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... why would I want to ... engaging you in a "prophecy challenge," ...

YOU DON'T, -- because you're nothing but blather, and aren't capable of a rational discussion based upon Scripture and History.

So throw your slanders and then run away like a little girl hiding behind your mommy's apron. -- What a sissy.
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If fraud is proven in even one state, that should suffice. But it will in fact be proven in all the states under scrutiny.

The Democratic Governor of PA, Tom Wolf, has filed to have the hearing that was scheduled for today appealed to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. Thus, no date has yet been set for a new hearing. This is why once things can be held up in the courts it spells bad news for a situation that needs to be resolved in less than two months.

Officials Appeal To PA Supreme Court To Dismiss Trump Case

[Edited]. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court leans 5-2 Democratic, but the interesting thing is that the Chief Justice is a Republican, and has held the office for more than 20 years. My guess is that the Commonwealth Court will likely not take things lying down regardless, and go directly to the US Supreme Court with it. The Commonwealth Court leans Republican (5-2), and I don't take them as people who will simply roll over. I believe they are specifically who was referred to by the words, "the one whom I have set in place will not be moved."

Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania - Wikipedia
Supreme Court of Pennsylvania - Wikipedia

Who are Chris Reed and Charlie Shamp?

The two men who received visions regarding PA, as quoted in the OP.

God bless,
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YOU DON'T, -- because you're nothing but blather, and aren't capable of a rational discussion based upon Scripture and History.

So throw your slanders and then run away like a little girl hiding behind your mommy's apron. -- What a sissy.
Bobby Jo

That would be an awfully big apron, Lol.

You didn't answer my question. If you can't handle discussing one verse, how do you think you can handle dealing with four Chapters? But relax. Life is good. I had no choice however but to address you on your incessant posting of that business. If it were just me and others who understand Biblical prophecy, we would all just continue to ignore you. But when you are effecting the minds of innocent sisters in Christ with that mess, you need to be corrected, whether you take kindly to it or not.

God bless,
- H
 

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The two men who received visions regarding PA, as quoted in the OP.

God bless,
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Yup, I got that part. But WHO are they? Are they known visionaries who's visions have come true? Leaders of some church? etc etc

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Yup, I got that part. But WHO are they? Are they known visionaries who's visions have come true? Leaders of some church? etc etc

Mary

I knew what you were asking, Mary (LoL). I was simply implying that when it comes to visions and dreams, it really doesn't matter who receives it so long as it bears witness with the Spirit of the saints. There's a young woman on YouTube now who has been publishing prophetic dreams, and she is new and a relative nobody, but the Lord uses whomever He wills.

As for track records, however, if that's something you'd like to look into:

Chris Reed - So far as I know he is also rather obscure, but as per his statements in the video, he's connected to Rick Joyner's ministry. Rick Joyner is someone I have quoted numerous times. I referenced him in the following thread which is now about to be fulfilled, beginning next year:
Beware Of Increasing Debt

Charlie Shamp - From everything I've seen, Shamp has a good track record. I know we discussed the following prophecy on the forum when Kamala Harris was nominated to be Joe Biden's Vice Presidential running mate:
Kamala Harris: A Star Will Rise — Destiny Encounters International

But Josho would be the better one to ask as far as citing other examples go. He's studied Shamp more closely than I have. @Josho

God bless,
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I knew what you were asking, Mary (LoL). I was simply implying that when it comes to visions and dreams, it really doesn't matter who receives it so long as it bears witness with the Spirit of the saints. There's a young woman on YouTube now who has been publishing prophetic dreams, and she is new and a relative nobody, but the Lord uses whomever He wills.

