Who wants to Judge a Man of God who lives i Health and Prosperity??

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amadeus

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Wait, what? Jesus had RICH friends? Lol...sigh.
He certainly had one Friend, a very rich One, the Father, His Father! What need had he for any others?

"For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof." Psalm 50:10-12

Give God the glory!
 
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He certainly had one Friend, a very rich One, the Father, His Father! What need had he for any others?

"For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof." Psalm 50:10-12

Give God the glory!
Yes He did! I was poking fun at Paul because I was under the impression he thought wealth was a sin.
 
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Lester Sumrall is one of my favorite preacher/teacher. Such a wise man of God.
Good for you! I know his teaching is founded on the Word of God so you are in good Godly counsel.:)
He was the last of the original real traditional Pentecostals who knew the power of the Holy Spirit first hand. He knew Smith Wigglesworth and Howard Carter personally. When we view his meetings, we never see the falling down, jerking, and other uncontrolled fleshly stuff in his meetings. We see people rejoicing and praising God, and coming to Christ. He was very clear that it is the blood of Christ shed for us that saves us, and that the evidence that the Holy Spirit is working with us is through the gifts, and without the manifestation of the gifts, there is no evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit. Yep. I'm getting a great refresher course in what Pentecostalism should be, and not the Kenny Copeland and Bethel rubbish that is foisted onto unaware people today.
 
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It is talking of the physical human body which will be dissolved and we will be given a new glorified body.

Not correct.

What riches and wealth are inside our human bodies? I suppose that you can spiritualize this verse; but it is important also that we take the literal interpretation and not discount it.

Don't know! I don't have a tap on his prayer line with God <fify>, so I can't say what he has asked for and received!

He obviously claims that he has asked for and received material wealth from the Lord. According to your verse in James, if he were asking amiss, he would not have received.
 

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He obviously claims that he has asked for and received material wealth from the Lord. According to your verse in James, if he were asking amiss, he would not have received.

Well not knowing the man nor his circumstances nor his life and all that, I am in no position to judge whether teh Lord or someone else gave him his riches. I am just simply making the general biblical statements that are 100% true 100% of the time!

If God did give him what he whined and pouted for like Israel in the desert, then god also sent leanness to His soul. IOW He got what he asked for but is not really enjoying it.

But as I said, I do not know any of the circumstances of this man, so I can only give the Biblical answers and not know what may or may not apply.
 
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Well not knowing the man nor his circumstances nor his life and all that, I am in no position to judge whether teh Lord or someone else gave him his riches. I am just simply making the general biblical statements that are 100% true 100% of the time!

If God did give him what he whined and pouted for like Israel in the desert, then god also sent leanness to His soul. IOW He got what he asked for but is not really enjoying it.

But as I said, I do not know any of the circumstances of this man, so I can only give the Biblical answers and not know what may or may not apply.
As a point of information, the children of Israel were not content with the manna that was provided and begged for meat. God gave them the meat in the form of a great flock of quail, on which the people gorged. But along with the quail, there came a disease which wiped a lot of the people out.

So, God gave them what they whined for, but judgment came with it, because the people weren't content with what God was providing for them. What this teaches me is that we should be content with what God provides for us according to His sovereignty. If He provides a well-paying job that enables a person to have a nice home, reliable car, and good food and clothing and all the bills paid without having to go into debt, then that is a blessing. If the person works hard in their job and gets promotion and becomes the CEO of the company and earns a seven-figure salary to enable him or her to vastly improve the lifestyle, that is also a blessing from God through His sovereign grace.

But if the person craves for wealth, and rides rough-shod over others, and uses office politics to defeat his rivals to the top job, or becomes a preacher giving false promises of prosperity and healing if the people send in their $100 weekly offering to his ministry, then God may give him the wealth, but there may be a judgment attached to it for not being content to trust the sovereignty of God in the provision of his needs.
 
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Well not knowing the man nor his circumstances nor his life and all that, I am in no position to judge whether teh Lord or someone else gave him his riches. I am just simply making the general biblical statements that are 100% true 100% of the time!

If God did give him what he whined and pouted for like Israel in the desert, then god also sent leanness to His soul. IOW He got what he asked for but is not really enjoying it.

But as I said, I do not know any of the circumstances of this man, so I can only give the Biblical answers and not know what may or may not apply.
Of course we know that the brother of low degree is exalted; while the rich man is made low (James 1:9-10).

Does this mean that if you seek riches you are humbling yourself?
 

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Of course we know that the brother of low degree is exalted; while the rich man is made low (James 1:9-10).

Does this mean that if you seek riches you are humbling yourself?
The actual Scripture reads as follows:
"9 But let the brother of low degree glory in his high estate: 10 and the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

Your comment is not what the Scripture actually says. It does not say that the brother of low degree is exalted, but that he can glory in his standing with God, and that the rich can humble himself in the knowledge that his life will pass away like the flower in grass. There is nothing to say that the poor man will be exalted in his position in the church, and the rich man will be given a lower status. The Scripture talks about more about the personal attitude of the poor and rich believer as they see how they stand before God - that poverty does not limit what God can do and through a person, and riches don't cause God to do more through a man than what is promised in Scripture.
 

