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'So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them,
Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:
and have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air,
and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,
which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree,
in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air,
and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life,
I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good.
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.'

(Gen 1:27-31)

David Attenborough: A Life on Our Planet | Netflix Official Site

Hello there,

I have just watched the above programme, concerning the environment, based on the life experience of David Attenborough. It was not a programme that I would have chosen to watch, but my grandson recommended it, and we watched it as a family. I was deeply affected by watching it, and hope that you will take the opportunity to watch it too.

'For the earnest expectation of the creature
waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity,
not willingly, but by reason of Him Who hath subjected the same in hope,'
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption
into the glorious liberty of the children of God.'

(Romans 8:19-21)

* We need to 'Stop', 'Look' and 'Listen'.

'And the nations were angry, and Thy wrath is come,
and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
and that Thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets,
and to the saints, and them that fear Thy Name, small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. '

(Rev 11:18)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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destruction of the environment? according to who? those who would prophet from the belief?

when the Lord returns according to scripture the Mt of Olives will explode as described by the prophets and in todays world it is understood that there is an nuclear arsenal under the Mt of Olives. therefore the systems in place will respond and nuke war is on and no one will get it until its over and very little of the human race will survive. which also fits the prophet's descriptions, even I do believe its Ezekiel, don't hold me to it, is shown a flying scroll (tube shape) a large flying scroll that is a curse to man, which sounds a lot like a cruse missal for a man's view that never saw one.

hence man destroys the environment and himself.
 

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'Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses,
the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;
that he may please Him Who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

(2 Timothy 2:1-4)

Thank you for responding @DPMartin,

The production that I referred to in the OP, was the witness testimony of David Attenborough, who has been involved in the natural world in one way or another for the whole of his life. He felt the need to record the changes in the environment that he has witnessed throughout the period of his life, showing visually, through filming, the changes that a lifetime of man's influence has had upon the planet, it's wildlife and diversity. In doing so, he also predicted what the future would look like if we continued on the path being taken, in which man dominates and takes for himself all of natures resources, denying the continued existence of so many other species of life.

* I don't believe David has a saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and does not attribute creation to a Divine hand, but that does not make his witness any the less important, or worthy of note. His witness left me in tears.

Praise God for His mercy, His grace, and His longsuffering!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'But the heavens and the earth, which are now,
by the same word are kept in store,
reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should perish,
but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,
what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to His promise,
look for new heavens and a new earth,
wherein dwelleth righteousness.'

(2 Peter 3:7-13)
 
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Hello again,

One thing which is made abundantly clear from God's word, is that God's earthly kingdom cannot be established by human efforts. It awaits the time when the Lord Himself will write its laws in the hearts of its citizens through the new covenant made with Israel and Judah (Jeremiah 31:33), and when its ruler will be none other than the Messiah King (Christ Himself), perfect in character, wisdom and power. This will mean that God will once again interfere in human affairs, just as He did at the exodus of Israel from Egypt and mount Sinai when the kingdom commenced. If this is not true, then there is absolutely no hope for this world.

The Lord Jesus fore-told a time of unparalleled trouble world-wide, such had never been experienced before, and would never again be repeated, declaring that unless God intervened, there would 'no flesh be saved' (Matthew 24:15-22). In other words, man would annihilate himself, and we know only too well that he now has the ability to do just this.

However He assures the disciples there will be Divine intervention, and that is nothing less than His return to the earth, 'with power and great glory' (Matthew 24:30). At long last the One Who is 'King of kings and Lord of lords' will bring the nightmare of man's sinful dominion to an end and for the first time since the fall of Adam mankind will know what perfect rule and justice is, for 'He will reign in righteousness' the world over.'

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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It awaits the time when the Lord Himself will write its laws in the hearts


Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Could be wrong but ‘take away the stony heart’ and ‘I will give you an heart of flesh’
2 Corinthians 3:2-3 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.


not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
..I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
..written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God.
..and a new spirit will I put within you

the epistle of Christ is not the new Covenant then? ‘A new heart also will I give you,’?
 