As for track records, however, if that's something you'd like to look into:

Chris Reed - So far as I know he is also rather obscure, but as per his statements in the video, he's connected to Rick Joyner's ministry. Rick Joyner is someone I have quoted numerous times. I referenced him in the following thread which is now about to be fulfilled, beginning next year:
Beware Of Increasing Debt

Charlie Shamp - From everything I've seen, Shamp has a good track record. I know we discussed the following prophecy on the forum when Kamala Harris was nominated to be Joe Biden's Vice Presidential running mate:
Kamala Harris: A Star Will Rise — Destiny Encounters International

But Josho would be the better one to ask as far as citing other examples go. He's studied Shamp more closely than I have. @Josho

God bless,
- H

You probably didn't expect to hear this, but FYI I am being careful of American political prophecies at the moment. Even with the Sid Roth show, it has looked like 90% of it has been about Trump prophecies in the last few months.

If they are right then good, but I am concerned that their has been too much focus on Trump prophecies. Anyway that's my reason, and I have also heard otherwise from one of dad's prophetic friends.

And most of us kind of knew that mail in ballots was going to get Biden over the line in Australia, even the experts said it before the election, because Biden widely encouraged that type of voting, because it would be safer in a time of a pandemic, instead of voting in person. Mask wearing has even sadly been politicized in America, and what we have seen from outside of USA, is the usual stereotype has been if you are a Biden supporter you wear a mask and if you are a Trump supporter you don't, it hasn't been politicized that much in other countries, yes there may have been protests, but what we have seen in other countries is more people obeying the rules and restrictions and following the health and safety guidelines, in Victoria in the middle of the second wave probably like 95% or more of the population obeyed the rules, in New Zealand there was probably an even higher obedience rate, I could not say the same for the UK as Australia and New Zealand, but even the UK have tended to follow the guidelines more than the US, well so it seems...

So I am being quite careful of American political prophecies this election.
 

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If fraud is proven in even one state, that should suffice. But it will in fact be proven in all the states under scrutiny.

Yes they have said that, one state is enough to prove fraud and now we go to the SCOTUS because of Pennsylvania
 

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You probably didn't expect to hear this, but FYI I am being careful of American political prophecies at the moment. Even with the Sid Roth show, it has looked like 90% of it has been about Trump prophecies in the last few months.

If they are right then good, but I am concerned that their has been too much focus on Trump prophecies. Anyway that's my reason, and I have also heard otherwise from one of dad's prophetic friends.

And most of us kind of knew that mail in ballots was going to get Biden over the line in Australia, even the experts said it before the election, because Biden widely encouraged that type of voting, because it would be safer in a time of a pandemic, instead of voting in person. Mask wearing has even sadly been politicized in America, and what we have seen from outside of USA, is the usual stereotype has been if you are a Biden supporter you wear a mask and if you are a Trump supporter you don't, it hasn't been politicized that much in other countries, yes there may have been protests, but what we have seen in other countries is more people obeying the rules and restrictions and following the health and safety guidelines, in Victoria in the middle of the second wave probably like 95% or more of the population obeyed the rules, in New Zealand there was probably an even higher obedience rate, I could not say the same for the UK as Australia and New Zealand, but even the UK have tended to follow the guidelines more than the US, well so it seems...

So I am being quite careful of American political prophecies this election.

In saying all this, Shamp is still quite accurate, I am just being careful.
 

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Transferring this from one of History's posts in another thread:
Pennsylvania GOP Legislature Will Seek to Reclaim Power to Appoint Electors: State Senator

Pennsylvania State Senator Doug Mastriano, a Republican, said Friday that the GOP-controlled state legislature will make a bid to reclaim its power to appoint the state’s electors to the Electoral College, saying they could start the process on Monday, Nov. 30.

Mastriano told War Room that he has been in communication with Republican Pennsylvania House and Senate members to reclaim their constitutional authority from the secretary of state’s office. The reason why, he said, is due to a hearing in Gettysburg with GOP state senators that heard witness testimony from poll watchers and others who alleged there were significant irregularities and fraud during the presidential election.

