Animal Sacrifices In The Millenium?

evanom said:

As gentile Christians we teach that the sacrificial system is done away with. The Jews, on the other hand, are waiting to rebuild their temple to continue with this practice. But what if the Jews are right? What if the (animal) sacrifices are not done away with and will continue in a future temple?

We could dismiss this as doctrinal debate and consider ourselves as being correct: After all, we accept and believe Jesus and the Jews don’t. But let’s skip debates and take a look in the Bible. Did you know……
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Jesus Christ was the once and forever perfect sacrifice there will never be another.

evanom said:

So….. return to past glory? Or symbolic innuendo?

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definately symbolic.

Sacrifices became a means of reconcilliation to God before the Messiah's arrival. To approach God, one must have his approval to approach and the way that the earliest of mankind sought to approach God was thru sacrifices. Think of Cain and Able...they both approached God with sacrifices to commune with him but Adam and Eve in their perfect state never needed sacrifices, they could approach God at anytime.
Interestingly, after they had sinned and left the garden there is no mention of Adam ever seeking Gods approval thru such sacrifices...we could conclude that he knew he was unable to approach God ever again.



The temple in Zecariah is a spiritual temple rather then a physical temple. Remember Jesus had become the 'chief cornerstone' of that temple and in Ephesians 2:19-20 Paul told the gentile christians: 19 Certainly, therefore, YOU are no longer strangers and alien residents, but YOU are fellow citizens of the holy ones and are members of the household of God, 20 and YOU have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone.

The temple that Jesus was to build was a temple of living worshipers of God....with Jesus as the corner stone (Isaiah 28:16) and the Apostles (Rev 21:14) & Prophets (1 Cor 12:28) as the foundation stones. The purpose of this living temple was to reconcile mankind back to God Col 1:20-22 so that we can have the stain of sin removed and be able to approach God freely without sin holding us back.

Once sin is removed, there is no reason to offer sacrifices ever again....they are only needed because of sin and its effects it has on our relationship with God. If the Jews want to hold onto sacrifices then they are also holding onto sin which is very sad because sin is a wall between us and God.

Pegg said:

definately symbolic.

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Interestingly, after they had sinned and left the garden there is no mention of Adam ever seeking Gods approval thru such sacrifices...we could conclude that he knew he was unable to approach God ever again.

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I think this comment is a real stretch. Blood was shed after Adam and Eve sinned when God made them a garment.

Paul said:

I think this comment is a real stretch. Blood was shed after Adam and Eve sinned when God made them a garment.

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Adam wasnt the one who made the animal skins though, it was God and he did not do so for the purpose of a sacrifice to himself...he used the skin as garments for Adam and Eve but it has nothing to do with the sacrifices man made to God.

Also consider, in patriarchal times it was only the family head who had authority to offer the sacrifices on behalf of the family, yet in the case of cain and able they were offering sacrifices themselves which was quite unusual. When Noah came out of the ark with his wife and adult children, only Noah offered God a sacrifice. It was always the patriarch who approached God on behalf of the entire family. It seems Adam was not in a position to do that for his family so his sons did it for themselves.

you say it was God and he did not do so for the purpose of a sacrifice to himself

there was no sacrifice they were simply killed for their skins. thats why they were made, for the benefit of man

Pegg said:

Adam wasnt the one who made the animal skins though, it was God and he did not do so for the purpose of a sacrifice to himself...he used the skin as garments for Adam and Eve but it has nothing to do with the sacrifices man made to God.

Also consider, in patriarchal times it was only the family head who had authority to offer the sacrifices on behalf of the family, yet in the case of cain and able they were offering sacrifices themselves which was quite unusual. When Noah came out of the ark with his wife and adult children, only Noah offered God a sacrifice. It was always the patriarch who approached God on behalf of the entire family. It seems Adam was not in a position to do that for his family so his sons did it for themselves.

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Blood was shed, that is what it takes.

Paul said:

Blood was shed, that is what it takes.

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No blood was shed in Genesis 3:21: Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Notice the Lord MADE the skins to clothe Adam and Eve, He did not kill anything to make those skins.