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Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Could be wrong but ‘take away the stony heart’ and ‘I will give you an heart of flesh’
2 Corinthians 3:2-3 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.


not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
..I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
..written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God.
..and a new spirit will I put within you

the epistle of Christ is not the new Covenant then? ‘A new heart also will I give you,’?
'But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put My law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God,
and they shall be My people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD:
for they shall all know Me,
from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
for I will forgive their iniquity,
and I will remember their sin no more.'

(Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Hello @VictoryinJesus,

This passage of Scripture (above) that I referenced in the post you have responded to (reply#5) relates to Israel specifically, doesn't it? and in that entry it was the establishment of God's kingdom upon earth that I referred to, which is the hope of Israel as a nation.

Had Israel come to repentance during the forty years of the Acts period, during which opportunity was given through the ministry of the apostles, then Christ would have returned and the Kingdom of God would have been established. For just as the old covenant was made with Israel, so will the new covenant be.

Israel did not repent, and the revelation was divinely given to Paul concerning the administration of the church which is the Body of Christ, which would come into being following the failure of Israel to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and King. The epistles written following that revelation are Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon. The hope of Israel now being in abeyance, no mention is made by Paul in these epistles of what he alluded to in 2 Corinthians 3:2-3 (Ezekiel 36:26) in reference to the church. For the revelation he had received concerning the church of the One Body of which Christ is the Head superseded it.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put My law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God,
and they shall be My people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD:
for they shall all know Me,
from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
for I will forgive their iniquity,
and I will remember their sin no more.'

(Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Hello @VictoryinJesus,

This passage of Scripture (above) that I referenced in the post you have responded to (reply#5) relates to Israel specifically, doesn't it? and in that entry it was the establishment of God's kingdom upon earth that I referred to, which is the hope of Israel as a nation.

Had Israel come to repentance during the forty years of the Acts period, during which opportunity was given through the ministry of the apostles, then Christ would have returned and the Kingdom of God would have been established. For just as the old covenant was made with Israel, so will the new covenant be.

Israel did not repent, and the revelation was divinely given to Paul concerning the administration of the church which is the Body of Christ, which would come into being following the failure of Israel to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and King. The epistles written following that revelation are Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon. The hope of Israel now being in abeyance, no mention is made by Paul in these epistles of what he alluded to in 2 Corinthians 3:2-3 (Ezekiel 36:26) in reference to the church. For the revelation he had received concerning the church of the One Body of which Christ is the Head superseded it.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

‘I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh’ why do you think ‘I will give you a heart of flesh’?

2 Corinthians 3:2-3 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

written in our hearts...was Saul/Paul an Israelite? Was Saul/Paul a Pharisee?

‘Written in our hearts’...written in a heart of stone or in fleshly tables of the heart, written not with ink but with the Spirit of God. The question is do you think God removed the stone table from Saul’s heart, and gave him a heart of flesh? Did God give a new heart where ‘written in our hearts’ written not with ink but with the Spirit of God: Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

two questions then:
Why ‘I will remove the heart of stone’ and ‘I will give you a heart of flesh’ ...flesh instead of stone odd yeah?

was Saul and Israelite, was he a Pharisee, was he a Jew ...did God remove the stone and give Paul a new heart ...did God give new spirit? ‘I will put a new spirit in you’ 2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

does he remove the spirit of fear again unto bondage and ‘I will give you a new spirit’ 1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Does God remove ‘the spirit of the world’ and ‘I will give you a new spirit’ ... ‘the spirit which is of God’...hear that ‘given of God’ in ‘I will give you a new spirit’. Do we then deny ‘the spirit which is of God’ and ‘given of God’ that we might know the things that are freely ‘given of God’ and in doing so deny 1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

to say there is no ‘I will give you a new spirit’ is to deny those things freely ‘given of God’ in He said ‘I will give you a new spirit’? Concerning all will be taught of God verse you quoted ‘from the least to the greatest’ sounds much like 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 John 4:6-7 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. [7] Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

Ezekiel 11:19-21 And I will give them one heart, Ephesians 2:14-15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
1 Corinthians 2:14-16 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. [16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

With all due respect denying ‘I will put a new spirit within you;’ ...Denys all things given of God, in denying He removes the spirit of the world, the spirit of fear unto bondage and gives a new spirit which is ‘given of God’ and suggesting no new birth given...no ‘I will give you a new spirit’....
no ‘who hath made both one’
no ‘made in himself of twain one new man,’
Ezekiel 11:19-21 And I will give them one heart,
...the mind of Christ.