He said that about half of the state GOP House and Senate leaders and legislators support the move to reclaim their constitutional authority. Both the State House and Senate are controlled by Republicans.

“So, we’re gonna do a resolution between the House and Senate, hopefully today,” he told Steve Bannon’s War Room on Friday. I’ve spent two hours online trying to coordinate this with my colleagues. And there’s a lot of good people working this here. Saying, that the resolution saying we’re going to take our power back. We’re gonna seat the electors. Now obviously we’re gonna need the support of the leadership of the House and Senate, we’re getting there on that.”

Mastriano then acknowledged that the legislature will attempt to take the power back from the Democratic governor and secretary of state offices over electors.

“That is exactly what we’re going to do,” he added, saying that it will “obviously be a struggle.”

“We’re gonna hear the palpitations and you know the outcries of our Governor [Tom] Wolf and Secretary [of State Kathy] Boockvar, whose resignation should have happened months ago and she shouldn’t have ever been confirmed,” the Pennsylvania Republican said on the show.

But it’s necessary, he argued, because there is “so much evidence of shenanigans and fraud, we can’t stand aside and just watch this unfold around us.” Elaborating, he said, “If there’s extensive shenanigans out there it’s up to the General Assembly to step in. So we have a fight on our hands and we’re gonna fight. We’re gonna take the fight all the way to the Supreme Court if we have to.”

During the hearing on Wednesday, Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis called on the legislature to exercise their constitutionally given authority.

“You are the best constitutionally-invested entity to do that,” Ellis said. “You have a variety of options in front of you.”

One possible method, she said, is for the legislature to call for a special election. Ellis also noted that state legislators “can direct the manner of your electors … one option should not be to ignore it and certify a corrupted, irredeemably compromised election.”

Giuliani, in the hearing, cited the 12th Amendment as well as the Constitution’s Article II, Section One that assigns the election to individual states to be conducted “in such manner as the Legislature thereof shall direct.”

Boockvar, the secretary of state and chief election officer in the state, has said she has seen no evidence of voter fraud or mass irregularities that would overturn the election results in the state. State data shows that Biden leads Trump by about 80,000 votes. Other secretaries in other states where the results are being challenged have made similar claims.
 

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You probably didn't expect to hear this, but FYI I am being careful of American political prophecies at the moment. Even with the Sid Roth show, it has looked like 90% of it has been about Trump prophecies in the last few months.

If they are right then good, but I am concerned that their has been too much focus on Trump prophecies. Anyway that's my reason, and I have also heard otherwise from one of dad's prophetic friends.

Not a problem. That was for her sake, not mine.

God bless.
 
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Transferring this from one of History's posts in another thread:
Pennsylvania GOP Legislature Will Seek to Reclaim Power to Appoint Electors: State Senator

Pennsylvania State Senator Doug Mastriano, a Republican, said Friday that the GOP-controlled state legislature will make a bid to reclaim its power to appoint the state’s electors to the Electoral College, saying they could start the process on Monday, Nov. 30.

Mastriano told War Room that he has been in communication with Republican Pennsylvania House and Senate members to reclaim their constitutional authority from the secretary of state’s office. The reason why, he said, is due to a hearing in Gettysburg with GOP state senators that heard witness testimony from poll watchers and others who alleged there were significant irregularities and fraud during the presidential election.

He said that about half of the state GOP House and Senate leaders and legislators support the move to reclaim their constitutional authority. Both the State House and Senate are controlled by Republicans.

“So, we’re gonna do a resolution between the House and Senate, hopefully today,” he told Steve Bannon’s War Room on Friday. I’ve spent two hours online trying to coordinate this with my colleagues. And there’s a lot of good people working this here. Saying, that the resolution saying we’re going to take our power back. We’re gonna seat the electors. Now obviously we’re gonna need the support of the leadership of the House and Senate, we’re getting there on that.”

Mastriano then acknowledged that the legislature will attempt to take the power back from the Democratic governor and secretary of state offices over electors.

