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Is that not simply and utterly wonderful? This is what God has shown me is about to happen to His church, His bride. Yes, the world is waxing worse and worse. What better way to light a path for true seekers in the final harvest to follow than for His children.... all of them.. to shine like diamonds on the blackest of backgrounds?
Could you post the scripture stating that the church is the bride of Christ, I hear this a lot among Christians but I’ve yet to see the scripture.
 

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Where there is no Law, there is no Transgression. That is the ONLY way to be freed of all sin. And when we DO sin, we have an advocate (who paid the dept, once and for all, for sin). That is what CL was showing you about the Law as it was discussed in the early part of R7.

Romans 4:14-15 NKJV - "For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression."

1 John 2:1 NIV - "My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One."
Excellent and so very true. This is not sinless perfectionism we share. We CAN sin as long as we are housed in these tents of flesh. But..... our spirits are already new and are to rule over our flesh. This is why we are told to keep our bodies under, not 'bring them under'.

When we finally believe who we are in Christ and put the armor of God on, we can still sin as our faith is as yet imperfect and our shield is small. We enter then into fighting our good fight of faith, just as the Israelites, upon entering into the Land of Promise, were told to utterly drive out the inhabitants out.

Remember, God had already told Joshua "I have given you the Land." before even one battle was waged. Our victory is already assured, but.... we still must fight to see our faith grow, to the end that we are finally "established in the faith". It is then that we are unshakeable, perfectly kept by the perfect God we serve.

Blessings,

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Could you post the scripture stating that the church is the bride of Christ, I hear this a lot among Christians but I’ve yet to see the scripture.
This will make a good start.

2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him..

2 Corinthians 11:2

Does this help?

Blessings,

Gideon
 

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This will make a good start.

2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him..

2 Corinthians 11:2

Does this help?

Blessings,

Gideon
Not much do you have anything else?
 

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This will make a good start.

2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him..

2 Corinthians 11:2

Does this help?

Blessings,

Gideon
In briefly reading through the chapter it seems Paul doesn’t want that church associating with individuals that are trying to give them a different gospel.
 

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In briefly reading through the chapter it seems Paul doesn’t want that church associating with individuals that are trying to give them a different gospel.
Amen to that. Now, the correct gospel promises to cause us to will and to do of His good pleasure. It was this characteristic that set the early church apart. They lived their faith and God worked through them to turn the entire known world upside down. Men would exclaim "Behold how they love one another!" That is the result of "the correct gospel", amen?

Should we not be questioning where we have gone off track in the present day? Instead of walking as overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil, far too many are overcome by the spirit of the world. Their flesh keeps them chained to sin in Romans 7 and for many, they believe sin is actually undefeatable in this life.

And in all this, the devil smiles at turning the church of the book of Acts into 500 plus schisms and divisions, as people more often than not have given up on holiness even being possible when in fact, it is our birthright.

God did not plant His church in power, love and joy in the Holy Ghost only to see it devolve into a religious organization where everyone disagrees and no one walks in victory.

So..... the question must be asked. What is the real gospel we need to run towards and what is the watered-down gospel that we should run from?

blessings to you,

Gideon
 

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Waiting on Him, I would be glad to share with you, but I suspect you are not looking for answers but rather to lay a trap. It may just be me, but I hate traps. You may want to do a Google search on the matter.

blessings,

Gideon
 

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Amen to that. Now, the correct gospel promises to cause us to will and to do of His good pleasure. It was this characteristic that set the early church apart. They lived their faith and God worked through them to turn the entire known world upside down. That is the result of "the correct gospel", amen?

Should we not be questioning where we have gone off track in the present day? Instead of walking as overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil, far too many are overcome by the world. Their flesh keeps them chained in Romans 7 and the devil smiles at turning the church of the book of Acts into 500 plus schisms and divisions, as people more often than not have given up on holiness even being possible when in fact, it is our birthright.

God did not plant His church in power, love and joy in the Holy Ghost only to see it devolve into a religious organization where everyone disagrees and no one walks in victory.

