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Charity said:-
'But this man, because He continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him,
seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.'
(Hebrews 7:24-25)

I believe what is written above.

What meaneth this? How readest thou?
'But God commendeth His love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Much more then, being now justified by His blood,
we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
For if, when we were enemies,
we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son,
.. much more,
.... being reconciled,
...... we shall be saved by His life.
And not only so,
but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
by Whom we have now received the atonement.'
(Rom 5:8)

Hello @BarnyFife,

I believe that God is able to save to the uttermost those who have come to Him by Christ Jesus the risen Lord, on the basis of the blood shed, the life laid down by the Lord Jesus Christ on their behalf.

Praise His Holy Name!

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Have a HUGE problem to solve when it comes to the Apostle and leader of the Church Peter.

1- he denied Jesus 3 times
2- he ran from those who said he knew Jesus denying his relationship with Jesus
3- he lived a hypocritical life with the Jews and Gentiles after Pentecost
4- Paul confronts him to his face for being a hypocrite
5- Peter was a stumbling block for the weaker brother Barnabas and caused him to fall into sin as a hypocrite
6- Peter forced the gentiles with him to participate in his hypocrisy

See Galatians 2 for the details.

So according to their heretical teaching the Apostle Peter was not saved, lost his salvation and if he died was going to hell before Paul confronted Him with his sin.

hope this helps !!!
Have a HUGE problem to solve when it comes to the Apostle and leader of the Church Peter.

1- he denied Jesus 3 times
2- he ran from those who said he knew Jesus denying his relationship with Jesus
3- he lived a hypocritical life with the Jews and Gentiles after Pentecost
4- Paul confronts him to his face for being a hypocrite
5- Peter was a stumbling block for the weaker brother Barnabas and caused him to fall into sin as a hypocrite
6- Peter forced the gentiles with him to participate in his hypocrisy

See Galatians 2 for the details.

So according to their heretical teaching the Apostle Peter was not saved, lost his salvation and if he died was going to hell before Paul confronted Him with his sin.

hope this helps !!!

The problem today is that there is no more confrontation, whether because it is classified as "judging others" or because others are equally guilty, and they would rather see their fellow believers fall and be like them instead of helping themselves come out of their pitiful state and help others as well. As for the doctrine of eternal security, there are a few things to remember:

FOR THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY SAVED AND BELONG TO CHRIST, God prepared for them in advance the good deeds in which to walk (Ephesians 2:10). The Word of God is clear on the subject of Salvation, although many times people say that when it comes to the subject, there is a lot of figurative speech. However, what do you think it would happen if someone would take seriously the letter of Paul to the church in Rome? I am not saying by any means that one could live a perfect life, but if one is saved, IT IS POSSIBLE to live as a free man regarding sin instead of living with a slave's mentality. If one is preoccupied with doing the good works God has planned for them, it will be hard to do the things of the flesh--or if you want, look at it the other way, but in order to do what God wants, one has to desire it and recognize he cannot do it on his own, requesting God's help one day at a time. Any progress is always made in small steps, not all of a sudden, and when it comes to doing God's will, it is always with his help, not alone.
 
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OSASer's always ignore context:

Hebrews 10:29 KJB - Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Eternal IN-securists ignore the greater context. If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as eternal IN-securists teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) So in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't always necessarily refer to salvation.

Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse (and by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians, not saved people: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.
 
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Eternal IN-securists ignore the greater context. If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as eternal IN-securists teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) So in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't always necessarily refer to salvation.

Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse (and by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians, not saved people: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.
Interesting, @mailmandan,

Thank you :)

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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I will ask you what I asked E~

Do you agree with this statement?

1Jn_5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.​

If so, I have a few questions. How does one get their name in the "book of life of the Lamb", for it is obvious some names are "not written" therein? Who then are those not found written in the Lamb's book of life, and how come they are not in it?

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.​
 

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Eternal IN-securists ignore the greater context. If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as eternal IN-securists teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) So in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't always necessarily refer to salvation.

Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse (and by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians, not saved people: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.
ditto
 
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Interesting, @mailmandan,

Thank you :)

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Please. As a favour. Go back, and upon your knees asking God for the truth, about what Hebrews 10 says in plain English, starting at Verse 1, then read slowly, stopping at each word going all the way unto the end (verse 39), praying about each word and the understanding in the context of the whole, asking God for guidance at each step, and then tell me you still desire to "thank" the person you have, and tell me you still find that which he gave "Interesting", rather than a disgusting abuse of scripture, and especially of the false comparison of Hebrews 10:29 with the context of 1 Corinthians 7:14, needing to be rebuked as Balaam. He ought to be ashamed of himself, for he knew better before posting it, as I shall show in a bit from the very texts he cited.

If you do not do as I ask, then I will rebuke you with him (as he is to be blamed) and Christophany in my next reply, in love of course, but it must be done.
 

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Please. As a favour. Go back, and upon your knees asking God for the truth, about what Hebrews 10 says in plain English, starting at Verse 1, then read slowly, stopping at each word going all the way unto the end (verse 39), praying about each word and the understanding in the context of the whole, asking God for guidance at each step, and then tell me you still desire to "thank" the person you have, and tell me you still find that which he gave "Interesting", rather than a disgusting abuse of scripture, and especially of the false comparison of Hebrews 10:29 with the context of 1 Corinthians 7:14, needing to be rebuked as Balaam. He ought to be ashamed of himself, for he knew better before posting it, as I shall show in a bit from the very texts he cited.