“That is exactly what we’re going to do,” he added, saying that it will “obviously be a struggle.”

“We’re gonna hear the palpitations and you know the outcries of our Governor [Tom] Wolf and Secretary [of State Kathy] Boockvar, whose resignation should have happened months ago and she shouldn’t have ever been confirmed,” the Pennsylvania Republican said on the show.

But it’s necessary, he argued, because there is “so much evidence of shenanigans and fraud, we can’t stand aside and just watch this unfold around us.” Elaborating, he said, “If there’s extensive shenanigans out there it’s up to the General Assembly to step in. So we have a fight on our hands and we’re gonna fight. We’re gonna take the fight all the way to the Supreme Court if we have to.”

During the hearing on Wednesday, Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis called on the legislature to exercise their constitutionally given authority.

“You are the best constitutionally-invested entity to do that,” Ellis said. “You have a variety of options in front of you.”

One possible method, she said, is for the legislature to call for a special election. Ellis also noted that state legislators “can direct the manner of your electors … one option should not be to ignore it and certify a corrupted, irredeemably compromised election.”

Giuliani, in the hearing, cited the 12th Amendment as well as the Constitution’s Article II, Section One that assigns the election to individual states to be conducted “in such manner as the Legislature thereof shall direct.”

Boockvar, the secretary of state and chief election officer in the state, has said she has seen no evidence of voter fraud or mass irregularities that would overturn the election results in the state. State data shows that Biden leads Trump by about 80,000 votes. Other secretaries in other states where the results are being challenged have made similar claims.


Here is the actual memoranda, co-sponsored this afternoon by numerous members of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives:
House Co-Sponsorship Memoranda

Excerpts:

In the immediate future, we will be introducing the following resolution... Declaring the results of statewide electoral contests in the 2020 General Election to be in dispute ...

Be it RESOLVED that the Pennsylvania House of Representatives ...

1. Recognizes substantial irregularities and improprieties associated with mail-in balloting, pre-canvassing, and canvassing during the November 3, 2020 election; and

2. Disapproves of the infringement on the General Assembly’s authority pursuant to the United States Constitution to regulate elections; and

3. Disapproves of and disagrees with the Secretary of the Commonwealth’s premature certification of the results of the November 3, 2020 election regarding presidential electors; and

4. Declares that the selection of presidential electors and other statewide electoral contest results in this Commonwealth is in dispute; and
Urges the Secretary of the Commonwealth and the Governor to withdraw or vacate the certification of presidential electors and to delay certification of results in other statewide electoral contests voted on at the 2020 General Election; and

5. Urges the Secretary of the Commonwealth and the Governor to withdraw or vacate the certification of presidential electors and to delay certification of results in other statewide electoral contests voted on at the 2020 General Election; and

6. Urges the United States Congress to declare the selection of presidential electors in this Commonwealth to be in dispute.
 

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I find prophecy interesting, but I've been stepping back. So many have said that Trump will win--some with detailed visions of OT biblical characters, angels, and all the regalia. Some of this has come from people with good reputations, and even some remarkably fulfilled prophecies.

I don't know how your dreams, or those of the prophets you cite, can be any more reliable than the ones who prophesied Trump would win? How are we to know the difference?

Right now I'm reading the biography of Reinhard Bonnke, "Living Life of Fire." In that book, he heard, many times, the voice of God in his head, telling him what to do.

And amazingly, his guidance proved remarkably effective. It lends to believability. On the other hand, we have these other men of God, equally reputable, but with apparently false prophecies. I wonder what God is telling me?

I do believe God speaks to us. If we don't have that relationship, what is our Christianity based on--philosophy? Theology? It really has to be a personal relationship with God in which He somehow speaks to our conscience, moment by moment, informing us as to what He's like so that we can abide in that spirit and morality.

I do look at the world, and can sometimes see what God is doing. I've seen that in a number of political elections. I've been able to see, early on, who God has anointed for the US presidency.

