Peter identifies Jesus as our God and Savior

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BARNEY BRIGHT

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I believe <<the Only Begotten Son of God was resurrected from the dead the third day after his death.>> THE PROBLEM IS YOU DO NOT TOLERATE ANY INTERPRETATION NOT YOURS.
My reply to you is, show me the Scripture which says <<that Jesus died and was dead for three days>>. There is NO such Scripture.
Nevertheless Scripture is clear and unambiguous that

He "on the first day they KILLED to passover", DIED "the ninth hour" 3PM mid-afternoon "on the fourteenth day of the First Month"; and

that He was BURIED THE NEXT DAY AND WAS FINISHED BURIED "on the first day ulb eaten", "That Day the Preparation mid-afternoon before the weekly Sabbath" "on the fifteenth day of the First Month"; and that

He ROSE from the dead "ON THE WEEKLY SABBATH MID-AFTERNOON BEFORE THE FIRST DAY" "on the sixteenth day of the First Month the SANCTUARY WAS CLEASED OF DEATH".

You don't know these Scriptures?

I knew you do not. BUT THEY ARE ALL WRITTEN. And so was Jesus
dead after that He had given up the ghost for 2 days plus 3 hours on the day that He died; and was
He dead and buried in the grave for 1 day the Sabbath the Seventh Day of the week plus 3 hours on the Friday before.

But of course you have already judged me that I am in my sins still and must bear the consequences eternally. That's what the BIG "I" have posted.

You explicitly told me that Jesus wasn't dead for three days. You are the one who denied he was dead not me.
 

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You explicitly told me that Jesus wasn't dead for three days. You are the one who denied he was dead not me.
Luke 23:43 (NKJV)
43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."

Didn't you say Jesus "ceased to exist" for three days?
 

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Luke 23:43 (NKJV)
43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."

Didn't you say Jesus "ceased to exist" for three days?

This scripture at Luke 23:43 kcnalp, isn't saying Jesus was in heaven the day he died. If you believe by this scripture that Jesus went to heaven the day he died and wasn't in Hades for three days as the scriptures say, then you're the one who is in error. The scriptures show that Jesus didn't go into heaven until 40 days after his resurrection, but of course you may deny this truth in scripture.
 

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This scripture at Luke 23:43 kcnalp, isn't saying Jesus was in heaven the day he died. If you believe by this scripture that Jesus went to heaven the day he died and wasn't in Hades for three days as the scriptures say, then you're the one who is in error. The scriptures show that Jesus didn't go into heaven until 40 days after his resurrection, but of course you may deny this truth in scripture.
He was in "paradise" and so was the thief. Kingdom Hall does not overrule Jesus.
 
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He was in "paradise" and so was the thief. Kingdom Hall does not overrule Jesus.

You can slam Kingdom Halls like you do but you're the one denying Jesus death, you're the one denying that Jesus was in Hades for three days then resurrected from the dead, not the kingdom Hall
 

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That's a lie!

Another lie! You said Jesus "ceased to exist". Don't you remember?

Jehovah God clearly explained what death would mean for the sinner Adam. God said: “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) Adam would return where? To the ground, to the dust from which he had been created. At death Adam would simply cease to exist!

What is the condition of dead souls? Simply stated, death is the opposite of life. All our senses are linked to our physical bodies. Our ability to see, hear, and think depends on the proper functioning of our eyes, ears, and brain. Without eyes we cannot see. Without ears we cannot hear. Without a brain we cannot do anything. When a person dies, all these physical organs cease to function. We cease to exist.
 

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Jehovah God clearly explained what death would mean for the sinner Adam. God said: “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) Adam would return where? To the ground, to the dust from which he had been created. At death Adam would simply cease to exist!
Referring to the body! The dust "ceased to exist"?
What is the condition of dead souls? Simply stated, death is the opposite of life. All our senses are linked to our physical bodies. Our ability to see, hear, and think depends on the proper functioning of our eyes, ears, and brain. Without eyes we cannot see. Without ears we cannot hear. Without a brain we cannot do anything. When a person dies, all these physical organs cease to function. We cease to exist.
No Scripture? Of course not.
2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV)
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
 

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Kcnalp said: Referring to the body! The dust "ceased to exist"?[/Quote\]
Where in Genesis 3:19 does it say that it was only the body, that it was only the dust that ceased to exist. What you're trying to say is that when God used the word "you" when speaking to Adam he was only speaking to only part of Adam and there's no evidence of that in Genesis 3:19.
 

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Kcnalp said: Referring to the body! The dust "ceased to exist"?[/Quote\]
Where in Genesis 3:19 does it say that it was only the body, that it was only the dust that ceased to exist. What you're trying to say is that when God used the word "you" when speaking to Adam he was only speaking to only part of Adam and there's no evidence of that in Genesis 3:19.
It doesn't say "cease to exist" period. Jesus "ceased to exist"? How utterly ridiculous!
 