So..... the question must be asked. What is the real gospel we need to run towards and what is the watered-down gospel that we should run from?

blessings to you,

Gideon
Well, I believe it is Jesus that overcomes, the me is that world that has been overcome by Christ.
In reference to the scripture you quoted, 2 Corinthians, I believe what is being said there in fact does say not to fornicate with the seducing spirits that are coming upon them. Most likely Judaizers.
This would make them unclean and not presentable to Christ. Strange thing is they were already His children and if born of the Spirit, how can the children be His bride. This makes no since to me that’s why I asked if you had anything else.
 

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Waiting on Him, I would be glad to share with you, but I suspect you are not looking for answers but rather to lay a trap. It may just be me, but I hate traps. You may want to do a Google search on the matter.

blessings,

Gideon
A trap, I was hoping you could give an explanation for why you believe the church is His bride?
 

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Waiting on Him, I would be glad to share with you, but I suspect you are not looking for answers but rather to lay a trap. It may just be me, but I hate traps. You may want to do a Google search on the matter.

blessings,

Gideon
I guess maybe this is a little off topic, sorry for the distraction.
 

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Not much do you have anything else?

Isaiah 61:10 NLT - "I am overwhelmed with joy in the LORD my God! For he has dressed me with the clothing of salvation and draped me in a robe of righteousness. I am like a bridegroom in his wedding suit or a bride with her jewels."
2 Corinthians 11:2 NLT - "For I am jealous for you with the jealousy of God himself. I promised you as a pure bride to one husband--Christ."
Revelation 21:2 NLT - "And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband."

It's up to you if you want to see this or not. Best.
 

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Beautifully said! You're going to understand this, Miss Charismaticlady . . . when we read the word "flesh" throughout the Bible, we need to figure out if it is the State of Sinful Man, or if it is referring to our physical bodies. Until we get that understood, understanding the Bible will be nearly impossible. "Flesh" is one of the single most important Keywords in the entire Bible to know and distinguish. I'm still learning!!!!!

I understand perfectly, and I've been trying to teach the difference to those who believe "we will always sin while we are in these bodies."
 

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I understand perfectly, and I've been trying to teach the difference to those who believe "we will always sin while we are in these bodies."
I think part of the problem is that people confuse not sinning with perfection. All it is is the absence of the negative. The positive is God changing us into His image from glory to glory slowly but surely when we have, by faith, put on our new man. That is sanctification, the maturing and fruit bearing that comes as His children abide in Him with unbroken fellowship.

We have been taught that sanctification is our growing from old man to new man , from sinning a lot to sinning less. But that leads us to believe we have a "dual nature", the old 'black dog and white dog fighting inside us' scenario. But that is not true.

As children of God, we all have brand new natures. However, we are still housed in fleshly bodies. There lies the battle, and God plants us on the high ground, and tells us to, by faith, KEEP the victory, by keeping our bodies under. And as new creatures, we are more than able to do so. Glory!

This is wonderful.... if... IF we put off our old man, and believe it really did die when Christ died. Only then can we hold up our shield of faith that we are new creatures and can be kept from sinning. It is then that, when we are tempted to sin (temptation is not sin), we find that we always take the way of escape... every time. Why? God has promised to cause us to obey him, yet, for the most part, we have been totally blinded by unbelief that such a miracle is possible. Faith is about to be outpoured upon all as our hunger for Him increases.

This is the latter rain that is our future! This is the awakening that will come to all His children in these last days. 'Flat-out amazing' does not come close to doing justice to what God has on store for us as His church in these last days. Right now, only a few are awakened, and I so thank God for them, but that will soon change. The harvest is coming into sight.

blessings to you C.L.,

Gids
 
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I think part of the problem is that people confuse not sinning with perfection. All it is is the absence of the negative. The positive is God changing us into His image from glory to glory slowly but surely when we have, by faith, put on our new man. That is sanctification, the maturing and fruit bearing that comes as His children abide in Him with unbroken fellowship.

Hi Gids,

Yes, I've been accused of teaching sinless perfection; that is not true, only sinlessness. But I know it is just semantics, but I disagree that sanctification is slow over a lifetime, but that is what the Church has been taught for hundreds of years. That "we will always sin while in these bodies." What's more that teaching is about willfully committing sins unto death." 1 John 3:4. 1 John 5:16-17.

