where does the Bible say you can read for yourself and make your own doctrine or faith?
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where does the Bible say you can read for yourself and make your own doctrine or faith?
as were the 12 sons of Jacob, same mother? No some were Rachel some were her sisters Lea
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Matt. 1:25 says: but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.
Did Mary have other children after Jesus? The Bible does not support this idea. Let’s see what the Scriptures say about the use of the word, “until”.
2 Samuel 6:23 tells us: Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child until the day of her death.
Are we to assume that Michal had children after she died?
Moses was buried by God in the valley of Moab after his death. Deut. 34:6 explicitly states: And he buried him in the valley of the land of Moab over against Phogor: and no man hath known of his sepulchre UNTIL this present day.
Sooooo – did they find his grave after this??
Let’s also examine Acts 2:34-35 (also see Psalm 110:1, Matt 22:44): For David did not go up into heaven, but he himself said: 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool."'
Are we to surmise that Jesus will cease to sit at the right hand of the Father after his enemies are made his footstool?
The problem here is that the anti-Catholic attempts to apply 21st century English to Hebrew and Greek from a culture thousands of years ago.
2nd Timothy Group
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So . . . this passage set deals with Circumcision of the Heart (which is what I always talk about, because it is the Heart of the Bible . . . no pun intended). Look at verse seven and not just verse 2. Come on . . . we need to be reasonable!
Ezekiel 44:7 NLT - "You have brought uncircumcised foreigners into my sanctuary--people who have no heart for God. In this way, you defiled my Temple even as you offered me my food, the fat and blood of sacrifices. In addition to all your other detestable sins, you have broken my covenant."
These passages are about the actual, real, physical temple of God . . . and that folks without Circumcised Hearts had entered the Lord's Holy Temple. Why is this the issue? Because for those with Circumcised Hearts, their body [IS] the New Temple. Nearly all of Scripture points to Colossians 2:9-15. Quite incredibly clear.
Colossians 2:11-12 KJV - "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."
1. Circumcision made without hands - Spiritual Circumcision
2. Circumcision of Christ - Very Exclusive to Him alone
3. This Circumcision is a Holy Operation of Faith
No Peter . . . No water.
What saves is the Holy Operation of Christ, an Operation made without human hands . . . and this, good people, is the Circumcision of Christ. The entire Bible points to this one act of Christ that saves . . . none other. If the Curse of Adam and Eve is not lifted from the Heart, the Devil is that person's father.
Who said anything about making their own doctrine or faith. We have the Holy Spirit to guide us and teach us. We are meant to read our bibles and be open to the word.
Only Christian baptism can remove original sin
Ez 44:2 has a principal that where God has entered no man may enter
no you do not, there is no guarantee of that to you, you may have light and truth from the HS but only if you submit and obey Peter and the apostles and their successors, only they have the guarantee of the HS to be free from error!
Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded in the one true founded by Jesus Christ!
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
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The obedience of faith!
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.
Taught the one true faith revealed by Christ to His apostles! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you
1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!
2nd Timothy Group
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My many translations tell me that God does this Holy Work, none other than Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All three take credit for the removal of the Curse.
Ezekiel 36:26 NLT - "And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart."
No water. No Mother Mary. No Peter. It is ALL the Work of Christ. See Colossians 2:9-15. It is Christ who makes us whole and complete . . . not earthly water. Nothing from foolish earth purifies anyone. It is the Spirit that Purifies the Spirit. No worldly item or act can rectify that which is Spiritual. Not sure why I continue, here. Nothing I say is even acknowledged, which means that the people who employ this strategy are never wrong and always right. Legalism, maybe?
Take care! If there's anything I can do for you . . . let me know. For now, I give up. I choose to speak with people who will speak with me.
God does everything ez 36:25-27
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put withi n you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
but thru His church that He founded on Peter matt 16:18
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Major covenants!
Adam:
(Marriage covenant)
Noah:
(Family covenant)
Abraham:
(Tribal covenant)
Moses:
(National covenant)
Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)
New and eternal covenant founded by Jesus Christ! Matt 16:18
Universal (Catholic)
World universal
Jn 1:29 lamb of God who takes way the sins of the world
Jn 3:16 for God so loved the world
1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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Hi Pearl,
Previously you said you prefer to stick with the clear truth of the bible and not rely on another mans interpretation.....You rely on yourself.
