HOW TO RECOGNIZE A REAL TEACHER PART 3

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Romans and Greeks hated the Jews. The two sides considered the other disgusting on a normal basis.
A centurion believing in Judaism is way outside the norm. The existence of two centurion believers in Judaism is way beyond the scope of reason. Especially a centurion. You didn't rise up through the ranks by risking the ire of your superior officers.

One is sufficient...but the same story told from two perspectives is completely reasonable if you understand the culture.
The same is true for Judas' death.

Then we have the disparities in the story of the "Sending of the 12".
Mark's account differs extremely from the other accounts...and only "extra biblical knowledge" explains the reason.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

What do you need to know that's not contained in those passages?

Much love!

I don't need to know anything, why do you ask ?

If you are not a mechanic do you understand how to diagnose you car ?
If you are not a brain surgeon are you capable if diagnosing your brain ?
If you are not a carpenter/electrician are you able to build you house to code without knowledge of the skills required ?
If you do not know horticulture and have never studied it are you able to grow crops successfully ?

Does God operate in a human vacuum ?
Does knowledge have any validity for the farmer ?

The farmer knows just what to do, for God has given him understanding. … The Lord of Heaven’s Armies is a wonderful teacher and he gives the farmer great wisdom.Isaiah 28:26-29

If you have the Holy Spirit then you have the expertise that is required to be able to interpret the word of the Lord....He has promised that if we have Him, He will guide us into all truth (John 16:13).

I suppose we could compare life to the car, and the Bible to the car manual. Incomplete reading may leave you not understanding what you can do with your car. But just the same, you don't need to know plastics composition to turn on the wipers, or metal machining to step on the brakes.

You need to know what's in the handbook.

Much love!

The way we were looking at it, the car represents the Bible; but I accept that idea also.

In times past...
Printed materials didn't exist...paper and ink were exorbitantly expensive. Books and writing were luxury items.
And no one who was wealthy enough to purchase such things ever became that way by wasting money. People expected value for their money.

So, when books were written, they left out the "of course" types of information that fills today's literature. The very subjects that people 3500 years ago would know off the top of their heads but are unrecognizable in today's society.

For example if I said that I had a frog in my throat today... you would not picture that I had an amphibian that was choking me.

Same thing goes with expressions from 2,000 to 5,000 years ago.

I find no idioms in the kjv of the Bible that cannot be understood in today's terminology.

Some are more doers than thinkers.

The former are greater than the latter.

So a knowledge of DNA and how it works doesn't help you understand Gods handiwork in creation. Now I understand your thinking process, thanks !

If there is any understanding of DNA that is needed to understand the Bible better, that understanding can be found in the pages of the Bible (perhaps in the Bible codes).

Is it a contradiction?
It's obviously not true today.
Why did John say that?
I believe in Jesus...I am a child of God.
And that goes directly against John 1:12

It does not go against that verse...for that verse tells us that if you have received Christ you have been given the power to become a son of the Lord.

Sound exegesis of Scripture involves the cultural and environmental background, who wrote it, when and why he wrote it, and who were the ones the Scripture was directed to. There are Scriptures that were written for us, and others that were written to us. Sound exegesis helps us determine which is which.

Would you say that Philippians 1:6 is not written to us because in Philippians 1:1 it is written that Philippians is written to the saints which are at Philippi with the bishops and deacons?
 

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Would you say that Philippians 1:6 is not written to us because in Philippians 1:1 it is written that Philippians is written to the saints which are at Philippi with the bishops and deacons?
Common sense would tell us (unless some Christians leave their brains turned off when they open the Bible), that because there is one God, one faith, one baptism, and one body of Christ, if Paul is writing to one section of the body of Christ, namely the Philippians, then his letter would equally apply to all the other sections of the body of Christ.
 

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Common sense would tell us (unless some Christians leave their brains turned off when they open the Bible), that because there is one God, one faith, one baptism, and one body of Christ, if Paul is writing to one section of the body of Christ, namely the Philippians, then his letter would equally apply to all the other sections of the body of Christ.
So then, the scriptures (even all of them) are written not only for us, but to us.
 
