Could this be the system used to enforce the mark of teh beast globally?

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IBM promises 1000-qubit quantum computer—a milestone—by 2023.

We know the bible tells us that after the Antichrist rises from the dead in Rev. 13, the false prophet will cause all to receive a mark and no one can buy or sell unless they have that mark.
The obstacles have been huge!

1. Computing power to track and use and compute that much info in a timely manner
2. How to get it globally established
3. How to track all this info and movement in real time.

We are seeing the potential answers already being used in the world today.

1. Quantum computing. A Quantum computer can do in seconds the number of calculations that over dozens of supercomputers takes hours to do.

2. Cell phones- over 5 billion cell phones are in use in the world today that is 2/3 of the words population! (Granted many people have multiple phones but...)

3. China already is able to track and monitor its citizens through phones, cameras and other devices. They can publicly shame people for being dead beats and ban people from riding all with technology. As 5 G becomes common, we will have the band speed to monitor untld number of people.

4. the internet of things. As more things become attached to the internet- more tracking can be done. Right now they have "smart thread" in use. If a shirt is left on the side of the road, one can bring to limited places now, and they can track that shirt from manufacturing to teh last time it was worn and who owns it!

5. Several nations and companies are already instituting RFID type chips so that no one can enter buildings, access technology on site or even use vending machines without first swiping their hand.

6. The great reset that is supposed to happen starting in 2021. Covid has been a boon to the globalists. It has allowed plans to be speeded up dramatically as the world is suffering under crushing debt and a global depression. More and more countries are going to digital currency and getting rid of physical money. Another way to track people and their habits and stop criminal enterprises.

I am not saying these things will be the answer! BUT, it is things like this ( or even this- I do not know) that will allow the antichrist to track the global citizenry and be used to help hunt down Christians and Jews.

These are the last days we live in. With Israel back in her land and technologies like this and world plans for a global religion and govt. These are exciting times to be a believer! God has raised us up for these times! Let us take advantage of His Authority and exalt HIs name where and when we can!
 

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IBM promises 1000-qubit quantum computer—a milestone—by 2023.

We know the bible tells us that after the Antichrist rises from the dead in Rev. 13, the false prophet will cause all to receive a mark and no one can buy or sell unless they have that mark.
The obstacles have been huge!

1. Computing power to track and use and compute that much info in a timely manner
2. How to get it globally established
3. How to track all this info and movement in real time.

We are seeing the potential answers already being used in the world today.

1. Quantum computing. A Quantum computer can do in seconds the number of calculations that over dozens of supercomputers takes hours to do.

2. Cell phones- over 5 billion cell phones are in use in the world today that is 2/3 of the words population! (Granted many people have multiple phones but...)

3. China already is able to track and monitor its citizens through phones, cameras and other devices. They can publicly shame people for being dead beats and ban people from riding all with technology. As 5 G becomes common, we will have the band speed to monitor untld number of people.

4. the internet of things. As more things become attached to the internet- more tracking can be done. Right now they have "smart thread" in use. If a shirt is left on the side of the road, one can bring to limited places now, and they can track that shirt from manufacturing to teh last time it was worn and who owns it!

5. Several nations and companies are already instituting RFID type chips so that no one can enter buildings, access technology on site or even use vending machines without first swiping their hand.

6. The great reset that is supposed to happen starting in 2021. Covid has been a boon to the globalists. It has allowed plans to be speeded up dramatically as the world is suffering under crushing debt and a global depression. More and more countries are going to digital currency and getting rid of physical money. Another way to track people and their habits and stop criminal enterprises.

I am not saying these things will be the answer! BUT, it is things like this ( or even this- I do not know) that will allow the antichrist to track the global citizenry and be used to help hunt down Christians and Jews.

These are the last days we live in. With Israel back in her land and technologies like this and world plans for a global religion and govt. These are exciting times to be a believer! God has raised us up for these times! Let us take advantage of His Authority and exalt HIs name where and when we can!

I'm afraid you're making some assumptions which just are not true.

The real "mark of the beast" is a spiritual mark in the 'mind', and in the 'hand' represents doing its works. A mark for buying and selling is different, and is received only by accepting the coming Antichrist as savior and worshiping the image of the beast.

Rev 13:15
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

KJV

Will all of us who remain faithful waiting for Lord Jesus to come be killed? No.

But some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Jesus by The Holy Spirit against them, as written. Jesus said to not think beforehand what you will say in that hour, because it won't be us that speaks then, but The Holy Spirit (Mark 13).