God clothed them with mortality. That skin was their death ( mortality)

1 Cor15:53-54 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The sacrifices after Jesus are US.

Rom 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

skyangel said:

No blood was shed in Genesis 3:21: Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Notice the Lord MADE the skins to clothe Adam and Eve, He did not kill anything to make those skins.

God clothed them with mortality. That skin was their death ( mortality)

1 Cor15:53-54 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The sacrifices after Jesus are US.

Rom 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

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you say ; No blood was shed in Genesis 3:21: Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Notice the Lord MADE the skins to clothe Adam and Eve, He did not kill anything to make those skins.

God clothed them with mortality. That skin was their death ( mortality)

that perception of that scripture is totally proposturous.

Paul said:

Blood was shed, that is what it takes.

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does that mean that every time you eat a piece of meat you are offering a sacrifice to God?

Or what about at the time of the flood when God killed all living things except for Noah and his family...were all those deaths for the sake of a sacrifice to himself?? or did they serve another purpose?

sniper762 said:

you say ; No blood was shed in Genesis 3:21: Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Notice the Lord MADE the skins to clothe Adam and Eve, He did not kill anything to make those skins.

God clothed them with mortality. That skin was their death ( mortality)

that perception of that scripture is totally proposturous.

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Thank you for your opinion.
May I ask the reason for that opinion?
Do you have any reason to believe any blood was shed in the making of the skins for Adam and Eve?

Pegg said:

does that mean that every time you eat a piece of meat you are offering a sacrifice to God?

Or what about at the time of the flood when God killed all living things except for Noah and his family...were all those deaths for the sake of a sacrifice to himself?? or did they serve another purpose?

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That's the sillies thing I have ever heard, I thought you were better than that. When God removed the skin from the animals to make clothing was their blood shed? Have you ever skinned an animal? When the creatures drowned in the flood, did they shed blood?

Paul said:

That's the sillies thing I have ever heard, I thought you were better than that. When God removed the skin from the animals to make clothing was their blood shed? Have you ever skinned an animal? When the creatures drowned in the flood, did they shed blood?

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Where does it say that God skinned any animal to make clothes for Adam and Eve? What animal do you suggest he skinned in your opinion ?

Why would God clothe them with animal skin and then throw them out of the garden if that animal skin was supposed to represent the sacrifice with which sins are covered?
Would a sacrifice not have covered their sins well enough to keep them in the garden?

skyangel said:

Where does it say that God skinned any animal to make clothes for Adam and Eve? What animal do you suggest he skinned in your opinion ?

Why would God clothe them with animal skin and then throw them out of the garden if that animal skin was supposed to represent the sacrifice with which sins are covered?
Would a sacrifice not have covered their sins well enough to keep them in the garden?

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This was the Law of God for Adam and Eve in the garden and the penalty for breaking it:

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This is what happened when they broke the law:
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats (H3801) of skins (H5785), and clothed them.

H3801
כּתּנת כּתנת
kethôneth kûttôneth
keth-o'-neth, koot-to'-neth
From an unused root meaning to cover (compare H3802); a shirt: - coat, garment, robe.

H5785
עור
‛ôr
ore
From H5783; skin (as naked); by implication hide, leather: - hide, leather, skin.


This tells you why God sent Adam and Eve from the garden:
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

This verse tells you that Adam died before the end of a day just as God said he would:
Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Paul said:

This was the Law of God for Adam and Eve in the garden and the penalty for breaking it:
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This verse tells you that Adam died before the end of a day just as God said he would:
Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

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I know all that but you have not answered my questions at all. Please answer these questions directly in your own words and include scripture references in your answers..

Where does it say that God skinned any animal to make clothes for Adam and Eve?
What animal do you suggest he skinned in your opinion ?

Why would God clothe them with animal skin and then throw them out of the garden if that animal skin was supposed to represent the sacrifice with which sins are covered?
Would a sacrifice not have covered their sins well enough to keep them in the garden?

skyangel said:

I know all that but you have not answered my questions at all. Please answer these questions directly in your own words and include scripture references in your answers..

Where does it say that God skinned any animal to make clothes for Adam and Eve?
What animal do you suggest he skinned in your opinion ?

Why would God clothe them with animal skin and then throw them out of the garden if that animal skin was supposed to represent the sacrifice with which sins are covered?
Would a sacrifice not have covered their sins well enough to keep them in the garden?

