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... If you can't handle discussing one verse, ...

I told you that you weren't up to the challenge. And as I've already asserted, -- CONTEXT requires a multitude of EVIDENCE --, just like a court case. So either drop it, or face it.

And as to your: "you need to be corrected"; be a man and step up. PROVE to me that what Scripture and History substantiate is FALSE. But you better bring a lunch pail. -- And I'll be right here when you have sufficient stones.

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I understand your concerns, Randy. As I was alluding to in Post #5, one of things I've learned from the last few months is not to make assumptions, or go beyond what is actually said in a dream or vision, and I believe this has been part of the problem in many cases. As I stated elsewhere, both Selveraj and Shamp stated word for word that "Trump will triumph," but then both were quick to qualify that statement by saying they did not know exactly what was meant by it, and I believe we are now finding out why. I believe it relates more to what will happen in this fight to preserve Democracy in America rather than to the outcome of the 2020 election.

What I mean is that it has become increasingly apparent how easy it is to jump to conclusions, and only those who are seasoned in the prophetic have learned to be careful not to put words in God's mouth, or go beyond what He has actually said.

There are some outright frauds who have been exposed through all this, but most of the problem relates to the above.

Anyway, stepping back is likely a good idea at the current time, until things maybe become a little clearer to understand in the future. As I've stated elsewhere as well, the end-time church is still in the infancy of learning to walk in Joel 2:28, so we still have things to learn.

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Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. Sounds like sage advice!

However, I'm hardly a newbie in learning to walk with the Lord. What I can never say is what God will do next...unless of course God tells me! ;)

I think God is just warning us to avoid being too presumptuous. As I recently told my wife, why guess about it? If God wants us to know, He'll make it unavoidably clear! :)
 

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"As for the Supreme Court, which would rule on any urgent cases within a matter of weeks, Olsen notes that Chief Justice Roberts has long been reluctant to settle political disputes with judicial power. Roberts and the other justices are also likely to follow the practice of granting deference to State courts when it comes to interpreting their own states' laws and constitution—a practice that makes it less likely the Supreme Court will hand down a thunderbolt ruling to award the election to Trump."
How Trump can and can't use the courts to shape the election

@Enoch111, @historyb.

It should be noted (where the OP is concerned) that the above will NOT be the case in the State of Pennsylvania, even though the PA supreme court is now defiantly standing in the way of the PA Commonwealth Court hearing the case, and has been the source of the entire problem in the State to begin with.

This is why Pennsylvania is indeed now proving to be the lynchpin in the entire GOP case.
 
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I think God is just warning us to avoid being too presumptuous. As I recently told my wife, why guess about it? If God wants us to know, He'll make it unavoidably clear! :)

:)

I believe He actually is making things fairy clear now personally, but it requires taking everything the Spirit is saying into consideration at once, and since few are into keeping up with prophecy that closely it's not something many will do. But, yes. It most certainly is about keeping our peace regardless. Those who stay close to the Lord have no reason to worry. So long as they abide in Him, He will guide them in whatever direction they need to go regardless. :cool:
 

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I believe He actually is making things fairy clear now personally, but it requires taking everything the Spirit is saying into consideration at once, and since few are into keeping up with prophecy that closely it's not something many will do. But, yes. It most certainly is about keeping our peace regardless. Those who stay close to the Lord have no reason to worry. So long as they abide in Him, He will guide them in whatever direction they need to go regardless. :cool:

That hasn't been my problem! My problem is that I, in the past year, had begun to re-emphasize prophecy in my life. I thought I had been too indifferent to it, and began to listen, again, to the prophets that are out there. I listened to loads of them, including on this website.

The problem is, the prophecies have not all come true. And I found myself having committed myself to believing in prophecies that had been misleading others, creating false expectations.

It doesn't help me if you say, "But I had it right. So listen to me from now on." The other ones had it right at times, as well. We really need 2 or 3 witnesses to anything. Your group of 2 or 3 witnesses are not always made available to me. And those witnesses also may get it right only sometimes.

When Jesus said he was coming back to establish his Kingdom, his disciples wanted to know when. In other words they wanted to prognosticate, or do crystal ball reading. But Jesus told them that it was necessary to look at the Kingdom a little differently. Instead of trying to anticipate the time and the seasons, they should simply recognize what the true Kingdom looks like so that we prepare for that Kingdom by conforming our lives to the true Christ.

