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Davy

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Not gonna' pull any punches with this post. And I will not respond to follow ups about it. Take it or leave it.

To my Brethren and Sisters in Christ Jesus:

1. If you don't understand the beginning, you likely won't understand the end. I'm talking about the three separate earth ages written of in God's Word, specifically 2 Peter 3 for one example.

The 3 earth ages:
a. "the world that then was"
= the old world, God's Perfect creation at Genesis 1:1. A time when Satan was perfect in his ways, following God, no death, no sin. God had not created man in the flesh yet. Between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 there is a gap that no one except God knows the amount of time that passed.

Sometime between Gen.1:1 and 1:2 Satan rebelled against God in coveting His throne. Then the earth lay in a flooded destroyed state at Gen.1:2, and God is moving the waters that are overspread upon the whole earth, creating today's sky atmosphere around the earth, and then moving the waters left on the earth around until the dry land appears. That land was there all the time from Gen.1:2, for He originally created it back in the beginning at Genesis 1:1.

Jeremiah 4:23-28 reveals more about that time of the old world when God destroyed the surface of this earth with a flood the first time, and that was way... before the time of Noah. So this is not about the flood of Noah's day. The flood of Noah's day was actually a 2nd flood God had brought upon this ancient earth, long after He had created Adam in the flesh.

Peter in 2 Peter 3:5-6 tells us this 1st world earth age was of old, with the earth standing out of the water and in the water. That was about the waters upon the earth which God brought to end that old world. Men's traditions keep teaching instead that the whole Genesis 1 chapter is about the creation of this present earth age of today.

So what happened to cause our Heavenly Father to destroy that 1st world earth age?

Satan's rebellion, that's what. Satan said that he would sit in God's Place, in the sides of the North. And that he would be like GOD, and sit over the congregation! (Isaiah 14).

SIN entered in. The very first actual SIN, ever, was done by Satan in that old world when he coveted God's Throne. That is also when Satan and those of his angels that rebelled with him, were judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" (Matthew 25:41). In that first world earth age is when 'death' was assigned to Satan, and is why the title "son of perdition" actually applies to him mainly.

In the parables of Ezekiel 28, God reveals that Satan originally was perfect in his ways, until iniquity was found in him. It was Satan's job to guard God's Throne. Satan was at God's Altar, serving Him originally. That never happened during this present world earth age. It happened in the old world, prior to Genesis 1:2, but after Genesis 1:1. We do not know how long a time there was between God's original creation at Gen.1:1 and the destruction by a flood at Gen.1:2.

It is very, very, very important to understand this about the time of Satan's original rebellion in that 1st world earth age when God originally made His creation perfect, and not in a state of vanity like it's in today. If you don't understand that event, and why He ended that first world, then you won't understand what is coming at the very end of this 2nd world in our near future.


b. "the heavens and the earth, which are now" = this 2nd earth age that began right after Gen.1:2.

This is the present earth age we are still in, and it began at Genesis 1:2. This is not God's original perfect creation that He created at Genesis 1:1.

Apostle Paul in Romans 8 even reveals it's not, as he shows how God placed today's creation in bondage to vanity, and that it seeks a release from that bondage along with the manifestation of the sons of God. Our Heavenly Father simply did not create the earth in bondage to vanity in the beginning. He created a Perfect earth in the beginning at Genesis 1:1 (in Isaiah 45:18, God said He did not create the earth in vain, the same Hebrew word tohu translated to "without form" in Genesis 1:2). His Garden of Eden was here on earth in that time of the old world, even His River of the waters of life flowing out from Eden to feed four other rivers upon the earth then (per Genesis 2). (The parables in Ezekiel 28 and Ezekiel 31 symbolically pointing to Satan reveal God's Eden on earth in that old world before Satan rebelled when he was exalted over all the trees in God's Eden. God's Garden of Eden would remain upon this earth until Adam and Eve sinned.

God's creation today most think is how it has always been, but that's simply not true per all the fossil remains that have been found (even tropical fossils of animal and plant life found at the earth's Poles!). The reality for today's world, is that nothing is actually perfect, everything is in a constant state of degradation and imperfection and dies. There's rebirth, sure, but that can't be compared to the coming glory of the world to come written of in God's Word. Again in the Book of Romans, Apostle Paul reveals clearly our flesh imperfections and the ordained end for this flesh world of today. This present earth age is to be destroyed by fire, Peter says in 2 Peter 3:10-13.

The contrast to God's future new heavens and a new earth even shows then meat-eating animals like bears are not going to attack each other, but will graze. Sorry, Wild Kingdom TV shows (see Isaiah 11:6-10).