Per Revelation 13 & 17, the beast that suffers the 'deadly wound' is one of the "seven heads" which we are told are "seven mountains" (7 areas of the earth), not... the Antichrist. Someone has misled you into not recognizing that Rev.13 teaches about 2 different beasts, a beast kingdom, and a beast king (Antichrist).

Revelation 12:3-4 told you about that old beast kingdom that had seven crowns when Satan drew a third of the angels ("stars"). That system of old when Satan first sinned against God was what suffered the 'deadly wound' that is to be healed at the end of this world with the final beast kingdom of Rev.13.

Satan's Original Beast Kingdom of Old - "seven crowns":
Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

Satan's Final Beast Kingdom for the Tribulation - "ten crowns":

Rev 13:1
13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV
 

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I'm afraid you're making some assumptions which just are not true.

The real "mark of the beast" is a spiritual mark in the 'mind', and in the 'hand' represents doing its works. A mark for buying and selling is different, and is received only by accepting the coming Antichrist as savior and worshiping the image of the beast.

Rev 13:15
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

KJV

Will all of us who remain faithful waiting for Lord Jesus to come be killed? No.

But some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Jesus by The Holy Spirit against them, as written. Jesus said to not think beforehand what you will say in that hour, because it won't be us that speaks then, but The Holy Spirit (Mark 13).

Per Revelation 13 & 17, the beast that suffers the 'deadly wound' is one of the "seven heads" which we are told are "seven mountains" (7 areas of the earth), not... the Antichrist. Someone has misled you into not recognizing that Rev.13 teaches about 2 different beasts, a beast kingdom, and a beast king (Antichrist).

Revelation 12:3-4 told you about that old beast kingdom that had seven crowns when Satan drew a third of the angels ("stars"). That system of old when Satan first sinned against God was what suffered the 'deadly wound' that is to be healed at the end of this world with the final beast kingdom of Rev.13.

Satan's Original Beast Kingdom of Old - "seven crowns":
Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

Satan's Final Beast Kingdom for the Tribulation - "ten crowns":

Rev 13:1
13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV
All I said was that your eschatology is probably incorrect and you wanted to get into it all.

I won't make the mistake of replying to you again.

And if you are blind to the things I've stated as being evidence....that in itself should be a huge clue that your hermeneutics are insufficient.

YOur first statement I agree 100% with. Taking the mark is receiving the Antichrist as Savior and Lord, but the bible also says it controls commerce. and it is a physical mark


Well you follow an eschatological bent that I have not seen before. I would strongly disagree with it but that is a different subject for a different thread.
 
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YOur first statement I agree 100% with. Taking the mark is receiving the Antichrist as Savior and Lord, but the bible also says it controls commerce. and it is a physical mark


Well you follow an eschatological bent that I have not seen before. I would strongly disagree with it but that is a different subject for a different thread.

Don't know what 'bent' you speak of. I keep to God's Word, not man's. Maybe it's you... that can't understand how you are listening to men's pop ideas instead. If you don't understand about Satan's original rebellion when he drew one third of the angels with him, as written, then no wonder you would think what I said is some 'bent' of imagination.
 

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Rejecting the mark is not being prepared what to say. The only thing that will spiritually save some one is: "Please chop my head off". 5 simple words. No thinking or standing up for righteous deeds, just 5 simple words.

It is not that any one is forcing the mark. It is God removing your name from the Lamb's book of life and placing an expiration date on you. You have not physically died, and now you are marked for the Second Death and there is nothing you can do about it. What if those who worship Satan catch on and start refusing to chop off heads. Head chopping will have to go "underground" as being illegal. Who is going to be able to chop off their own head?

This may sound drastic and counter intuitive, but when the time comes, one cannot say they were not warned reading this. The mark is God rejecting you, not just a means of Satan controlling you. Revelation 17:8

"The people living on earth whose names have not been written in the Book of Life since the founding of the world will be astounded to see the beast that once was, now is not, but is to appear."

These on earth have the mark of the beast. The only humans left to die. All other humans have already passed from this current life to the next.
 

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Don't know what 'bent' you speak of. I keep to God's Word, not man's. Maybe it's you... that can't understand how you are listening to men's pop ideas instead. If you don't understand about Satan's original rebellion when he drew one third of the angels with him, as written, then no wonder you would think what I said is some 'bent' of imagination.

Wow folks like you need to come up with new lines to mock someone.