But this isn't prophecy. This is just seeing God operating in our world, maneuvering things the way He wants to, whether it helps Christianity or not. One day Satan will be given to defeat Christianity, when the Antichrist arises. And I think the Church has, in a sense, been defeated many times in the past.

But it's a temporary defeat. I'm praying for improved vision. And yes, I do believe in miraculous healing! May we all here experience miraculous healing for our eyesight, so that we can see spiritually in the clearest possible way!
 

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Writing this about a state?? PA is the Messiah?? I don't get that.

Much love!

Who knows how God may see it. God may see that state as the inheritance of the Quakers who lived there long ago, and dedicated that land to God?

My experience there was in the back streets where I almost got mugged from a bunch of young hoods in a gang. They asked me for money, and I defied them, hoping they would think I had protection--like a gun.

I didn't. I only had a verse from God that said, "they took Jesus to the edge of a cliff to throw him off, but he just walked away through their midst."

So I just kept walking, as they started to track me. And I came to an intersection where the pedestrian crossing just turned red. I decided to run for it. Rocks showered down around me. And only one hit me in the tail with no damage. So much for the City of Brotherly Love! ;)

But a miracle also took place there that very day. Maybe I'll share it some time? ;)
 

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Right now I'm reading the biography of Reinhard Bonnke, "Living Life of Fire." In that book, he heard, many times, the voice of God in his head, telling him what to do.

And amazingly, his guidance proved remarkably effective. It lends to believability. On the other hand, we have these other men of God, equally reputable, but with apparently false prophecies. I wonder what God is telling me?
This goes along with with what I've seen in my life, that these ministries are primarily personal, not all the celebrity or whatever. I've found that I can trust that voice that speaks His guidance into my heart, I can trust Him with my life.

I just don't see the OT style prophet being what's happening in the current time.

Much love!
 

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Boockvar, the secretary of state and chief election officer in the state, has said she has seen no evidence of voter fraud or mass irregularities that would overturn the election results in the state. State data shows that Biden leads Trump by about 80,000 votes. Other secretaries in other states where the results are being challenged have made similar claims.
What else do you expect from criminals other than "How do you plead?" "Not Guilty". This is the standard operating procedure for scoundrels. It's like asking a murderer whether there is any evidence for his crimes after he tries to destroy the evidence. Fortunately, everything remains in cyberspace. Also, spectrophotometry can prove how fake ballots were created. And then there a live witnesses.
 

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I find prophecy interesting, but I've been stepping back. So many have said that Trump will win--some with detailed visions of OT biblical characters, angels, and all the regalia. Some of this has come from people with good reputations, and even some remarkably fulfilled prophecies.

I don't know how your dreams, or those of the prophets you cite, can be any more reliable than the ones who prophesied Trump would win? How are we to know the difference?


I understand your concerns, Randy. As I was alluding to in Post #5, one of things I've learned from the last few months is not to make assumptions, or go beyond what is actually said in a dream or vision, and I believe this has been part of the problem in many cases. As I stated elsewhere, both Selveraj and Shamp stated word for word that "Trump will triumph," but then both were quick to qualify that statement by saying they did not know exactly what was meant by it, and I believe we are now finding out why. I believe it relates more to what will happen in this fight to preserve Democracy in America rather than to the outcome of the 2020 election.

What I mean is that it has become increasingly apparent how easy it is to jump to conclusions, and only those who are seasoned in the prophetic have learned to be careful not to put words in God's mouth, or go beyond what He has actually said.

There are some outright frauds who have been exposed through all this, but most of the problem relates to the above.

Anyway, stepping back is likely a good idea at the current time, until things maybe become a little clearer to understand in the future. As I've stated elsewhere as well, the end-time church is still in the infancy of learning to walk in Joel 2:28, so we still have things to learn.

God bless,
- H
 
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