John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

‘you must be born again’

Doesn’t this not suggest there is a need of ‘I will give you a new spirit’ ...or is there no ‘I will give you a new spirit’ and only the spirit of the world and the spirit of error until when do you think? No Ezekiel 11:19-21 And I will give them one heart,
...who hath made both one’
no ...‘made in himself of twain one new man,’

no new spirit given of God ‘I will put a new spirit in you’ in He puts His Son in hearts crying out Abba Father? Galatians 4:6-7 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. [7] Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
 

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Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
‘I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh’ why do you think ‘I will give you a heart of flesh’?

2 Corinthians 3:2-3 'Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.'

written in our hearts...was Saul/Paul an Israelite? Was Saul/Paul a Pharisee?
‘Written in our hearts’...written in a heart of stone or in fleshly tables of the heart, written not with ink but with the Spirit of God. The question is do you think God removed the stone table from Saul’s heart, and gave him a heart of flesh? Did God give a new heart where ‘written in our hearts’ written not with ink but with the Spirit of God: Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
two questions then:
Why ‘I will remove the heart of stone’ and ‘I will give you a heart of flesh’ ...flesh instead of stone odd yeah?

was Saul and Israelite, was he a Pharisee, was he a Jew ...did God remove the stone and give Paul a new heart ...did God give new spirit? ‘I will put a new spirit in you’ 2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

does he remove the spirit of fear again unto bondage and ‘I will give you a new spirit’ 1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Does God remove ‘the spirit of the world’ and ‘I will give you a new spirit’ ... ‘the spirit which is of God’...hear that ‘given of God’ in ‘I will give you a new spirit’. Do we then deny ‘the spirit which is of God’ and ‘given of God’ that we might know the things that are freely ‘given of God’ and in doing so deny 1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

to say there is no ‘I will give you a new spirit’ is to deny those things freely ‘given of God’ in He said ‘I will give you a new spirit’? Concerning all will be taught of God verse you quoted ‘from the least to the greatest’ sounds much like 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 John 4:6-7 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. [7] Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

Ezekiel 11:19-21 And I will give them one heart, Ephesians 2:14-15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
1 Corinthians 2:14-16 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. [16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

With all due respect denying ‘I will put a new spirit within you;’ ...Denys all things given of God, in denying He removes the spirit of the world, the spirit of fear unto bondage and gives a new spirit which is ‘given of God’ and suggesting no new birth given...no ‘I will give you a new spirit’....
no ‘who hath made both one’
no ‘made in himself of twain one new man,’
Ezekiel 11:19-21 And I will give them one heart,
...the mind of Christ.


John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

‘you must be born again’

Doesn’t this not suggest there is a need of ‘I will give you a new spirit’ ...or is there no ‘I will give you a new spirit’ and only the spirit of the world and the spirit of error until when do you think? No Ezekiel 11:19-21 And I will give them one heart,
...who hath made both one’
no ...‘made in himself of twain one new man,’

no new spirit given of God ‘I will put a new spirit in you’ in He puts His Son in hearts crying out Abba Father? Galatians 4:6-7 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. [7] Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Hello @VictoryinJesus,

In Ezekiel 2:3, 4 & 7, Israel are called 'a rebellious nation', 'stiffhearted', and 'hardhearted'. God tells Israel that He would take away 'the stony heart' out of their flesh, give them 'a new heart' and 'a new spirit', a 'heart of flesh'.

* You ask, why a heart of flesh?