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I haven’t really read all this thread but I was reminded of the whole issue of prosperity as I have been reflecting on the account of Jesus’s first coming and how it all unfolded ect.
For those who often quote the Old Testament to confirm that prosperity is to be almost demanded as a right, could they explain why it was that Mary and Joseph were poor ( we know this because they would offer birds instead of a lamb at the temple )
Many, in the past, have used Samson as an example, which implies that worldly prosperity had nothing to do with the cross and that it is and was for all Gods people. Would you imply that Mary and Joseph had no faith in there Son or God, when they totally trusted what the Holy Spirit and Angel relayed to them. Mary trusted Jesus to resolve the problem of the wine in a miraculous way. She reflects a wonderful women of faith , yet she was not wealthy. Then there is John the Baptist - did he live in splendour surrounded by Possessions and wealth !?
How does your prosperity Christianity align to above ?
Rita
 
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I haven’t really read all this thread but I was reminded of the whole issue of prosperity as I have been reflecting on the account of Jesus’s first coming and how it all unfolded ect.
For those who often quote the Old Testament to confirm that prosperity is to be almost demanded as a right, could they explain why it was that Mary and Joseph were poor ( we know this because they would offer birds instead of a lamb at the temple )
Many, in the past, have used Samson as an example, which implies that worldly prosperity had nothing to do with the cross and that it is and was for all Gods people. Would you imply that Mary and Joseph had no faith in there Son or God, when they totally trusted what the Holy Spirit and Angel relayed to them. Mary trusted Jesus to resolve the problem of the wine in a miraculous way. She reflects a wonderful women of faith , yet she was not wealthy. Then there is John the Baptist - did he live in splendour surrounded by Possessions and wealth !?
How does your prosperity Christianity align to above ?
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Doctrine involving material prosperity is false. What God does promise is spiritual prosperity. If we have Jesus, we have everything. The quest for material prosperity leads to coveting and selfishness. If a person has a big bank balance when he dies, the money usually goes under the control of unconverted people, and often because of family disputes, all the money goes into the pockets of lawyers and banks, and the person will have to answer to the Lord at the judgment concerning his stewardship of the money.
 
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I haven’t really read all this thread but I was reminded of the whole issue of prosperity as I have been reflecting on the account of Jesus’s first coming and how it all unfolded ect.
For those who often quote the Old Testament to confirm that prosperity is to be almost demanded as a right, could they explain why it was that Mary and Joseph were poor ( we know this because they would offer birds instead of a lamb at the temple )
Many, in the past, have used Samson as an example, which implies that worldly prosperity had nothing to do with the cross and that it is and was for all Gods people. Would you imply that Mary and Joseph had no faith in there Son or God, when they totally trusted what the Holy Spirit and Angel relayed to them. Mary trusted Jesus to resolve the problem of the wine in a miraculous way. She reflects a wonderful women of faith , yet she was not wealthy. Then there is John the Baptist - did he live in splendour surrounded by Possessions and wealth !?
How does your prosperity Christianity align to above ?
Rita
there is no alignment as Jesus said you cannot serve 2 masters and the camel going through the eye of the needle illustration.
 

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Believe and trust God's Word==God has promised==3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish """above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health"""", even as thy soul prospereth.====Psalm 112:3 """Wealth and riches shall be in his house:""" and his righteousness endureth for ever. Psalm 35:27 Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
Yes!!! God wants to bless His family with health and prosperity but you are free to reject the gifts of God and live poor and sick= your choice!
 
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That did not answer the question, Jesus was not wealthy nor was John the Baptist, they didn’t really have a home or material possessions, they had what they needed, which is not the same thing. I am not saying that if someone is wealthy and healthy that it is wrong as a Christian, but I don’t consider that it is universal. Job lost it all because he needed to learn something, God can and does use all kinds of situations. Paul came to trust him in any state he was in, and we don’t doubt his faith.
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So you choose to just ignore and mock the eternal living Word of God???? Beware!!!====Believe and trust God's Word==God has promised==3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish """above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health"""", even as thy soul prospereth.====Psalm 112:3 """Wealth and riches shall be in his house:""" and his righteousness endureth for ever. Psalm 35:27 Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
Yes!!! God wants to bless His family with health and prosperity but you are free to reject the gifts of God and live poor and sick= your choice!
 

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That did not answer the question, Jesus was not wealthy nor was John the Baptist, they didn’t really have a home or material possessions, they had what they needed, which is not the same thing. I am not saying that if someone is wealthy and healthy that it is wrong as a Christian, but I don’t consider that it is universal. Job lost it all because he needed to learn something, God can and does use all kinds of situations. Paul came to trust him in any state he was in, and we don’t doubt his faith.
Rita x
Good points Rita !
 
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