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JohnDB

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And this is your choice. From what you have said, we agree that COVID vaccines should NOT be mandated. Let’s just leave it at this.
I'm thinking of starting a conspiracy theory that forces all conspiracy theorist to get vaccinated against their will....just to watch their histrionics.
 

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I'm thinking of starting a conspiracy theory that forces all conspiracy theorist to get vaccinated against their will....just to watch their histrionics.
This would be funny if it were not so serious. I encourage you to wait a bit like @aspen has said he will do before taking the plunge. When Apple comes out with an update, I always wait before installing it to see if there are major bugs. It’s prudent to see what’s what. Much more so when it comes to our health.
 

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This would be funny if it were not so serious. I encourage you to wait a bit like @aspen has said he will do before taking the plunge. When Apple comes out with an update, I always wait before installing it to see if there are major bugs. It’s prudent to see what’s what. Much more so when it comes to our health.
Well,
If we test them out on the conspiracy theorist first we'll know that they are safe for the rest of us. (Besides the obvious histrionics)
 

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Well,
If we test them out on the conspiracy theorist first we'll know that they are safe for the rest of us. (Besides the obvious histrionics)
Still not taking this seriously?? Okay, be the guinea pig. I support your right to do so. :)
 

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On top of this...

There's usually about 5-10% of the world's population that can't take a vaccine or that for whatever reason it is not that effective with. It will have some effectiveness...just not as much as everyone else.

And those factors are configured into the numbers when delivered.
And there’s a certain percentage who WILL BE HARMED by vaccines. It’s really a game of Russian roulette.
 

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Just for your information. In June 2019 there had been 2,800,000 deaths in the US. (Rounded). In June of 2020 we had about 3,000,000 deaths. A jump of about 200,000.

So it appears we have had an increase of deaths in the US. The only thing that really changed was COVID.

Now I not discounting the article on lies lies. I do believe we have exaggerated the numbers of death from COVID. However I also believe COVID has caused a LOT of deaths and also caused serious permanent damage to others.

People have a tendency to swing too far to one side or the other, when the real answer is more in the middle. COVID is very dangerous for some people. Particularly those with underlying problems that COVID makes worse causing a premature death. BUT COVID is not causing as many deaths as claimed.

This IS a dangerous disease. When you u look at the death it has caused world wide it can't be denied.

As far as the vaccines are concerned. I am not anti-vaccine. I have gotten my flu shot. I will be getting the COVID vaccine. But that doesn't mean I believe that the COVID deaths are accurate.
Your statistics don’t square with the ones cited by the analyst in the article I quoted in my Lies... thread. She got her stats from the CDC. Where do your stats come from??
 

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And there’s a certain percentage who WILL BE HARMED by vaccines. It’s really a game of Russian roulette.
Less a chance of finding a bullet with a vaccine than a bullet with a virus.
 

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And there’s a certain percentage who WILL BE HARMED by vaccines. It’s really a game of Russian roulette.
I seriously doubt it.

8 billion people on the planet who have all received Vaccines of some sort. Usually made by the lowest bidder in the worst of conditions.
And they haven't been harmed...but in fact actually thrived. Life expectancy is going up around the world. Especially in the States... because of Vaccines and other preventative treatments.
The numbers of people living is steadily increasing and people are living longer...how do you think that happened?

This is just another vaccine. One the world desperately needs.

Better a hundreth to a tenthousandth of one percent be harmed than the 12% of virus victims. It's a numbers game and you aren't on the surviving side.

But yet people keep insisting that this one vaccine is going to hurt us more than the virus ever will?
That's insanity and fear Mongering.

By the time I actually get a chance to get vaccinated all the medical field will have taken it...as well as the nursing homes and first responders and soldiers.
I'm so far down the list of important people it's pathetic.
So where I do plan to get vaccinated billions to hundreds of millions will have been vaccinated before I'm allowed to get one.

There are limited supplies available. They have all been made small scale up to this point... like one quart at a time. But they have been at it a while. Soon they will go large scale...gallons at a whack.

And more Vaccines are heading towards approval. We'll have at least ten to choose from by spring... couple dozen by summer.

A hundred by next Christmas.
 

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"Those who caught covid-19 for Thanksgiving will be in the ground or still in the morgue by Christmas."

Mostly because there aren't any hospital beds available...

Then there's the routine cardiac arrest patients who get no care and die because the Covid patients have overwhelmed the hospitals.

Children with catastrophic issues as well dying because the nurses and doctors are all busy with Covid patients.

Might as well go to a hotel when sick...
 

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This myth I have heard from Cuomo. Dude take a chill pill it ain't that bad
What myth?
This is Nebraska in the article.

20% positive test rate...that's really high.

Nashville hospitals are full just like Nebraska's are.

Chill pill?

Really?
 

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What myth?
This is Nebraska in the article.

20% positive test rate...that's really high.

Nashville hospitals are full just like Nebraska's are.

Chill pill?

Really?

The myth that it's coming like it's some boogeyman. Yes chill pill, dude your acting just like what you say you don't like. Your acting like a conspiracy nut. You went from a rational person to unhinged about this because it touched your friend and now your no different than the conspiracy nuts who say things don't exist except your on the other end.

The answer is not the emotionalism that you display, the answer is logic and rational and no your not that right now. Your not even the guy I first met who was cool and collective. Now your no different than anyone else right now being over emotional and lashing out at people who don't accept your way.

Not every hospital is full and never will be, or some full or what they think is full sure. I was in the hospital with sepsis and cellulitis and there were two beds in each room but they had one patient in each room claiming they were full. So don't believe everything you read in papers or told. Someday I hope your like you were before.
 
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6. Other systemic adverse reactions were common in the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 group: muscle ache (294 [60%] participants without paracetamol and 27
EVERYONE look up this chadox1
I am going to bring you all what i find .
 

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Fig. 1. Construction of MERS-CoV vaccine candidates. (A) Schematic representation of ChAdOx1 and MVA based vaccines, each encodes the same MERS-CoV spike gene (Genbank accession number: KJ650098.1). The S gene was inserted into the E1 region of ChAdOx1 genome or into the F11L locus of MVA genome (see Section 2). tPA: Human tissue plasminogen activator (tPA) signal peptide sequence. IE CMV: The human cytomegalovirus major immediate early promoter. mH5 and F11: Poxviral promoters. LHA: left homology arm sequence. RHA: right homology arm sequence. (B) The expression of spike transgene, cloned into a plasmid vector, was confirmed by transfection s an African green monkey kidney cell line (Vero cells) and immunostaining. (C) Untransfected cells control. Green colour represents detection of the spike protein. Blue colour represents nuclei by staining nucleic acid with DAPI. (For interpretation of the references to colour in this figure legend, the reader is referred to the web version of this article.)
 

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MRC-5 (Medical Research Council cell strain 5) is a diploid cell culture line composed of fibroblasts, originally developed from the lung tissue of a 14-week-old aborted Caucasian male fetus.[1][2] The cell line was isolated by J.P. Jacobs and colleagues in September 1966 from the seventh population doubling of the original strain, and MRC-5 cells themselves are known to reach senescence in around 45 population doublings.[2][3][4]

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MRC-5 cells are currently used to produce several vaccines including for hepatitis A, varicella and polio.[5]

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