Who has ever seen a tree bearing its fruit all year round with its fruit never being consumed? And God's River shown to return per Ezekiel 47 in the future reveals it will flow out from the Millennium sanctuary on earth, and whatever waters on earth it contacts, those waters will be healed! Who has ever seen something like that on earth during this present world? And Revelation 21 shows in the future world there will be no more sea? Yeah, God's Word says that! Check it out! Where's all that water gonna' go, because this earth today is mostly covered with water!

Many don't understand this, but for the end of this present world earth age, our time, Satan is coming back to this earth, literally, to try and setup another beast kingdom like he rebelled with in the 1st earth age, when he first coveted God's Throne in wanting to be God. So do you recall the warning Apostle Paul gave in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 about that? That's who that "man of sin" is going to be, in Jerusalem, exalting himself as God, in the temple of God, and over all that is even called God, or that is worshiped! That covers ALL forms of worship on this earth!

This is why it is so important to grasp what happened in that 1st world earth age with Satan's original rebellion in wanting to be The GOD. That event caused God to destroy that old world, and before the foundation of this world, ordain the coming of His Son Jesus Christ in the flesh to die on the cross for the remission of sins of those who believe. For those who don't understand these events, Satan's return to this earth, in person, playing Messiah in Jerusalem, working great signs and wonders, may deceive you into thinking he is God. So understand why God destroyed that old world, and then you may begin to understand why He is going to allow Satan to come to earth with his angels to test us for the coming great tribulation (Revelation 12:7-17).
 
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Not gonna' pull any punches with this post. And I will not respond to follow ups about it. Take it or leave it.

Left it a long time ago along with theistic evolution. You cannot have life without light.
God Bless.
 

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Long ago, God, who has existed forever, formed the angelic beings, in order to serve Him in the Heavenly realms. There are a great number of angels and they have varying degrees of powers. The most powerful of these is Lucifer. [the light bearer]

It was a sad day for God when Lucifer began to aspire to take over God’s kingship. Lucifer said; “I will be like the Most High.” Isaiah 14:12-14. Then he convinced a third of the other angels to go with him in rebellion against God.


God had a dilemma. He couldn’t simply wipe out those beings that He had created, because as a perfect and righteous God, to arbitrarily destroy them would not prove His just sentence against them.

What was required were witnesses – intelligent, unbiased and independent jurors to sit at this trial of Lucifer and his followers, so that the defendants could not say to God- you are unjust. Job 34:10-12

So God thought about that universe that He had created in another dimension and tidied up a suitable planet in it. He prepared a beautiful garden, and then formed a man and a woman in His likeness. They were given free will over their actions.

God may have been quite happy had Adam and Eve continued in obedience to Him. However, I guess God knew that they wouldn’t and sin came into this world, which does give humans the choice between good and evil.

And so, the first civilization gradually fell into worse and worse sin, until God wiped them out with a great flood, saving only one family.

Once again, the population increased and God decided that one righteous man would father a nation that would become “a light to all nations” in order to show the world His ways and be a people who would become His jurors and His friends. Isaiah 43:10-11

God showed His love for these people by rescuing them from bondage in Egypt, giving them His laws and settling them into the Promised Land. According to His plan, they divided into two Kingdoms - the House of Judah and the House of Israel. 1 Kings 12:24

Sadly, even these peoples backslid into apostasy and idolatry. So, ‘God flung them out of His presence.’ Jeremiah 23:39 They went into exile among the nations of the world. The House of Judah remains a visible entity, but the House of Israel is lost to our knowledge – only to be identified when all twelve tribes are gathered into the Land.


Into Judah, God sent His Son, Jesus, to clearly tell all, esp the House of Israel; Matthew 15:24, who would listen how to live righteously in God’s sight. In order to atone for men’s sins, there has to be a sacrifice.

Jesus made that sacrifice for all those who accept Him as saviour, by His death on the Cross. He also demonstrated God’s power over death and Lucifer by rising to life again.


Now, nearly two thousand years later, most of Judah still refuse to recognize the Messiah, but Righteous Israel – those who love God and follow in His ways – await their redemption. Soon the Promised Land will be cleared of all wicked peoples, Jer. 12:14, and His Christian people will gather in it with great joy and gladness. Isaiah 35:10.
 

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The existence of the old world, a first earth age prior to Genesis 1:2, has nothing to do with man's theory of evolution. I do not support any type of man's theory of evolution. I am a creationist, I just differ on the 'when' God made His original creation.

Those who are willingly ignorant of that old world like Peter said in 2 Peter 3, try to use the false ploy that this idea in God's Word is about man's theories of evolution. Those men I speak of aren't just willingly ignorant only of that old world, but they often work with the devil's servants against it, mostly unknowingly in ignorance, and try to keep God's people from grasping this matter per God's Word. I even find some of those who try to use the theory of evolution against the idea in God's Word about that old world are often supporters of partial theistic evolution.