* I believe the heart of flesh is being set in contrast with the hard heart of the Israelites described in Ezekiel 2:3, 4 & 7 referred to above: for the heart of flesh would be capable of responding, which their heart-of-stone or hard-heart was incapable of doing. This context is not contrasting 'flesh' with 'spirit' (as in Romans 8), but 'a hard heart' with 'a heart of flesh'.

* Saul was an Israelite of the sect of the Pharisees, but as Paul the Apostle he was a regenerate man, a man born from above, born of God. Within him the change of heart had taken place, as it had in all of the believing remnant of Israel. They were receiving new covenant blessings as the redeemed of Israel, as were those devout, God-fearing Gentiles who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, whom God allowed to be grafted into the Olive Tree of Israel during the Acts period, following the entry of Cornelius in Acts 10.

* In 2 Corinthians 3:1-7, Paul was having to once again defend the authority of his Apostleship, and points to the Corinthian believers as being in themselves written epistles of commendation, living testament to his Apostleship, and to that of his fellow-workers in Christ. 'God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to His Own will?' (Heb 2:4) - The Corinthian believers had witnessed this proof of their Apostleship.

* Paul, during that period of the Acts, was a minister of the new covenant, but not of that written in stone (at Sinai) but of the spirit: for that written in stone, though 'glorious,' killed, but it is the spirit that 'giveth life'.

* VictoryinJesus, you have also referred to Galatians 5:22-23; Hebrews 10:24; 2 Timothy 1:7; 1 Corinthians 2:12; 1 John 5:4; 1 John 2:27; 1 John 4:6-7;Ezekiel 11:19-21; Ephesians 2:14-15; 1 Corinthians 2:14-16; John 3:5-7 and Galatians 4:6-7, which I acknowledge and thank you for. However I must let them speak for themselves within their various contexts.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hello @VictoryinJesus,

In Ezekiel 2:3, 4 & 7, Israel are called 'a rebellious nation', 'stiffhearted', and 'hardhearted'. God tells Israel that He would take away 'the stony heart' out of their flesh, give them 'a new heart' and 'a new spirit', a 'heart of flesh'.

* You ask, why a heart of flesh?

* I believe the heart of flesh is being set in contrast with the hard heart of the Israelites described in Ezekiel 2:3, 4 & 7 referred to above: for the heart of flesh would be capable of responding, which their heart-of-stone or hard-heart was incapable of doing. This context is not contrasting 'flesh' with 'spirit' (as in Romans 8), but 'a hard heart' and 'a heart of flesh'.

* Saul was an Israelite of the sect of the Pharisees, but as Paul the Apostle he was a regenerate man, a man born from above, born of God. Within him the change of heart had taken place, as it had in all of the believing remnant of Israel. They were receiving new covenant blessings as the redeemed of Israel, as were those devout, God-fearing Gentiles who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, whom God allowed to be grafted into the Olive Tree of Israel during the Acts period, following the entry of Cornelius in Acts 10.

* In 2 Corinthians 3:1-7, Paul was having to once again defend the authority of his Apostleship, and points to the Corinthian believers as being in themselves written epistles of commendation, living testament to his Apostleship, and to that of his fellow-workers in Christ. 'God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to His Own will?' (Heb 2:4) - The Corinthian believers had witnessed this proof of their Apostleship.

* Paul, during that period of the Acts, was a minister of the new covenant, but not of that written in stone (at Sinai) but of the spirit: for that written in stone, though 'glorious,' killed, but it is the spirit that 'giveth life'.

* VictoryinJesus, you have also referred to Galatians 5:22-23; Hebrews 10:24; 2 Timothy 1:7; 1 Corinthians 2:12; 1 John 5:4; 1 John 2:27; 1 John 4:6-7;Ezekiel 11:19-21; Ephesians 2:14-15; 1 Corinthians 2:14-16; John 3:5-7 and Galatians 4:6-7, which I acknowledge and thank you for. However I must let them speak for themselves within their various contexts.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

maybe I’ve misunderstood...it is and has been something I struggle with. I do not understand the God will do those things...one day but hasn’t yet: ‘I will give them one heart’ or ‘I will put a new spirit in you’ ...so struggle with Ezekiel 11:19 As if it hasn’t happened yet “And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:”


Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

“I will put a new spirit within you’ sounds like those born after the spirit and not after the flesh.

curious, would you say God has put a new spirit within you?
 