The purpose of prophecy is to get us to conform to God's word. So in all of these prophecies, I have to ask myself: is it getting me upset or too excited? Or, is it making me stable and peaceful as I trust in Him? I know I'm probably just preaching to the choir, but for some like myself, this needs to be repeated.
 
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That hasn't been my problem! My problem is that I, in the past year, had begun to re-emphasize prophecy in my life. I thought I had been too indifferent to it, and began to listen, again, to the prophets that are out there. I listened to loads of them, including on this website.

The problem is, the prophecies have not all come true. And I found myself having committed myself to believing in prophecies that had been misleading others, creating false expectations.

It doesn't help me if you say, "But I had it right. So listen to me from now on." The other ones had it right at times, as well. We really need 2 or 3 witnesses to anything. Your group of 2 or 3 witnesses are not always made available to me. And those witnesses also may get it right only sometimes.

I truly do appreciate your candor. I think you may be voicing things that others have been thinking but not able to articulate.

Let me answer with the same honesty: I would never listen to all of them, or even "loads of them" as you said. As I was stating on another thread, I realized after all this went down that what the Word of Faith crowd calls "prophecy" is actually just an attempt to "confess" things into existence. That is why they get upset with their followings when things don't manifest into existence; those who listened to them supposedly didn't "believe" hard enough. But again, this was only after the election when I started noticing this stuff. I quite honestly had NO IDEA so many people prophesied Trump would win. No idea. I was shocked, but that is precisely because I don't keep track of many who "prophesy." You are right that I limit myself to listening only to a small handful of people that have witnessed to my spirit in the past as hearing from the Spirit of God. As for track records, I have no idea if the three men I honor have been perfect, but then I don't hold to such a criterion anyway. I think the "A prophet must be 100% accurate or he is a false prophet" argument is based on a false interpretation of scripture (too much to explain here). For that matter, I would never tell anyone, "I had it right. So listen to me from now on." For one thing, I'm not certain I am right yet. As per Post #5, my prediction that Trump would lose was based on what an open-ended dream suggested, but it was not stated outright. For another, even if I were correct on that, it is no guarantee that I would be right about something else tomorrow. Interpretation is a complex practice, and it is what makes some take the position that none of it is to be trusted. I simply take it as reason to seek the Lord all the more diligently, and it is a lesson I am coming more and more to the realization of before opening my mouth again in the future.

But that said, I do honor those who witness to me as operating in true prophetic authority, and there are (as you said) three of them, though others can be used of God at any time and in any given situation.

That being said, I can't tell you or anyone else who to honor. They have to witness to your spirit as well, or you wouldn't listen for long. So you are again in a situation where you will have to seek things out for yourself. I do think over time you will see people who emerge that you begin to regard as being on a different level, but even then I wouldn't bet the farm on something they said necessarily coming to pass with certainty. For one thing what they actually mean may be different than how others are perceiving it, as I have been pointing out in this thread.
When Jesus said he was coming back to establish his Kingdom, his disciples wanted to know when. In other words they wanted to prognosticate, or do crystal ball reading. But Jesus told them that it was necessary to look at the Kingdom a little differently. Instead of trying to anticipate the time and the seasons, they should simply recognize what the true Kingdom looks like so that we prepare for that Kingdom by conforming our lives to the true Christ.

Ummm... I would disagree with you on this one. I think Jesus was pretty much spelling out the times and seasons in Matthew 24. He did also give the teaching on the Kingdom of God being within us, but that was to correct the mindset that the Pharisees were walking in that the Messianic Kingdom would have to be at hand in order for Jesus to be the Messiah, and He knew it would be a very long time still before the millennial Kingdom would be established on earth.
The purpose of prophecy is to get us to conform to God's word. So in all of these prophecies, I have to ask myself: is it getting me upset or too excited? Or, is it making me stable and peaceful as I trust in Him? I know I'm probably just preaching to the choir, but for some like myself, this needs to be repeated.

I think everyone needs to ask this. For myself, I find it extremely intriguing, and can't wait to see how things actually play out prophetically. I was telling Forrest that November has been the slowest month on record for me, because it seems like things are dragging in slow motion almost. But yes, if it steals your peace then it is not being a blessing to you but a curse.

Things will play out how they will play out, and one way or another, all of us will still be in a place of needing to focus on the Lord and trust in Him regardless, especially more so in the future because I think things are going to get darker. But they will get brighter for those who trust in Him. :)

Thanks for the responses. I think others try to engage me on it, but expressing honest doubts in a good spirit is different than raising ridiculous arguments out of little more than closed-minded pessimism. So it's nice being able to bat things back and forth with someone like yourself.

