctrines.
I would suggest that you continue to read Calvinistic authors and look for this concept in their writings. I believe that if you do you will find it eventually.
But since I don't tend to read very many Calvinistic authors any more, I'm sorry that I don't have a recent reading of one of them that I can present to you as containing such a doctrine;
Which does not preclude that the doctrine isn't inherent in the doctrines of Calvinism.
Now if you want to continue to press this in order to win an argument, just realize that doing so will not win the argument.
Because my failure to bring forth the evidence does not in any way preclude that the evidence is nowhere to be found.
It just means that I have not come across it in recent days because I don't tend to read that kind of material any more.
ChristisGod
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Its not a matter of what I believe but what I know from personal studying on both Calvinism and Arminianism. I know their doctrines well.
Its not about winning its about the TRUTH.
see here where Calvin teaches repentance
Dead in Sin !
In Calvinism, repentance is not necessary for salvation because the person who repents has already been saved.
Why repent then if you have already been saved without it?
Nope all men everywhere applied to the Sheep or Elect. All men are not the Sheep or Elect.
ChristisGod
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Salvation is of the Lord period. He saves us and keeps us saved.
James 1:18
He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.
John 1:13
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
1 Peter 1:3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Titus 3:5-8
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Colossians 2:13
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.
Philippians 1:6
And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns
1 Corinthians 1:8
He will sustain you to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Philippians 1:29
"For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake."
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,
1 Peter 1:3
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
God saves us, keeps us saved and it is a gift from Him even granting us the faith which saves.
As Paul says: what do you have that you did not receive ?
Its all by His Mercy and Grace.
I would hate to be the person who stands before God and thinks he had something to do with his own salvation. The Glory is all Gods in Salvation.
hope this helps !!!
Are you, here, saying that repentance is not necessary for salvation?
If you are, then you have proved my point quite nicely...that Calvinistic doctrine downplays repentance
If you aren't, then what are you trying to say by these verses?
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