If you do not do as I ask, then I will rebuke you with him (as he is to be blamed) and Christophany in my next reply, in love of course, but it must be done.
good luck with that

who appointed you over anyone on this forum, you ?

its called delusional...................................

The fact is Eternal Life is NEVER once lost by anyone in Scripture who has Everlasting Life.

John 10:27-30
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one."

John 3:16,18
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

I will BELIEVE Jesus words and Promise above. People like you must MAKE IT UP to fit your false doctrine that it can be lost and make Jesus words above a LIE instead of the PROMISE which it is. You condemn those Jesus says are not condemned whom He has given Eternal Life that cannot be removed or taken away.

hope this helps !!!
 
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Yes, eating and drinking must be continual, not for a single event, or for a short while.
Its to bad this one passage below from Jesus dismantles your "theory".

Jesus below has no conditions and He gives them Eternal Life and nothing or no one can remove them from His or the Fathers hands.

John 10:27-30
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one."

end of discussion with your " conditional , situational, incidental and temporal life " false teaching.

Scripture calls it ETERANAL- EVERLASTING- NEVER ENDING LIFE for a good reason.

hope this helps !!!
 
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Please. As a favour. Go back, and upon your knees asking God for the truth, about what Hebrews 10 says in plain English, starting at Verse 1, then read slowly, stopping at each word going all the way unto the end (verse 39), praying about each word and the understanding in the context of the whole, asking God for guidance at each step, and then tell me you still desire to "thank" the person you have, and tell me you still find that which he gave "Interesting", rather than a disgusting abuse of scripture

Amen!

Amazing how people fall for the fair speeches and good empty words men use to pervert the holy scriptures (Romans 16:18; 2 Peter 2:18).
 

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The first red flag in a deceiver is the need to post long and drawn out explanations to pervert short and simple passages (Ecclesiastes 10:14).
 

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The first red flag in a deceiver is the need to post long and drawn out explanations to pervert short and simple passages (Ecclesiastes 10:14).
hilarious human wisdom under the Sun another ABUSE of scripture not knowing how to exegete the bible.

a text without the context is a pretext for a prooftext.

a great example from you, thanks !
 

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a text without the context is a pretext for a prooftext.

Where did you learn this wisdom?

Go tell that to Paul when he used Habakkuk 1:5 in Acts of the Apostles 13:41 out of context to drive a relevant point.

The wisdom of men has corrupted you. Try to read the Bible until the nonsense man has put in you gets purged from your mind.
 
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'But God commendeth His love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Much more then, being now justified by His blood,
we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
For if, when we were enemies,
we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son,
.. much more,
.... being reconciled,
...... we shall be saved by His life.
And not only so,
but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
by Whom we have now received the atonement.'
(Rom 5:8)

Hello @BarnyFife,

I believe that God is able to save to the uttermost those who have come to Him by Christ Jesus the risen Lord, on the basis of the blood shed, the life laid down by the Lord Jesus Christ on their behalf.

Praise His Holy Name!

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
As pertaining to eternal security?
 

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Where did you learn this wisdom?

Go tell that to Paul when he used Habakkuk 1:5 in Acts of the Apostles 13:41 out of context to drive a relevant point.

The wisdom of men has corrupted you. Try to read the Bible until the nonsense man has put in you gets purged from your mind.
how old are you 23 ?

you don't know the first thing about hermeneutics.
 

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how old are you 23 ?

You are fulfilling this scripture:

1 Timothy 6:3-4 KJVS
[3] If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; [4] He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings...

I advise you to change course.
 

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You are fulfilling this scripture:

1 Timothy 6:3-4 KJVS
[3] If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; [4] He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings...

I advise you to change course.
So you refuse to answer your age and how long you have been a so-called believer.

That speaks volumes about you hiding behind your computer screen.
 

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you don't know the first thing about hermeneutics.

Once again, you fulfill another scripture:

1 Corinthians 8:1 KJVS
[1]... Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

And:

1 Corinthians 8:2 KJV
[2] And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

What you aught to know is what the Bible teaches, not what man teaches by “hermeneutics”. By the way, hermeneutics of from the Greek meaning to interpret. Why not just speak plain English and stop it with trying to sound sophisticated?

God calls men to OBEY, not to interpret.

When your Lord tells you to love your neighbor, you love your neighbor! And so on...

There’s nothing to interpret here. And all things that pertain holiness are plain without the need for “interpretation”.
 

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Once again, you fulfill another scripture:

1 Corinthians 8:1 KJVS
[1]... Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

And:

1 Corinthians 8:2 KJV
[2] And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

What you aught to know is what the Bible teaches, not what man teaches by “hermeneutics”. By the way, hermeneutics of from the Greek meaning to interpret. Why not just speak plain English and stop it with trying to sound sophisticated?

God calls men to OBEY, not to interpret.

When your Lord tells you to love your neighbor, you love your neighbor! And so on...

There’s nothing to interpret here. And all things that pertain holiness are plain without the need for “interpretation”.
Don't worry about me be concerned about your own walk.

You can quote scripture, so what ?

So can the devil.
 

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So you refuse to answer your age and how long you have been a so-called believer.

I am under no obligation to answer your personal questions. And age is irrelevant:

Job 32:6,9 KJV
[6] And Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite answered and said, I am young, and ye are very old; wherefore I was afraid, and durst not shew you mine opinion. [9] Great men are not always wise: neither do the aged understand judgment.
 
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