God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.

GISMYS_7 said:

Regenerative healing comes from believe and accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior then obey and be baptized.
Yes!! Baptism is nothing more than getting wet for the unbeliever!.

Read in context and understand. Mark 16:16 5And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Who is condemned?? answer= the unbeliever not the un baptized as baptism does not save and the baptized unbeliever is not saved.
Satan's great deception is having unbelievers thinking that they are saved and on their way to heaven just because they were baptized as a baby or later on in life. ====A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL!!

How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.............

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The unbeliever will be condemned because he will not get baptized for the remission of his sins.

Jesus knew that, silly.

Truther said:

Even adults with a child's mental capacity can know right from wrong.

Baptizing a baby is less than mental.

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Then, perhaps YOU can answer what @GISMYS_7 completely failed to answer . . .

HOW can a baby enter a Covenant in the OT - but NOT the NT?
Remember that a "Covenant" is a binding agreement.

GISMYS_7 said:

Regenerative healing comes from believe and accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior then obey and be baptized.
Yes!! Baptism is nothing more than getting wet for the unbeliever!.

Read in context and understand. Mark 16:16 5And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Who is condemned?? answer= the unbeliever not the un baptized as baptism does not save and the baptized unbeliever is not saved.
Satan's great deception is having unbelievers thinking that they are saved and on their way to heaven just because they were baptized as a baby or later on in life. ====A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL!!

How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.............

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Thanks - but until you answer the questions that were posed to you - your arguments have been squashed . . .

Truther said:

Even adults with a child's mental capacity can know right from wrong.

Baptizing a baby is less than mental.

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Sin is rebellion against God.
It therefore, requires full use of one's faculties.

If you can prove that a severely retarded/mentally-challenged person has full use of their faculties - then you MIGHT have a point.
Until then, however, your argument is impotent . . .

Truther said:

The unbeliever will be condemned because he will not get baptized for the remission of his sins.

Jesus knew that, silly.

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Yep!
No water = no remission
No water = no born again
No water = Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)

GISMYS_7 said:

I offer no argument, I just posted the eternal living Word of God.
Regenerative healing comes from believe and accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior then obey and be baptized.
Yes!! Baptism is nothing more than getting wet for the unbeliever!.

Read in context and understand. Mark 16:16 5And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Who is condemned?? answer= the unbeliever not the un baptized as baptism does not save and the baptized unbeliever is not saved.
Satan's great deception is having unbelievers thinking that they are saved and on their way to heaven just because they were baptized as a baby or later on in life. ====A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL!!

How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.............

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First of all - I already addressed your false statement above in RED. in post #183.

Secondly, answer the question that you and @Truther have so far failed to answer:
HOW can a baby enter a Covenant in the OT - but NOT the NT?

Remember that a "Covenant" is a binding agreement.

GISMYS_7 said:

Read in context and understand. Mark 16:16 5And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Who is condemned?? answer= the unbeliever not the un baptized as baptism does not save and the baptized unbeliever is not saved.

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Baptism does save. Peter said so (1Pet 3:21)
Jesus also says baptism saves because he said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
That's belief + baptism = salvation.
You need to believe Jesus.

What happens to unbelievers is a different topic.

GISMYS_7 said:

Understand!!! There is NO regenerative healing of Baptism the regenerative healing comes from believe and accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior then obey and be baptized.
Yes!! Baptism is nothing more than getting wet for the unbeliever!.

Read in context and understand. Mark 16:16 5And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Who is condemned?? answer= the unbeliever not the un baptized as baptism does not save and the baptized unbeliever is not saved.

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Paul says regenerative healing (renewal) comes in baptism:

“..he saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we had done, but according to his mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit.” (Titus 3:5)

“Do you not know that all of us who have been baptised into Christ Jesus were baptised into his death? Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.” (Rom 6:3-4).

This healing/regenration was foreshadowed in the OT
"So Naaman went down and plunged into the Jordan seven times at the word of the man of God. His flesh became again like the flesh of a little child, and he was clean." (2Kg 5:14)

Jesus said “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (Jn 3:6)
And how are we born of the spirit? J
Jesus said "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God".

You need to believe Jesus

GISMYS_7 said:

BECAUSE of what Jesus did that we can be regenerated by believing in and accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior and then obey and be baptized!!!

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That's not what jesus said.
Jesus said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
That's belief + baptism = salvation
You need to believe Jesus

GISMYS_7 said:

I offer no argument, I just posted the eternal living Word of God.
Regenerative healing comes from believe and accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior then obey and be baptized.
Yes!! Baptism is nothing more than getting wet for the unbeliever!.

Read in context and understand. Mark 16:16 5And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Who is condemned?? answer= the unbeliever not the un baptized as baptism does not save and the baptized unbeliever is not saved.
Satan's great deception is having unbelievers thinking that they are saved and on their way to heaven just because they were baptized as a baby or later on in life. ====A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL!!

How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.............

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We are not discussing unbelievers

Jesus said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
That's belief + baptism = salvation
You need to believe Jesus

GISMYS_7 said:

Baptism is nothing more than getting wet for the unbeliever!.
Read in context and understand. Mark 16:16 Who is condemned?? answer= the unbeliever not the un baptized as baptism does not save and the baptized unbeliever is not saved.

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OK so you turn Mark 16:16 from this...

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

into this...

He that believeth and is un-baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

friend of said:

Look man (woman?) Paul's own words were that he baptized hardly anyone. Think for one second, why he would say such a thing if water sprinkling was the true way to salvation. It's not. Faith in Christ is what matters. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?

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If you know the New Testament - it's NO great mystery WHY Paul didn't spend a lot of time baptizing.

Baptizing is done to NEW believers and their families to incorporate them of the Body of Christ. Paul spent most of his time traveling around and setting up the Church in different locations, laying hands on and appointing Elders and Bishops in those regions. THEY, in turn, did the Baptizing of the new converts and their children. This doesn't negate the importance of Baptism - it simply shows the different ROLES within the Church.

It's the SAME today. Most bishops do FAR less baptizing than the average parish priest.
So much for your "Paul didn't baptize much" argument . . .

Marymog said:

I Fight for the Truth...Do you?

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No, you don't.
You are the most offensive and un-christlike person on this forum.

At least Bread Of Life posts in a decent way.

GISMYS_7 said:

So are you saying that a believer that has accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior is not saved if he has not been baptized??

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OK let's take another look...

Mark 16:16 ...

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

He that believeth (accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior) and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Triumph1300 said:

No, you don't.
You are the most offensive and un-christlike person on this forum.

At least Bread Of Life posts in a decent way.

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That was a question about YOU not me: Do you fight for the truth?

Patient Mary

GISMYS_7 said:

but he that believeth not shall be damned. and what of the person that is not baptized??=Nothing said!!!

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After introducing the person who "believes not", why in the name of common sense would it be necessary for the Lord to emphasize the unbeliever's state of condemnation?

Jesus plainly says...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


And here, Peter plainly says...

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.