Jer 4:23-28
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.


Brethren in Christ, does that KJV phrase "without form, and void" look familiar? It should, because it is the exact same phrase used in Genesis 1:2 about the earth. It is the Hebrew phrase tohuw va bohuw, which means 'a waste and an undistinguishable ruin' (Strong's nos.8414 & 922).


But what's that phrase doing here in Jeremiah 4:23, especially with the following subject of what God at one time in the past did to the earth?


24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

Obviously for that to be true about an earth that had gone through a trembling and shaking, that has to mean the earth had already been created. And that "without form, and void" phrase cannot mean a state of space vacuum of nothingness. But as a space vacuum ether floating in outer space is exactly how the willingly ignorant try to interpret the "without form, and void" phrase in Genesis 1:2, their theory that God had not created earth matter yet at that point, and that when the Genesis 1:2 verse states the earth was already there, and with waters of the deep upon it.



25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger.

God caused a trembling and shaking of that old earth, a 1st earth age when Satan was originally perfect in his ways, serving God, and then rebelled against Him.

The end of Hebrews 12 mentions that first shaking of that old world with declaring God is going to shake this earth once more in our future, so the things man created will be gone but what He created shall remain:


Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, 'Yet once more', signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV

Exactly when... did God do that old shaking of this earth per the above?


That is what we are supposed to ask ourselves, because God did not shake the earth during the time of Noah to destroy man's works then; He used waters of a flood only in Noah's day. The old world, the 1st earth age prior to Genesis 1:2, is when God first shook this ancient earth, and moved it out of its original place, tilted it.

Did you know that aircraft pilots have to correct their compass heading when flying long distances over the earth, because true geographic north is off roughly 90 miles from true magnetic north? The old aviation saying is "east is least and west is best", meaning you correct your compass 6 degrees when flying east, and 8 degrees when flying west. This is not only because of the curvature of the earth; it's also because true geographic land north and magnetic north are not aligned, so it affects the compass heading over long distances. Was there once a shaking of this old earth that knocked that alignment out for this present earth age? I have no doubt that God did it to end Satan's original rebellion in that old world. Continuing in Jeremiah 4...

Jer.4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger.

A fruitful place, and then a wilderness? That's the very idea of the "without form, and void" phrase in the Hebrew (tohuw va bohuw). It's about something good that became vanity and a waste. Were there literal cities on the earth in that 1st earth age when Satan was originally perfect in serving God per Ezekiel 28? Yes, Ezekiel 31 gives a parable about that time using the idea of the Assyrian as a type for Satan...


The below Scripture uses the flesh king of Assyria (Ezekiel 31:3) as 'type' for Satan in the old world before he rebelled against God. God uses the symbols of a high cedar tree as one who is exalted in His Garden. And we can easily know God is giving a parable here about Satan, because the flesh king of Assyria never was in God's Garden of Eden, but Satan was.

Ezek 31:5-9
5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
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Did you notice those symbols change from description of the symbolic trees in God's Eden to the subject of, "and under his shadow dwelt all great nations"? God is giving a 'wake up' call with that symbolic comparison to the time of that exalted one in His Garden of Eden. It means in that old world, a 1st earth age when Satan was still perfect in his ways following God, there existed nations then, cities, like this Jeremiah 4:26 verse reveals that were destroyed at God's fierce anger, ending Satan's rebellion in that old world.


(to be continued...)

 

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(Continued)

Jer 4:27-28
27 For thus hath the LORD said, "The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it."
KJV


This is also connected to Apostle Paul talking about God's original perfect creation having been put into vanity and bondage, per Romans 8.

The whole land shall be desolate, but God said He would not make a full end, and He didn't. God's creation today sits in bondage to corruption. The earth for this 2nd earth age mourns for a release from the bondage of corruption it is in (see further below in Romans 8). That is a direct idea from Apostle Paul in Romans 8 that confirms this Jer.4:23-28 state of the earth when God ended that old world, and began this 2nd earth age at Genesis 1:2 forward. In the above Jeremiah 4:28 verse, God gives us a scientific clue about that...

What does that, "and the heavens above be black" mean? Well, what do the clouds up in the sky look like when they get full of water and turn dark grey? It means a storm is brewing.

Did you know that the many holes in our sky atmosphere around the earth is responsible for the violent weather of this 2nd world earth age? The sun beads down upon the earth through those holes in the sky and causes waters to evaporate, and that hot rising air and moisture then mixes with cold air up at altitude, and gets the winds turning causing storms, at times really violent storms. That is the main source of our violent weather system during this present world.

