Because God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24)...
However, Jesus has declared Him (John 1:18) and whoever has seen Jesus has seen the Father (John 14:7-11).
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However, Jesus has declared Him (John 1:18) and whoever has seen Jesus has seen the Father (John 14:7-11).
CharismaticLady
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The way I understand the Trinity is the way it makes perfect sense that if you see Jesus then you are seeing the Father (and the Spirit).
There is even one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4), the Father (John 4:23-24) and the Holy Ghost (John 7:39).
And the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father (John 15:26); yet is the same Spirit.
The Holy Ghost is distinct from the Father in that He has lived a human life (Luke 23:46).
Therefore He is the perfect intercessor (Romans 8:26-27).
The Son is also a Spirit (the same Spirit), since He is God (Ephesians 4:4, John 4:24)...
See also Ephesians 3:17, Colossians 1:27, 1 John 5:12.
While, the Son is also come in human flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).
See also Ephesians 3:17, Colossians 1:27, 1 John 5:12.
While, the Son is also come in human flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7).
CharismaticLady
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I understand what you are saying, and we must have the Spirit of Christ. Romans 8:9 But I do believe the Spirit of God was always here as well.
These are things I don't argue about as I can see Trinitarian theology, and Oneness theology. To me they are both right according to Isaiah 9:6, and my understanding of the Trinity. To me, it is like humans made in the image of God. We have a body, mind and spirit, and we aren't whole if one is missing.
Also, don't forget Genesis 1:1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
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BarneyFife
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Shall we really look for context 9 chapters away? Seems kinda desperate.
BarneyFife
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"But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
(Ezekiel 18:24)
No need for all of the "dead letter" folks to comment (feel free, of course, though). We all know that most Christians today believe the Old Testament has no authority, except for personal preference.
(Ezekiel 18:24)
No need for all of the "dead letter" folks to comment (feel free, of course, though). We all know that most Christians today believe the Old Testament has no authority, except for personal preference.
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BarneyFife
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But aren't the tares quite distinguishable in the parable? Even to the servants?
Ronald David Bruno
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Rates are weeds that resemble wheat.
"The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed on his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then far as also appeared." Matt. 13:24-26
Sometimes when you try to remove the tares, pull them out, wheat gets pulled out or damaged as well. So you just leave them and let them grow together.
When harvest comes, the Lord's angels will separate the wheat from the tares, gather the tares and burn them up.
If you ask me, sometimes it's hard to tell with people who attend church, they blend in, act all super-spiritual shut big smiles, put in a mask. But during the week, we don't see them or know them. If you get know them , the fruit they produce, then you might think, this is not a true Christian. Still we don't know their hearts. God could be working with them and years later enlighten them. We can't be quick to judge. Rarely did my Pastor of a mega church (3000) throw people out and ban them from returning without offering counsel and a chance to get through to the individual, unless they were obviously a threat, evil, but I witnessed a few.
CharismaticLady
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Truth is Truth, brother. Paul said the same thing in Romans 6:
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
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What are the signs in the church that we are to look for to indicate they are unbelievers?
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What are "rates" to which you refer? I pay rates on my land to the local Council. What's your version of "rates"?
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CL,
So, is the action of Jesus the same as the action of the Father and the action of the Spirit? Are you saying there are not 3 separate persons with 3 separate jobs to do in the Trinity?
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Barny,
Excellent point. In this kind of discussion we seem to miss the purpose of Jesus's telling parables which generally were short agricultural stories with an application. The application generally was no more than 1 or 2 points:
Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn’” (Matthew 13:24-30 NIV).
The main thrust of this parable was judgment at the end of time.
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CharismaticLady
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The action of Jesus is the will of the Father. Jesus does nothing without that. And the power He has is of the Holy Spirit that is also the will of the Father. The three are one, not three persons. Jesus is the only tangible of the three. He is the embodiment of the godhead. Col. 2:9. The godhead is GOD, containing the Father (mind/will), Son (the instrument), and the power (the Holy Spirit).
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You asked what are tares. The spellcheck switched it to "rates". In the scripture I posted it changed it to "far as". If you read the rest of the post you should habe seen "tares" twice and figured it out since that was your question. Of course you may know this and just are trying to be a smart.
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