Yes I know Satans rebellion, but you have ideas that have never been written or spoken of> Are you claiming special revelation? Why do folks like you have to hurl these not so subtl;e ad-hominems around when someone simply makes a statement to learn more about what you are talking about!

You make allegorical interpretations of passages of Scripture where there is no warrant for them. I can defend my answers biblically and not by som e"pop" ideas as you falsely accuse me of!

This seven regions is wrong!

One of them gets destroyed and is restored???? Really ??????????????
 
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I think the start of the mark will be the nannite (tiny robots) technology that will be infused into the global Covid-19 vaccine. Once injected those bots alter your RNA and DNA. And supposedly 5G technology is able to communicate with them as well. Making us what amounts to droids and after receiving the "mandatory" vaccine. As it looks now, due to the claim of Covid-19 being so deadly and wide spread, all propaganda, and like unto the mask mandates around the world and in the states today, we will not be able to enter any public place unless we prove we've had the vaccination.

The mark then? a chip implant that can be scanned to show compliance with the vaccination mandate. And/or a tattoo mark atop that place on the skin.

Impossible? Oh, look to Sweden to see how easy it is to get something like implanted chips started.
"Oh, think of how convenient it is to be chipped! No more identity theft, etc...." Right, make it seem as if it is good for you and people will comply. Easy, good for you, yes, some of us are just that naive. :(
See the still image in that video clip? A woman I know went to Arizona on vacation last year.At a convenience store she purchased gas at the pumps and then went inside to buy snacks.
A woman in front of her paid for her stuff by moving the top of her hand under what looks like the scanning guns grocery stores use today for big ticket items. After waving her hand under that gun, the register spit out her paid receipt.
She was implanted with chip that linked directly to her debit card account. I know because our friend asked her about that afterward when they were outside in the parking lot.
 

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I think the start of the mark will be the nannite (tiny robots) technology that will be infused into the global Covid-19 vaccine. Once injected those bots alter your RNA and DNA. And supposedly 5G technology is able to communicate with them as well. Making us what amounts to droids and after receiving the "mandatory" vaccine. As it looks now, due to the claim of Covid-19 being so deadly and wide spread, all propaganda, and like unto the mask mandates around the world and in the states today, we will not be able to enter any public place unless we prove we've had the vaccination.

The mark then? a chip implant that can be scanned to show compliance with the vaccination mandate. And/or a tattoo mark atop that place on the skin.

Impossible? Oh, look to Sweden to see how easy it is to get something like implanted chips started.
"Oh, think of how convenient it is to be chipped! No more identity theft, etc...." Right, make it seem as if it is good for you and people will comply. Easy, good for you, yes, some of us are just that naive. :(
See the still image in that video clip? A woman I know went to Arizona on vacation last year.At a convenience store she purchased gas at the pumps and then went inside to buy snacks.
A woman in front of her paid for her stuff by moving the top of her hand under what looks like the scanning guns grocery stores use today for big ticket items. After waving her hand under that gun, the register spit out her paid receipt.
She was implanted with chip that linked directly to her debit card account. I know because our friend asked her about that afterward when they were outside in the parking lot.

If not this then some next generation to come. all depends when god allows this all to take place!
 
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Well no matter what eschatology one holds to, we can know this for sure.

No one will take the mark of the beast by accident. Not only is it required for commerce, but it is also the counterfeit sealing of the spirit! We are marked invisibly, but teh antichrists followers will be marked visibly. People will accept teh mark with the knowledge they believe the Anti-Christ is the Christ.
 

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Wow folks like you need to come up with new lines to mock someone.

Yes I know Satans rebellion, but you have ideas that have never been written or spoken of> Are you claiming special revelation? Why do folks like you have to hurl these not so subtl;e ad-hominems around when someone simply makes a statement to learn more about what you are talking about!

You mean you never read the Revelation 12:3-4 verses and understood what timing that is??? I didn't make that up, and what I said certainly is not new! You are certainly confused.

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

The system in Revelation 13:1 has "ten crowns", that one above had "seven crowns". Can you not see that difference? and that the above is given with the timing of when Satan ("red dragon") drew a third of the angels ("stars") to earth with him? That is about Satan's original rebellion of old.

Luke 10:18-20
18 And He said unto them, "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
KJV


If you don't understand those things, then you probably don't understand the parable God gave in Ezekiel 28 & 31 and Isaiah 14 about Satan rebelling against Him of old.
 