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maybe I’ve misunderstood...it is and has been something I struggle with. I do not understand the God will do those things...one day but hasn’t yet: ‘I will give them one heart’ or ‘I will put a new spirit in you’ ...so struggle with Ezekiel 11:19 As if it hasn’t happened yet “And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:”

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

“I will put a new spirit within you’ sounds like those born after the spirit and not after the flesh.

curious, would you say God has put a new spirit within you?
'Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;
who for the joy that was set before Him
endured the cross, despising the shame,
and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.'

(Heb 12:2)

Hi @VictoryinJesus,

I understand your problem with the length of time between the prophecy and it's fulfillment, I think most readers have the same struggle. The words, 'How long?' is on most readers lips I believe. It was on Isaiah's lips in Isaiah 6:11 too, and was on the lips of many others in Scripture, even on God's lips too. Yet we can be assured that He is not slack concerning His promises (2 Peter 3:9).

* Israel's failure to come to repentance during the Acts period, though fore-known by God, has resulted in a period in which Israel's prophetic clock has stopped, and it's re-start, though prophesied, awaits a day that is in God's hands alone. During this period the Church which is the Body of Christ is being called out and prepared. Praise God!

* What tends to come to my mind in relation to this time delay, are the words of God to Abraham concerning the Amorites in Genesis 15:15-16, in which God shows that the timing of His actions are determined by such factors as whether iniquity has reached the point where His judgment can justifiably be delivered, so that justice can be seen to have been done. For it is not His will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

* We trust. We believe. We wait in faith. Wait, yes, in expectation for the promises of God to find their fulfilment, as did the saints of old, who died not having received the promises, but look ahead to the resurrection of the dead for their fulfillment (Hebrews 11). Looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith who has gone before us.

* Thank you, VictoryinJesus, for this thought process, it has been a blessing.

In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
 
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Would you say God has put a new spirit within you?
Hello again, @VictoryinJesus,

Yes, God has given the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ the spirit of sonship (Romans 8:15; Galatians 4:6), whereby he can call Him, "Father".

'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
according to the good pleasure of Hs will,
To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in The Beloved.'
(Ephesians 1:3-6)

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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For it is not His will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

thank you for all of your reply. In the above, do you mean all Israel or all who have been made blind until the fullness comes in?

still, struggle with Ezekiel because in saying Israel didn’t come to repentance...what about Peter, what about Paul, what of those born after the Spirit given ‘one heart’ ‘made one’ in ‘I will put a new spirit within you’

Ezekiel 11:19-21 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

yet those born not after the Spirit but born after the flesh ‘walk after’ ...not after the spirit but ‘walks after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations’...following the of a new spirit given of God there is those after the flesh ‘after the heart of their detestable things’. “But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord God.”

the promise seed of those born after the spirit given one heart, made of two ‘one new man’ given of God a new spirit which He told them to go wait and they would receive power from on high, this outpouring of what...coming upon them..??

yet it seems to be said they, those made blind and born after the flesh, are the ones and the filling of Ezekiel 11:19-21 and not ‘power received from on high’ or in Christ made of two one new man ‘And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

when does Ezekiel 11:19-21 happen then ‘And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.’ If not born of a new spirit given of God.


If any be not born of a new spirit given of God , born of God...can he enter in? But instead the fulfillment is said (unless I’ve misunderstood) is not in those born after the Spirit but instead those after the flesh “But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord God.”

Blindness come upon Israel...and the all will be saved ...does this ‘all’ include the Pharisees? Because that is what I hear ...The fulfillment of Ezekiel 11:19-21 is ‘or will be’ in those blinded and not in those who receive power from on high in ‘I will give you a new spirit’ one that faints not ...

seems a new heart is required? Still do not understand saying Israel was given no new heart which (imo) then what about ‘born not of the flesh but born of God’ ...these born of God are Israel? Romans 9:6,8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: [8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 
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