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Mat 20:1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
Mat 20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
Mat 20:3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
Mat 20:4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
Mat 20:5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
Mat 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
Mat 20:7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
Mat 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
Mat 20:9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
Mat 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
Mat 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Mat 20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Mat 20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

I don't know a thing about working in a vineyard. I know a lot about the printing and the trucking industries though.
Needless to say, those jobs don't exist for me anymore.
So I wander on down the local restaurant. They have a sign out.. help needed.
I can refuse to take the job because I have very little to no knowledge about the restaurant industry.
Or I can be willing to try something new because my family is hungry and they need food.

So I take the job. I haven't been there as long as the owner, or the head chef, or the 2nd cook, not even as long as the waitresses.
But I'm going to do that janitorial job that I been given the best I got.
At the end of the week we all get a paycheck. Now for some reason the owner gave me a bonus, maybe I tried real hard and gave it all my effort.
But the head chef dude he got a bit put out because you know, he's as close to the top in knowledge of the restaurant industry as the owner himself. So He don't think it's fair that the newbie guy got a bonus for his effort.

One day, that little janitor newbie may end up being head chef... one never knows.

thinking...
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I like how the late Dr Charles Stanley describes the gift of teaching in the body of Christ,

Are you concerned with accuracy when the Word of God is taught or interpreted? Are you concerned that the truth be passed on to the next generation or to those who currently are lacking in understanding and wisdom? Do you desire to see the lives of others changed as the result of information being given to them? You may be a person who has been given the motivational gift of teaching.

Those with other gifts may be teachers, but their motivation for teaching is not the pursuit of God's truth. A person may become a Sunday school teacher in the preschool department out of love and compassion for the children. That person is motivated to teach by a gift of mercy. Another person may be motivated to teach because he is concerned that too much emphasis is being placed upon discussion of the application of Scripture and not enough on the black and white, right and wrong absolutes of the Bible. That person is motivated to teach out of a ministry gift of prophecy.

The person who is gifted to teach is motivated solely because he loves the truth and wants to impart God's Word with accuracy and understanding.

One of the foremost teachers in the Bible is Luke. Just look at how he begins his Gospel account:

Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, that you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed. (Luke 1:1-4 - New American Standard Bible via BibleGateway (new window)" target="_blank" href="Bible Gateway passage: Luke 1:1-4 - New American Standard Bible">Luke 1:1-4)

Doesn't Luke sound like a teacher? He says of himself that he is an expert, that his understanding is "perfect," and that his account will be orderly. His desire is that Theophilus "know with certainty" - in other words, to know with exactness of detail. Luke's Gospel as well as the book of Acts are highly detailed accounts. They are intended to teach the truth with certainty that Jesus was the Christ.

Characteristics of the Gift of Teaching

Teaching was considered a highly valued profession in both Jewish and Greek circles. To be a teacher within the early church was also an exalted position - few were called teachers. A great responsibility was placed upon teachers to be accurate, wise, diligent in their research, and skilled in their ability to present information. Then, as now, the gift of teaching was expected to display the following seven characteristics:

1. The gift of teaching includes a great concern with a systematic sequence. Teachers seek to present material in a way that is easy for others to follow. Luke notes that he is going to write an "orderly account." Another translation of those words would be "consecutive order." The teacher lays out his material so it all points toward specific themes, which taken together covey the main point.

2. The gift of teaching includes a concern with the accuracy of words and the use of language. A teacher is concerned with precise definitions and shades of meaning. A teacher can be irritating at times because he or she is always asking, "What do you mean by that? What does that mean to you?" He wants to hear and speak with accuracy.

3. The gift of teaching includes a delight in researching and reporting as many details as possible. The Gospel of Luke contains more details about key events than any other Gospel. Luke sees meaning in details. The person gifted in teaching delights in his own research. He takes great joy in seeing meaning in factual details that may have been overlooked by others. Once this information has been acquired, the teacher longs to share everything he knows. At times that can be more information than others want or need to hear, but the teacher feels compelled to "teach all."

No other Gospel writer tells us about the birth of Jesus as Luke tells us. Nearly three chapters of His Gospel are devoted to the birth of Jesus - he not only tells the story of Mary and Joseph, but also the stories of Zacharias and Elizabeth, and Simeon and Anna. He does not deal only with the facts of the story, but with dialogue, monologue, and references to the Old Testament.

4. The gift of teaching includes a great interest in knowing as much as possible about a subject being studied. A teacher never tires of delving into a chosen area of study, or engaging in multiple studies with increasing depth over time. The teacher desires that all of the information he presents is accurate, valid, and verifiable. Traditional historical accounts tell us that Luke took several years to research his Gospel, talking to numerous people who had known Jesus personally.