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You mean you never read the Revelation 12:3-4 verses and understood what timing that is??? I didn't make that up, and what I said certainly is not new! You are certainly confused.

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

The system in Revelation 13:1 has "ten crowns", that one above had "seven crowns". Can you not see that difference? and that the above is given with the timing of when Satan ("red dragon") drew a third of the angels ("stars") to earth with him? That is about Satan's original rebellion of old.

Luke 10:18-20
18 And He said unto them, "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
KJV


If you don't understand those things, then you probably don't understand the parable God gave in Ezekiel 28 & 31 and Isaiah 14 about Satan rebelling against Him of old.


Well I know that Satan rebelled sometime after His creation and before He tempted Eve.

He was created in one of the first 4 days of creation week.

This vision is of Satan in Rev. 12

In Rev. 13 it is a vision of His physical son- The Antichrist

So what is your point!
 

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Well I know that Satan rebelled sometime after His creation and before He tempted Eve.

He was created in one of the first 4 days of creation week.

This vision is of Satan in Rev. 12

In Rev. 13 it is a vision of His physical son- The Antichrist

So what is your point!

My point is, that God's Word reveals the existence of a whole other world earth age prior to the time of God creating man in the flesh. That of course is prior to the time of Adam and Eve, and prior to any and all people created in the flesh. The only verse you'll find pointing to that old world in the Book of Genesis is at Genesis 1:1 when God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning, which is about His original 'perfect' creation prior to Satan's rebellion. But the Genesis 1:2 verse is actually pointing to its destruction by God, which is further described in Jeremiah 4:23-28. This is one of the matters Apostle Peter in 2 Peter 3 said that many are willingly ignorant of, and wrest with in Paul's Epistles.

That original creation is when Satan followed God, his job being as a covering cherub to guard the Mercy Seat (Ezekiel 28 parable). That old world was before Satan sinned in coveting God's throne for himself. That is when Satan drew a third of the angels into rebellion with him (Revelation 12:3-4). That is when Jesus said He saw Satan as lightning fall from heaven (Luke 10:18).

Revelation 13 beast -- that Chapter is proclaiming TWO different beasts. The 1st beast coming out of the sea has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. WHY HAVE YOU DENIED THIS TEN HORNS, SEVEN HEADS, AND TEN CROWNS, WELL KNOWING IT IS NOT ABOUT AN ANTICHRIST PERSON???

The 2nd beast mentioned in that Rev.13 Chapter is the "another beast" of Revelation 13:11-14 that has two horns 'like' a lamb (i.e., like Christ), but speaks as a dragon (another title for Satan per Rev.12:9). YOU WELL KNOW THIS TOO IF YOU READ REV.13, OR YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH IF YOU HAVE NOT READ IT.
 

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My point is, that God's Word reveals the existence of a whole other world earth age prior to the time of God creating man in the flesh. That of course is prior to the time of Adam and Eve, and prior to any and all people created in the flesh. The only verse you'll find pointing to that old world in the Book of Genesis is at Genesis 1:1 when God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning, which is about His original 'perfect' creation prior to Satan's rebellion. But the Genesis 1:2 verse is actually pointing to its destruction by God, which is further described in Jeremiah 4:23-28. This is one of the matters Apostle Peter in 2 Peter 3 said that many are willingly ignorant of, and wrest with in Paul's Epistles.

That original creation is when Satan followed God, his job being as a covering cherub to guard the Mercy Seat (Ezekiel 28 parable). That old world was before Satan sinned in coveting God's throne for himself. That is when Satan drew a third of the angels into rebellion with him (Revelation 12:3-4). That is when Jesus said He saw Satan as lightning fall from heaven (Luke 10:18).

Revelation 13 beast -- that Chapter is proclaiming TWO different beasts. The 1st beast coming out of the sea has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. WHY HAVE YOU DENIED THIS TEN HORNS, SEVEN HEADS, AND TEN CROWNS, WELL KNOWING IT IS NOT ABOUT AN ANTICHRIST PERSON???

The 2nd beast mentioned in that Rev.13 Chapter is the "another beast" of Revelation 13:11-14 that has two horns 'like' a lamb (i.e., like Christ), but speaks as a dragon (another title for Satan per Rev.12:9). YOU WELL KNOW THIS TOO IF YOU READ REV.13, OR YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH IF YOU HAVE NOT READ IT.

You are so incorrect about Genesis.