God bless,
- H
 
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I'm assuming you mean about Trump still losing, LoL.

That was always based on the following dream, which has been accurate up until the present:
A Warning About The 2020 Election

The reason I've always still held out a little hope is because it ends somewhat open-ended. But the suggestion is:

1. The DNC actually enters into the White House illegally, and
2. They are drunk with power.

The latter could simply be explained by the power they presently already wield, as is apparent with all the voter fraud; i.e. they are drunk (with power) even before entering. But the former is harder to explain without them actually entering in and possessing the White House for some period of time. It could refer to Biden's apparent win at the present time, since he is already assigning people to cabinet positions. But I always honor what a dream actually suggests rather than what I want or what might be popular opinion, and the way the dream ends still strongly suggests to me what I have said all along. There is nothing in the dream itself to suggest a Trump win, but hopefully the true end of the story was never included in the dream.

God bless,
- H

Hi HIH,
I must say this. They are ALL drunk on power. At the end of the day in Washington, all of the very well to do politicians rep and dem, go out for 500 dollar dinners and drinks, at our expense. And, they are laughing all the way to the bank and patting one another on the back. There really are no "parties" at the end of the day. It is all a farce, all of it IMHO. Why do so many Christians concern themselves with "the cares of this world"?? How about Christians act like Christian's and perhaps, oh I don't know...evangelize? It's just another way to keep our eyes off of Christ and on the world.
So, ya want a king, huh?
Love you brother,
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This is not a Prophesy but a lot of info on the election corruption from three people who are in the know about what is going on behind the scenes. It is an hour long. the second half is scary to think is possible.
It is worth the time. Maybe add some context to some of the Prophesy's
WVW-TV Exclusive: Lt. General Michael Flynn's First Interview Since President Trump's Pardon | Worldview Weekend Broadcast Network

Wow. 42:57-45:06. That is interesting. If it's true, we have a CIA facility killing American soldiers in order to protect the Deep State from exposure.

Wonder how that would go over with the American people.
 

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How about Christians act like Christian's and perhaps, oh I don't know...evangelize? It's just another way to keep our eyes off of Christ and on the world.
So, ya want a king, huh?
Love you brother,
nancy


Well, that's what may come out of all this, Nancy. If the corruption going on on the Left to utterly destroy our Democracy cannot be stopped, all hope will then transfer to the church and praying for the power of God to change society, because evil forces will then assume control over the government in perpetuity. Personally I think it would be a good thing in many ways, because the power of God can change men's hearts whereas the government cannot; it can only regulate behavior and keep it from becoming unbridled.

So it sounds like we are ultimately after the same things. But yes, I've never put a great deal of stock in politicians or politics in general. It's a stopgap. I've always stressed the Lord Jesus Christ as the answer. But how this election turns out will determine how quickly the church finally turns her focus more completely to the Lord: Now, or in another four years.
 
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That happened about a week ago MSM still has not reported on it. 5 dead American soldiers Killed by the CIA and no one is interested in it. The American people don't know about it. that's why I posted the link.
Just a guess but a lot of soldiers may not be to happy with the CIA people about now.
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That happened about a week ago MSM still has not reported on it. 5 dead American soldiers Killed by the CIA and no one is interested in it. The American people don't know about it. that's why I posted the link.
Just a guess but a lot of soldiers may not be to happy with the CIA people about now.
Pomp.


Five US soldiers killed in raid on CIA server farm in Frankfurt |
Five US soldiers killed in raid on CIA server farm in Frankfurt
Sat 12:54 am +00:00, 28 Nov 2020
posted by Tapestry

Right this very minute, a covert war between the DoD and the CIA is raging across the planet, and we now believe a firefight took place during the DoD raid on the CIA server farm in Frankfurt, resulting in the loss of five US Army soldiers as well as the death of one CIA commander. All those deaths have been reported in the mainstream media, by the way.
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Strange, -- I've been following the news fairly closely, and had heard about the Frankfurt "Server" RAID on or about November 14th, but NOTHING about FIVE U.S. Soldiers and a CIA "commander" being KILLED.


News? What News?!? -- Must be a News Blackout ...
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Strange, -- I've been following the news fairly closely, and had heard about the Frankfurt "Server" RAID on or about November 14th, but NOTHING about FIVE U.S. Soldiers and a CIA "commander" being KILLED.