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It doesn't say "cease to exist" period. Jesus "ceased to exist"? How utterly ridiculous!

What I'm saying is that at Genesis 3:19 when God was speaking to Adam he was speaking to a person not just some body that would go back to the dust. So when God said to Adam for dust you are and dust you will return he was speaking to a person who would go back to the dust. Which means Before God took dust from the ground Adam the person didn't exist, so going back to the ground means Adam goes back to non-existence.
 

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What I'm saying is that at Genesis 3:19 when God was speaking to Adam he was speaking to a person not just some body that would go back to the dust. So when God said to Adam for dust you are and dust you will return he was speaking to a person who would go back to the dust. Which means Before God took dust from the ground Adam the person didn't exist, so going back to the ground means Adam goes back to non-existence.
So your Savior "ceased to exist"? That's a real problem.
 

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Not a problem because my Lord and King Jesus Christ was resurrected back to existence three days after his death.
My Savior Jesus couldn't possibly "cease to exist". You have a different savior. How could Jesus raise His body from the dead if He "ceased to exist"?
John 2:19-21 (NKJV)
19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
21 He was speaking of the temple of His body.
 

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My Savior Jesus couldn't possibly "cease to exist". You have a different savior. How could Jesus raise His body from the dead if He "ceased to exist"?
John 2:19-21 (NKJV)
19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
21 He was speaking of the temple of His body.

Actually you believe what the serpent told Eve, that a person doesn't die.
 

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My Savior Jesus couldn't possibly "cease to exist". You have a different savior. How could Jesus raise His body from the dead if He "ceased to exist"?
John 2:19-21 (NKJV)
19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
21 He was speaking of the temple of His body.

Acts 17:30,31shows that God resurrected his Son Jesus Christ, do does
Another lie!

You're the liar. Like I said you're the one who continue to say Jesus wasn't dead for three days
 

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Acts 17:30,31shows that God resurrected his Son Jesus Christ, do does
You're EVADING the Scripture, again.
John 2:19-21 (NKJV)
19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
21 He was speaking of the temple of His body.
You're the liar. Like I said you're the one who continue to say Jesus wasn't dead for three days
Quote my "lie". You just lied again. I have NEVER said that Jesus' body wasn't dead for 3 days. But He was still alive! Jesus "ceased to exist"? How could He raise His body from the dead if He "ceased to exist"?
 

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You're EVADING the Scripture, again.
John 2:19-21 (NKJV)
19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
21 He was speaking of the temple of His body.

Quote my "lie". You just lied again. I have NEVER said that Jesus' body wasn't dead for 3 days. But He was still alive! Jesus "ceased to exist"? How could He raise His body from the dead if He "ceased to exist"?

I don't believe scriptures like Acts 17:30, 31 are lies.
When it comes to scriptures like John 2:19,21 I believe we must harmonize Jesus’ words with many other scriptures, which clearly show that God and Christ are separate persons and not equal and not tied together, along with the holy spirit, to form one god. Numerous texts show that Jesus did not raise himself from the dead, but that he was resurrected by Jehovah God his Father. (Romans 8:11; 1Corinthians 15:15; Ephesians 1:20) So how may we logically view John 2:19.

I believe the context must be examined. John 2:13-18 shows that Jesus had cleansed the literal temple at Jerusalem, routing from it those who were making it a place of merchandise, and as a result had been confronted with this question from the Jews: “What sign have you to show us, since you are doing these things?” Then in John 2:19 Jesus told them the sign, which is the basis of our question. John 2:20-22 says: “Therefore the Jews said: ‘This temple was built in forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?’ But he was talking about the temple of his body. When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples called to mind that he used to say this.”

This setting shows that Jesus was not talking about his physical body, but “he was talking about the temple of his body”. The temple in Jerusalem that Jesus cleansed represented not Jesus alone but also the body-members over which he is head. Just as the literal temple was not made up of one stone but many, so “the temple of his body” consists of many living stones, with Jesus as the foundation cornerstone: “You yourselves also as living stones are being built up a spiritual house for the purpose of a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” (1Peter 2: 4-7) After the Jewish religionists rejected Christ the living stone and broke him down by death on the torture stake, on the third day thereafter Jehovah God raised him up to become the chief cornerstone of the temple of living stones then under preparation. He immediately appeared to his disciples and lifted them up out of their despondency, built them up spiritually so that they could “offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God”. That this building of “the temple of his body” started then and continued through the years that followed is shown by Peter’s use of the present tense when years afterward he said Christ’s followers “are being built up a spiritual house”.