There was no world before Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2

tohu vaw bohu does not mean the heavens and earth became desolate and empty. Genesis 1:2 shows that the earth created in Gen. 1:1 was empty and desolate. then we go through the rest of creation week and it is no longer empty and desolate!

Peter speaks of the flood. That world perished with the exception of Those in the ark! Not some preexisting world that flourished with whatever your imagination places in it that the bible doesn't.

Your second paragraph is all supposition that has no scriptural support.

Rev. 13 shows the dragon and two beasts--the antichrist and the false prophet. satan gives the first beast his kingdom and authority- the very things the son of God refused , Satans son will accept. The Antichrist is the last part of the fourth kingdom of Daniel. This kingdom has been alive and active on planet earth since its first iteration (Rome) conquered the Grecian Empire. The antichrist has the power and authority of all the iterations of the other parts of the fourth beast. I have read this chapter well over 100 time's having taught it in Bible College.

As for teh Second beast who is the false prophet, I know about him as well. and I am telling the truth.



Genesis 2
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2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.


there is no warrant for a pre-creation creation of angels. This very strongly implies everything made was made in the six days!
 

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You are so incorrect about Genesis.

There was no world before Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2

Sure there was. You are simply willingly ignorant of it, like Peter says (2 Peter 3).

tohu vaw bohu does not mean the heavens and earth became desolate and empty. Genesis 1:2 shows that the earth created in Gen. 1:1 was empty and desolate. then we go through the rest of creation week and it is no longer empty and desolate!

Hebrew tohuw (8414) actually points to something that was once in a good state that went bad, into vanity or confusion. Using a simple Englishman's Concordance on that word shows the many situations in the OT with how tohuw was used.

Job 6:18
18 The paths of their way are turned aside; they go to nothing (tohuw), and perish.

KJV

Isa 45:18
18 For thus saith the LORD That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain (tohuw), He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

KJV

Rom 8:20-22
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him Who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
KJV

That is the idea which Apostle Paul was speaking of in Romans 8 about God have placed His creation in bondage to vanity. The Hebrew tohuw is the equivalent idea above by Paul. That is what Apostle Peter was pointing to in Paul's Epistles that he said are hard to understand, and that many wrest with (2 Peter 3:13-16).
 

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Sure there was. You are simply willingly ignorant of it, like Peter says (2 Peter 3).



Hebrew tohuw (8414) actually points to something that was once in a good state that went bad, into vanity or confusion. Using a simple Englishman's Concordance on that word shows the many situations in the OT with how tohuw was used.

Job 6:18
18 The paths of their way are turned aside; they go to nothing (tohuw), and perish.

KJV

Isa 45:18
18 For thus saith the LORD That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain (tohuw), He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

KJV

Rom 8:20-22
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him Who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
KJV

That is the idea which Apostle Paul was speaking of in Romans 8 about God have placed His creation in bondage to vanity. The Hebrew tohuw is the equivalent idea above by Paul. That is what Apostle Peter was pointing to in Paul's Epistles that he said are hard to understand, and that many wrest with (2 Peter 3:13-16).

TOHUW is simply:

The KJV translates Strong's H8414 in the following manner: vain (4x), vanity (4x), confusion (3x), without form (2x), wilderness (2x), nought (2x), nothing (1x), empty place (1x), waste (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness

    1. formlessness (of primeval earth)
      1. nothingness, empty space
    2. that which is empty or unreal (of idols) (fig)

    3. wasteland, wilderness (of solitary places)

    4. place of chaos

    5. vanity
Tohuw and bohuw are simple common nouns which mean emptiness and desolate. In order for you to have a valid opinion the key is the verb "was" hayah.

The genesius Hebrew/Chaldee Lexicon as well as Keil and Delitzch both show this to be the qal perfect which cannot be translated as "became" meaning that is was plush and in habited and somehow becoame desolate.

Your ad-hominem that I am willingly ignorant makes you act pre-pubescent.

2 Peter speaks of the flood! Which today the world is willingly ignorant as well as a majority of Christendom rejects the flood! Context matters.

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

The
flood is one of the most scoffed at biblical concepts. Not some imagined pre creation creation that was made ruinous by the Satanic rebellion!

Romans 8 speaks of the fall of Adam. Once again context matters!

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


It speaks of the creation and mankind! It is the fall. There we see God placing curses on things! Not some pre creation creation.

How could God call the earth good and the heavens, if the heavens were subject to supernovae, star collisions, black holes, and all the other myriad things that are destructive that take place in space.