News? What News?!? -- Must be a News Blackout ...
Bobby Jo


What's also interesting is, the previous link mentioned Fox News having flipped. I heard that before and thought it was probably just exaggeration, but now that I think about it, the only one on a Fox channel who seems to be reporting much on the election fraud is Lou Dobbs, and he's just on Fox Business once a day.

Not saying I blame the hosts, but the way Fox News in general seems to be dealing with this is getting increasingly peculiar.
 

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What's also interesting is, the previous link mentioned Fox News having flipped. I heard that before and thought it was probably just exaggeration, but now that I think about it, the only one on a Fox channel who seems to be reporting much on the election fraud is Lou Dobbs, and he's just on Fox Business once a day.

Not saying I blame the hosts, but the way Fox News in general seems to be dealing with this is getting increasingly peculiar.

You must remember that Rino Paul Ryan was hired on for the board of directors at Fox news 2 yrs ago.that is when the Fox pols went negative for Trump.
Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartaroma and Judge Junene are still there.
 
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... Fox News in general seems to be dealing with this is getting increasingly peculiar.

... beyond "peculiar", downright DISHONEST. -- Per your previously CITED News NOW FOX Youtube video, -- Trump held a Press Briefing wishing the Troops a Happy Thanksgiving, which turned into an Election Fraud debate with Trump bringing out FACT after FACT after FACT; and then the News NOW FOX "journalist" refuted and rebutted EVERYTHING the President said, without providing anything other than his "assertions".


I tell you again, that EVER ONE of satan's attacks against this president by satan's minions HAS FAILED. And so satan will PERSONALLY have to ascend from the pit to murder both Trump & Pence (Rev. 11). -- And this agrees with Scripture's apparent TIMING; these CANDIDATES; and that NECESSITY. But of course without that understanding most would simply :shrug: and ignore our Historically Precedent Setting circumstances. And so I'd advise anyone with DOUBT to CHALLENGE the premise, but NOT ignorantly disregard that assertion.

Bobby Jo
 

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I truly do appreciate your candor. I think you may be voicing things that others have been thinking but not able to articulate.

Let me answer with the same honesty: I would never listen to all of them, or even "loads of them" as you said. As I was stating on another thread, I realized after all this went down that what the Word of Faith crowd calls "prophecy" is actually just an attempt to "confess" things into existence. That is why they get upset with their followings when things don't manifest into existence; those who listened to them supposedly didn't "believe" hard enough. But again, this was only after the election when I started noticing this stuff. I quite honestly had NO IDEA so many people prophesied Trump would win. No idea. I was shocked, but that is precisely because I don't keep track of many who "prophesy." You are right that I limit myself to listening only to a small handful of people that have witnessed to my spirit in the past as hearing from the Spirit of God. As for track records, I have no idea if the three men I honor have been perfect, but then I don't hold to such a criterion anyway. I think the "A prophet must be 100% accurate or he is a false prophet" argument is based on a false interpretation of scripture (too much to explain here). For that matter, I would never tell anyone, "I had it right. So listen to me from now on." For one thing, I'm not certain I am right yet. As per Post #5, my prediction that Trump would lose was based on what an open-ended dream suggested, but it was not stated outright. For another, even if I were correct on that, it is no guarantee that I would be right about something else tomorrow. Interpretation is a complex practice, and it is what makes some take the position that none of it is to be trusted. I simply take it as reason to seek the Lord all the more diligently, and it is a lesson I am coming more and more to the realization of before opening my mouth again in the future.

But that said, I do honor those who witness to me as operating in true prophetic authority, and there are (as you said) three of them, though others can be used of God at any time and in any given situation.

That being said, I can't tell you or anyone else who to honor. They have to witness to your spirit as well, or you wouldn't listen for long. So you are again in a situation where you will have to seek things out for yourself. I do think over time you will see people who emerge that you begin to regard as being on a different level, but even then I wouldn't bet the farm on something they said necessarily coming to pass with certainty. For one thing what they actually mean may be different than how others are perceiving it, as I have been pointing out in this thread.

Ummm... I would disagree with you on this one. I think Jesus was pretty much spelling out the times and seasons in Matthew 24. He did also give the teaching on the Kingdom of God being within us, but that was to correct the mindset that the Pharisees were walking in that the Messianic Kingdom would have to be at hand in order for Jesus to be the Messiah, and He knew it would be a very long time still before the millennial Kingdom would be established on earth.