Your statement that Mary was an ordinary girl is NOT sticking with the truth of the bible. Scripture clearly says that she found favor with God, was highly favoured, blessed among women and that all generations will call her blessed. You need to really understand that those descriptors of her make it clear that she was not an ordinary girl by any stretch of the imagination. What you are saying about Mary is a post Reformation teaching taught by men 1,500 years after the death of Christ. Or by reading Scripture did you come to your own conclusion on the "ordinary girl" theory?
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She was betrothed to get married at the time that she made that profession. You're completely off your rocker!
When Mary made that remark she was a virgin, and was unmarried at that time. Afterwards, when she married Joseph, they both had intercourse and produced children from this physical relationship.
Yes, we all understood the virtues of allowing the spirit to overcome all fleshly desires, but why does a woman who was allegedly vowed to celibacy due to her devotion to the Lord, decide to get married?
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Hi DNB,
True...When she made that remark she was a virgin and unmarried at that time. But she was engaged to be married. Sooooo why would she then be surprised at being told she would conceive a child and say that she does not know man??? Logically it should not have been a surprise since she was getting married soon and DID KNOW A MAN that could get her pregnant!!!
There is NOTHING in Scripture that says "they both had intercourse and produced children from this physical relationship" so you can stop typing that lie. I thought you adhered to the bible alone theory? What is written in scripture is the only thing we can believe!! If believe that you Should stop lying because that is not in the bible. You can say your theory is OR I have put these 6 passages together to lead me to believe they had sex but you can not say that the bible says that....it doesn't!!!
What you are forgetting is that after they decided to get married she mysteriously ended up pregnant. Joseph was then going to leave her because he knew it wasn't his child. After a visit from an angel Joseph then took her back. Soooooo why did she agree to go thru with the CANCELLED marriage is your real question. Well, there are TWO reasons:
First, as Matthew points out in his genealogy in chapter 1, Joseph was in line to be a successor of David as King of Israel. Thus, if Jesus was to be the true “son of David” and king of Israel (see 2 Sm 7:14, Heb 1:5, Rv 19:16, 22:16), he needed to be the son of Joseph. As the only son of Joseph, even though adopted, he would have been in line for the throne.
Second, in a culture that did not take too kindly to espoused women getting pregnant by someone other than their spouse, Mary would have been in mortal danger. So Joseph became Mary’s earthly spouse and protector as well as the protector of the child Jesus.
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On the contrary, God chose both a betrothed, and a righteous couple, so that the shame of an illegitimate child could, and would, be concealed.
They married promptly, and after Mary delivered Jesus, Mary fulfilled her vow and duty as a wife, and her and Joseph had intercourse in order to produce more children, namely Joses, James, Simon and Jude, and some daughters also.
No where does the Bible say anyone is child of Mary but Jesus Lk 1:35 and her son is God!
Are James, Simon, Jose, Simone God? No!
you shall bear a son (singular) both Is 7:14 and Matt 1:29
here only Mary Joseph and Jesus, same when he was 12 in the temple.
where’s the other children?
matt 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.
Are James, Simon, Jose, Simone God? No!
you shall bear a son (singular) both Is 7:14 and Matt 1:29
here only Mary Joseph and Jesus, same when he was 12 in the temple.
where’s the other children?
matt 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.
No one, worth mentioning, consents to marriage without sex. You have no Biblical grounds for this ridiculous claim, and your exegesis is deplorable. I have no idea why you and Marymog prefer insanity over rational deduction?
a child conceived by God the HS is some how illegitimate???
yours is the sin of helvidius!
man article of faith, that all must accept as the teaching of Christ Lk 10:16
It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)
John Calvin
(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)
[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)
Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])
John Wesley
‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).
I had to look up Helvidius - very smart guy.
As far as all the other theologians that you quoted, all you managed to do was underscore my lack of faith in their acumen, that I already had for them.
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Then show m BIBLICAL grounds for YOUR ridiculous claim.
Show me where it says that Mary had children other than Jesus.
DON'T show me verses that speak about the "Adelphoi" of Jesus because that word is used for MANY other things such as cousin, uncle, step-brother, half-brother, friend, neighbor, fellow Believer, etc.
Acts 1:15 talks about "120 SDELPHOI" gathered together to choose a successor for Judas.
Did they ALL come from the SAME mother? NO, because the 12 Apostles are among them and we KNOW they weren't ALL siblings.
I'll even go one step further - just to make it EASY on you.
Show me an extrabiblical (historical) document that talks about Mary having "other children".
I'll wait right here for your response . . .
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