5. The gift of teaching is concerned with the acquisition of knowledge and understanding, both of which are vital to wisdom. The prophet is concerned that a person make the right decision and recognize fully what is at stake if the wrong decision is made. A changed life is the goal. The person who exhorts is concerned that a person understand the step-by-step process necessary to reach a particular goal, and admonishes others that no step and no necessary requisite behavior be omitted or overlooked. A correction is the goal. The teacher, by comparison, is concerned that a person know the Bible and the commandments of God with precision and full understanding. Acquisition of knowledge is the goal, as Luke wrote to Theophilus, "that you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed" (Luke 1:4).

6. The gift of teaching is primarily concerned with fact, not illustration or application. Teachers are rarely impulsive and often reject emotional material or illustrations. They nearly always have a tendency toward logic and organization. They are not likely to delight in lengthy discussion. In fact, they can quickly become irritated with those who talk too much, and especially so if the person doesn't seem to know what he or she is talking about!

7. The gift of teaching is usually pursued in a very systematic way. Most teachers have developed a personal "method" for doing research and presenting information to others. They develop a means for determining what is true. They sift all things necessary for their method before drawing a conclusion.

Those who operate under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and who recognize that they are gifted as teachers will not find teaching to be a burden - rather, these behaviors will be the natural way they respond to any opportunity to teach.

Characteristics of someone with the gift of teaching:

· Strong desire to present truth systematically.
· Requires thoroughness.
· Needs to validate information.
· Checks out the teacher.
· Great delight in researching.
· Tendency to avoid illustrations from non-biblical sources.
· Needs to clarify misunderstandings.

hope this helps !!!

It sure does because you have described me to a T and knowing that is what I am like, I make no apology for being what I am by the grace of God and doing what I do.

And it certainly confirms the four prophecies I was given about my ministry as a teacher. And notwithstanding that, I went to university to train to be a teacher.
 
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Yes. You have to be called. One verse that the church has grossly neglected in their pursuit of "serving God" is James 3:1. It's natural that it should happen, because as we each learn things from God there is a natural tendency to want to share it with someone. That tendency then lends itself to thinking one might have a call to teach or pastor, but sharing insights is not the same as teaching people as an authority on the word, and a leader of the church. The limited things believers learn are often mostly just associated with the things the Lord is teaching them in their own life, and one's knowledge has to be far more extensive than that.


Even someone who truly is called can mess things up with formal Christian education if they are not careful. I thought of getting a Masters in Theology beck when I was 24, but declined even then. If I were to attend seminary now, much of what I would write would give my professors so much pause that they would likely not have time to address me properly. But that's what happens when the Spirit of God is your Teacher for 30 years, and not simply resorting to and accepting blindly the interpretive assumptions of men.

I know what you mean. One thing I wanted to do is write a dissertation for a Ph.D. which I did. The subject was the New Testament Church in the New Testament. I read over 60 books on the subject to gather material for it. When I had completed it and was ready to present it for adjudication, I got a resounding NO from the Lord. When I asked why he said because it would draw attention to myself and not to him.

Was it a wasted exercise? NO WAY. The things I learned whilst doing the study were mind-blowing as the Lord showed me so many things that were a foreign concept to the church today. I am so glad that he allowed me to study as I did but the actual Ph.D. was irrelevant bearing in mind that we are told to study to show ourselves approved to God, (not man).
 
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I know what you mean. One thing I wanted to do is write a dissertation for a Ph.D. which I did. The subject was the New Testament Church in the New Testament. I read over 60 books on the subject to gather material for it. When I had completed it and was ready to present it for adjudication, I got a resounding NO from the Lord. When I asked why he said because it would draw attention to myself and not to him.

Was it a wasted exercise? NO WAY. The things I learned whilst doing the study were mind-blowing as the Lord showed me so many things that were a foreign concept to the church today. I am so glad that he allowed me to study as I did but the actual Ph.D. was irrelevant bearing in mind that we are told to study to show ourselves approved to God, (not man).


I would take everything the Lord has shown during the course of the last thirty years over every accreditation on the planet. Far better to be approved of God.

Like the pic in your signature btw, LoL : )
 

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I would take everything the Lord has shown during the course of the last thirty years over every accreditation on the planet. Far better to be approved of God.

Like the pic in your signature btw, LoL : )
Thankyou. I do put a great deal of thought into things like that.