I think everyone needs to ask this. For myself, I find it extremely intriguing, and can't wait to see how things actually play out prophetically. I was telling Forrest that November has been the slowest month on record for me, because it seems like things are dragging in slow motion almost. But yes, if it steals your peace then it is not being a blessing to you but a curse.

Things will play out how they will play out, and one way or another, all of us will still be in a place of needing to focus on the Lord and trust in Him regardless, especially more so in the future because I think things are going to get darker. But they will get brighter for those who trust in Him. :)

Thanks for the responses. I think others try to engage me on it, but expressing honest doubts in a good spirit is different than raising ridiculous arguments out of little more than closed-minded pessimism. So it's nice being able to bat things back and forth with someone like yourself.

God bless,
- H

You're like me--kind of "long-winded" in expressing yourself, but you have a lot to say. Thanks for that--no insult intended. It's all good, and some of it I really like.

I'm really in a "healing" mode, brother, after listening to these prophets and seeing what a disaster, and an embarrassment, it's been. It's a period of adjustment for me, and don't be surprised to hear a little frankness in my tone, with perhaps a little rudeness, or vindictiveness. I'm only human.

For what it's worthy, I listened to "loads of prophets," but that didn't mean I gullibly accepted all of them. Some go way back in my life to people who I long ago looked up to. For example, Neville Johnson was a an associate of Sundar Selvaraj, and Selvaraj, like Johnson, claimed elaborate visions, replete with OT biblical characters and very detailed messages. And Johnson goes way back in my Charismatic days to men of God I really looked up to--men of good reputation.

I agree with the distinction between "false prophet" and "prophetic presumption." Most Christians that give false prophecies are simply mistaken, and have sinned with the sin of presumption--they are not "false prophets." False Prophets are those who try to lead men away from Christ, away from salvation, and away from true spirituality.

So I don't use the standard "100% perfect" either. And over time, I think I may be able to accept prophecies, visions, and dreams again. It's just that right now, I've lost all of my trust in them. For now, I'm just listening to God in my own life--not in politics.

If you have 2 or 3 good witnesses, have at it! That's the biblical rule to go by. We are indeed supposed to be able to discern what is of Christ, and what is merely an "appearance" of Christianity. But it really isn't always easy.

I loved what you said about the Faith Teachers and the Confessors. I think you're hitting the nail on the head on that one! They are trying to "prophesy things into existence," when prophecy is actually supposed to be telling us what God is going to do--not what we're going to "claim!"

Wonderfully said, and I agree wholeheartedly. In fact, some prominent Faith Teachers were right there with Trump, urging him on, sadly.

If Trump made any major mistake, it was the thought that he could take on the entire Establishment in the U.S. I did think he should do right above all, but now realize that the entrenched powers cannot be so easily removed--sometimes we have to work with them. And Trump wouldn't do that.

Thanks for some good words! :) I might add this brother, just to show you how difficult things can be. K. Copeland is the most prominent Faith Teacher I know of, and carried on after Oral Roberts, a very prominent Faith Healer. When I was young, I used to give regularly, at least for a time, to Oral Roberts' ministry.

Copeland is spoken well of in the autobiography I'm reading now, by Reinhard Bonnke, an amazing--utterly amazing--Evangelist. Bonnke has literally brought millions in Africa and around the world to the Lord--most in the 3rd World.

How can I insult Copeland when he gave Bonnke millions of dollars and prophesied, early on, that Bonnke would one day reach a million souls at a single crusade? Copeland was right on that prophecy, but apparently wrong on the Trump prophecy!

It's a crazy world. If you can make sense of it, please help me out. You do have a good spirit.
 
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You must remember that Rino Paul Ryan was hired on for the board of directors at Fox news 2 yrs ago.that is when the Fox pols went negative for Trump.
Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartaroma and Judge Junene are still there.

There's Sean Hannity and Steve Hilton, among others. I do think Fox is trying to recover from an over-emphasis on Trumpism. Incidentally, I liked the over-emphasis! ;) For the time being, Fox has gotten very weak--I hope they recover their conservative bias, and not be led by the likes of Chris Wallace.
 
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Yes, Marks!! The Spirit is saying that the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania actually is the God of both the Old and New Testaments!!!

See Post #13 !!!!!!
Perhaps you miss my point.

Myself, I wouldn't have the guts to appropriate that language that way, and I don't see the Holy Spirit using Messianic language for one of man's governments.

But that's just me.

Much love!
 
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