But what would happen if all those holes in today's sky were filled up over the entire earth? It would be like a greenhouse, the earth inside a controlled environment. The temperature around the earth would be even all around it. It would literally turn into a Garden of Eden over the whole earth. The earth's Poles would no longer be freezing, and the earth's equator zone would not be scorching hot. The fossil evidence that exists at both Poles, and even in the earth's desert zones, suggests the ancient earth was once in this type of Garden of Eden state, tropical animal and plant fossils found in those locations. Of course publications like National Geographic doesn't talk about this link with the old world that God destroyed at Satan's rebellion, because the fossil evidence goes directly against Satan's theories of evolution by his servants. If you know when God's Word speaks about it, (as I'm showing from Scripture) that's enough proof that old world once existed, God's Paradise literally established upon this whole earth at one time before Satan's rebellion.

Where would one get enough water to fill all those holes in today's sky atmosphere around the earth? From the seas and oceans...

Rev 21:1
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

KJV

Isn't that remarkable? God tells us that in the future 3rd world earth age, His new heavens and a new earth, all those seas and oceans upon this earth will no longer exist! So where is all that water on the earth today going to go? You guessed it, back up into the sky atmosphere around this earth, filling all those holes in today's sky. Do you think that future event might be a 'putting back' of God's original perfect creation of Genesis 1:1 in the beginning?

(to be continued...)
 
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Here is the actual flow of the first part of Genesis 1 per the above Scripture evidence that there was a previous world earth age prior to this one, a time when Satan was originally 'perfect in his ways' until he rebelled in coveting God's Throne. The actual "without form, and void" idea has nothing to do with some gaseous ether state of nothingness before the earth was formed. That idea is actually man's scientific reasoning applied to God's Word there, and is not what our Heavenly Father was revealing. So this has nothing to do with any idea of man's evolution theory. Those who say so merely try to use that as a pry bar to get brethren away from understanding what really happened in the world of old when the dragon rebelled.

Gen 1:1-10
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This was God's original perfect creation of the earth and the heavens. We do not know how long ago this creation was. But by His Word He spoke, and it was so. This is the time that Apostle Peter was pointing to with "... by the Word of God the heavens were of old... " (2 Peter 3:5).



2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

This phrase "without form, and void" in the Hebrew is 'tohuw va bohuw'. The word tohuw is most often used in the Old Testament to mean something that originally was in a good state that went bad, i.e., became nothing or a worthless thing. It does not mean something began in a state of nothingness, which is man's pseudo-science attempt to explain this. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated tohuw va bohuw as 'a waste' and 'an undistinguishable ruin'. When we read the Jeremiah 4:23-28 version of "without form, and void", Strong's translation becomes obvious why he pointed to the earth being in a state of ruin with those Hebrew words.


So the earth had gone into a ruined and wasted condition at this point at verse 2. That means something happened to God's original perfect creation at verse 1. What could have happened to cause God's fierce anger to tremble the hills and mountains, and make all the cities broken down at His presence? (Jeremiah 4:23-28). Satan's rebellion is what happened, for Satan sinned from the beginning like Apostle John said.


God ended that old world earth age He first created at verse 1. At verse 1 was when Satan followed God and was perfect in his ways (Ezekiel 28). At verse 2 Satan rebelled.

We have no way of knowing just how much time passed between those Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 verses. But the state of the earth at verse 2 is with a flood of waters over all of it, the earth being underneath all those waters. Mark that this was not the time of Noah; even Adam had not been created yet at this point of Genesis 1:2.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

If you'll notice that above in comparison with the later Genesis 1:14-18 verses, God didn't create the sun and moon until later. What division between light and darkness might this be here? If you've understood that God originally created Satan perfect in his ways, and that he originally served God, and was the anointed cherub that covereth, and then he rebelled in wanting to be God, then you ought to know what this division between light and darkness here was actually about.


6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

A firmament means the sky, the atmosphere around the earth, cloud vapor. Here God caused a separation between all the waters covering the earth from that old flood. He moved a portion of those waters on the earth to up in the sky...


7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Those waters that went up formed today's cloud system around the earth. The rest of the waters were left on the earth still covering it.


9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas: and God saw that it was good.
KJV


Then God gathered the waters around that were left upon the earth, and made the land underneath appear, which became dry land. Just like when He caused the waters to recede off the earth during the flood of Noah's day.

This was the condition of the earth that Apostle Peter was pointing to with "... and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished." (2 Peter 3:5-6). At Genesis 1:2 the earth was overflowed with water, perishing that first world earth age when Satan rebelled. The earth was then left standing out of the water and in the water, God separating the waters upon the earth to form today's second world earth age, putting God's creation of this second world into a state of bondage to corruption to represent what Satan did in that old world. This is why Apostle Paul would say in Romans 8:18 forward that the creation today was placed in bondage to corruption, in vanity, seeking a release along with the future manifesting of the sons of God.
 
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