Genesis 2
King James Version

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Why do you feel the need to correct the SCriptures? There is a perfectly good hebrew word for "recreate" or "make again" to show that the six days of creation were actually a re-creation of things (or at least the first three days) that became devastated by a rebellion? The language of Scripture gives no warrant for it!

Let us look at Genesis 1:

Genesis 1
King James Version

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

This is day one! The initial act was calling in to existence earth and space. The earth is described as empty and desolate or barren. god created light and separated it into day and night!

Day one!

But according to your reinterpreted translation- day one was just light being created because space and earth were already there for however long you imagine it to be.

Genesis 1:8
King James Version

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Day two god creates an atmosphere! and traps it by the varied layers of the atmosphere. (the raqia God called shamayim) What we call teh first heaven.

Genesis 1:9-12
King James Version

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.



Day three- god causes the land which was "5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

The land was underwater, then He called it to stand out of the water and the dry land appeared! Not re-appear.

Genesis 1:14-19
King James Version

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

God creates the sun, moon and stars! Not recreates them.

See it is that easy! If we let teh bible speak for itself- we see an orderly progress of creation with no hint of a recreation of anything!

YOu have to have your rebellion in a world covered with water or imagine a world that had dry land and got covered with water again and God had to have the dry land not appear but re-appear. Why didn't God say so then instead of waiting for someone like you to correct his poor choice of words???????
 

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Yes OP, Quantum Computers are the latest step towards the Mark of the Beast. Good job in keeping up with technology.

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TOHUW is simply:

YOu have to have your rebellion in a world covered with water or imagine a world that had dry land and got covered with water again and God had to have the dry land not appear but re-appear. Why didn't God say so then instead of waiting for someone like you to correct his poor choice of words???????

It's no use, God did not give for you to know about that old world when Satan was perfect in his ways, and then rebelled, and God ended that old world.

And it certainly is NOT my rebellion, you white washed wall! You think I'm going for one minute allow that false accusation and your vain attempt at defamation of character pass?

What Jesus said below applies especially to those like you...

John 8:43-44
43 Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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The creation of the stars, was the creation of the angels. Science turned angels into gas giants. All the ancients knew the stars were created beings. When it says the third part of the stars are locked in the abyss now, it means in Adam's day, there were a third more stars then, than there are now. Trust God, not Satan’s science. Then no one has to come up with absurd imaginations. The Garden of Eden was created 1000 years after the first week. After the Garden of Eden was when Satan rebelled, and then tempted Eve....

That is why Satan is bound one last 1000 years. God allowed sin for 6000 years. Now God allows one more 1000 years without sin. Yet even in longsuffering, God allows Satan one more chance. We see, Satan could not change, even then.
 

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The creation of the stars, was the creation of the angels. Science turned angels into gas giants. All the ancients knew the stars were created beings. When it says the third part of the stars are locked in the abyss now, it means in Adam's day, there were a third more stars then, than there are now. Trust God, not Satan’s science. Then no one has to come up with absurd imaginations. The Garden of Eden was created 1000 years after the first week. After the Garden of Eden was when Satan rebelled, and then tempted Eve....

That is why Satan is bound one last 1000 years. God allowed sin for 6000 years. Now God allows one more 1000 years without sin. Yet even in longsuffering, God allows Satan one more chance. We see, Satan could not change, even then.

Can't get much better on 'absurd imaginations' as what you said above.

Stars are used as 'symbols' in God's Word for angels. It does not mean stars are literal angels.

The third part of stars that Satan drew to earth per Rev.12 was about his rebellion in the first world, literally drawing one third of God's children (angels) into rebellion against Him. That of course means two-thirds of the angels did NOT follow Satan in that time. The angels that rebelled during the days of Noah are not those same angels that rebelled with Satan in the old world before Adam. The "sons of God" angels of Gen.6 were only a part of those original ones of Rev.12:3-4.

The Garden of Eden existed BEFORE Satan rebelled against God. This is easy to know per the parable God gave in Ezekiel 28 when Satan was once in God's Garden and "perfect in thy ways"...

Ezek 28:13-15
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.


14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.


15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

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The prince and king of Tyrus were flesh men, which is how those descriptions start off, but we well know those flesh men were NEVER in God's Garden of Eden, but Satan was. And NO flesh born man is a "anointed cherub that covereth", which is about a cherub heavenly being that covers the Mercy Seat, the Throne of God in Heaven.

Very simple to understand, not rocket science like the unbelieving try to make it.