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If you would read the Scripture I gave you, you would have your answer. God did not put them out of the garden because of their sin. God put them out of the garden so they wouldn't "take also of the tree of life."

God had a number of animals to choose from, maybe He killed a lamb? The text does not say what type of animal God killed to make the garment unless you think the whole live animal was wrapped around them Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them

Do you read Scripture? Do you understand what you read?

The text does not even say that this was a sacrifice but their was shed blood.

Added: The penalty for the sin in the garden was Adam and Eve's death before the end of the day.

Paul said:

Do you read Scripture? Do you understand what you read?

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I understand it perfectly. Do you ?
The Word Himself reveals Himself to me daily.
I am in Him and He is in me.
I live in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

God did not skin any animals at all. He clothed Adam and Eve with skin which He especially made for the purpose of clothing them not with skin which had already been made and was on an animal.
Why did they need to be clothed with skin at all?
Why would they suddenly need to be clothed with skin from an animal since they were not cold or ashamed before they were clothed with skin anyway? Did some kind of animal skin take away their guilt or shame at all?
The skin they were clothed with was human skin, human flesh not animal skin. It was skin which was subject to death. It was the result of eating from the tree of knowledge. They were clothed with death. They were clothed with shame. They were clothed with the corruptible, clothed with unrighteousness as opposed to being clothed with righteousness. They received a natural mortal body instead of an immortal body.

Job 8:22 They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame; and the dwelling place of the wicked shall come to nought.

Job 10:11 Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.

They were clothed with flesh that is subject to death. They were confined to the body of death because of their sin.

skyangel said:

I understand it perfectly. Do you ?
The Word Himself reveals Himself to me daily.
I am in Him and He is in me.
I live in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

God did not skin any animals at all. He clothed Adam and Eve with skin which He especially made for the purpose of clothing them not with skin which had already been made and was on an animal.
Why did they need to be clothed with skin at all?
Why would they suddenly need to be clothed with skin from an animal since they were not cold or ashamed before they were clothed with skin anyway? Did some kind of animal skin take away their guilt or shame at all?
The skin they were clothed with was human skin, human flesh not animal skin. It was skin which was subject to death. It was the result of eating from the tree of knowledge. They were clothed with death. They were clothed with shame. They were clothed with the corruptible, clothed with unrighteousness as opposed to being clothed with righteousness. They received a natural mortal body instead of an immortal body.

Job 8:22 They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame; and the dwelling place of the wicked shall come to nought.

Job 10:11 Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.

They were clothed with flesh that is subject to death. They were confined to the body of death because of their sin.

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You can quote Bildad if you want. God called him a man without knowledge. You can believe whatever you want.

Paul said:

You can quote Bildad if you want. God called him a man without knowledge. You can believe whatever you want.

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You may also believe whatever you want . I choose to believe the Truth of God and the Revelation shown to me by the Lord Himself.

You still have not come up with a good reason as to why they they needed to be clothed with skin.

If you cannot come up with any good reason then you give me no other option than to believe what the Lord has shown me.

They tried to clothe themselves with fig leaves remember. Why was that? It was because they were ashamed and wanted to hide their shame.

Did the Lord help them hide their shame or did He clothe them with death so they would die to their shame?

skyangel said:

I understand it perfectly. Do you ?
The Word Himself reveals Himself to me daily.
I am in Him and He is in me.
I live in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

God did not skin any animals at all. He clothed Adam and Eve with skin which He especially made for the purpose of clothing them not with skin which had already been made and was on an animal.
Why did they need to be clothed with skin at all?
Why would they suddenly need to be clothed with skin from an animal since they were not cold or ashamed before they were clothed with skin anyway? Did some kind of animal skin take away their guilt or shame at all?
The skin they were clothed with was human skin, human flesh not animal skin. It was skin which was subject to death. It was the result of eating from the tree of knowledge. They were clothed with death. They were clothed with shame. They were clothed with the corruptible, clothed with unrighteousness as opposed to being clothed with righteousness. They received a natural mortal body instead of an immortal body.

Job 8:22 They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame; and the dwelling place of the wicked shall come to nought.

Job 10:11 Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.

They were clothed with flesh that is subject to death. They were confined to the body of death because of their sin.

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I very much agree with this.