I saw that Hebrews 10:26-31 used the phrase "was sanctified" meaning it is instant and past tense at the time of justification when all our past sins, including willful sins of lawlessness, are cleansed, and we are given a new nature, and are set apart, sanctified unto good works of righteousness. So I prayed and asked God, "well, if sanctification is past tense, but we still grow to perfection over a life-time, what is that process called?" I got an immediate response and heard the word "glorification," something I've never heard anyone preach! And with it the knowledge that we become like Christ/God having been given the mind of Christ. 2 Peter 1:2-4 confirms, teaching us we have been give a divine nature. Some believe we will be glorified, after death, but God is glorifying us who have His Spirit NOW. Romans 8:29-30. "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified." The implication is that if justification is now and not after death, so is being glorified. (Interesting that "sanctified" is not listed. Personally, I believe because it is part and parcel of justification. Justification and sanctification are only parts of the whole: justification/sanctification that happen at the new birth, the baptism of the Holy Spirit.) John 17:22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

We have been taught that sanctification is our growing from old man to new man , from sinning a lot to sinning less. But that leads us to believe we have a "dual nature", the old 'black dog and white dog fighting inside us' scenario. But that is not true.

I agree, that is not true. We have been given the true meaning of God's Grace. Grace is only unmerited favor when the Father draws us sinners to Christ who died for us while we were yet sinners. But then the true purpose comes into play. It is the divine power of God residing in us from the moment of justification/sanctification . Again, 2 Peter 1:2-4.

There are steps in glorification that have nothing to do with "sinning less." THIS is the "life-long process" and has to do with maturity of the fruit of the Spirit. Those steps are listed in 2 Peter 1:5-7. "But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love." Note that the number one fruit of the Spirit is love, but it takes a life-time to perfect.

As children of God, we all have brand new natures. However, we are still housed in fleshly bodies. There lies the battle, and God plants us on the high ground, and tells us to, by faith, KEEP the victory, by keeping our bodies under. And as new creatures, we are more than able to do so. Glory!

What I believe is "born again" is our nature, our soul and our spirit, or our mind and heart where the laws of God are written. They have taken on immortality, and partake of the divine nature and continues to take on fruit that God cultivates. Those are the parts of us that were nailed to the cross.

Our dead body on a slab will turn to dust. It is just an empty shell without our mind and heart - our life force - our nature. It still needs to take on immortality, and that will happen at the resurrection. The only sins we will commit are sins NOT unto death due to when our fruit is still in the process of being cultivated, with pruning and growing, and maturing, but I can't see that they have anything to do with our shell that is dying already without any help from us and out of our control, and still part of Adam's curse. Our body is not the source of sins.

This is wonderful.... if... IF we put off our old man, and believe it really did die when Christ died. Only then can we hold up our shield of faith that we are new creatures and can be kept from sinning. It is then that, when we are tempted to sin (temptation is not sin), we find that we always take the way of escape... every time. Why? God has promised to cause us to obey him, yet, for the most part, we have been totally blinded by unbelief that such a miracle is possible. Faith is about to be outpoured upon all as our hunger for Him increases.

It is more than head knowledge of what our theology tells us, and we have faith that it has already been imputed to us. It first must be fact, and then we can look back at that moment when we were born again and walk in it. There are many in the Church who have never been born again and experienced the life changing gift of a new nature. It is not something we can do by shear will-power of keeping commandments with a carnal nature as depicted in Romans 7:14-23. That is just knowledge of the law.

Fact: Romans 6:1-2 We are crucified with Christ and are "dead to sin." The rebirth of the Spirit.
Faith: Romans 6:11 "Reckon yourself dead to sin." Walk in the Spirit.

This is the latter rain that is our future! This is the awakening that will come to all His children in these last days. 'Flat-out amazing' does not come close to doing justice to what God has on store for us as His church in these last days. Right now, only a few are awakened, and I so thank God for them, but that will soon change. The harvest is coming into sight.

I believe we are already in the latter rain, the last wave of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit with signs and gifts that started just before the 20th century, the most notable in 1906 at Azuza Street. But I've heard what you just said preached, but I can't find what they are basing it on. Maybe you can help. If anything, what I see is the great falling away being the Church's future, but on the other hand, that is even now with all the false teachings since the beginning of the church age of Sardis, five hundred years ago, making the grace of God into licentiousness. Jude 1:4. What I believe is in our sight is the Antichrist and the Great Tribulation, where nominal Christians will have a chance to wash their robes (that they already have - they are in the Church age of Laodecia) in the blood of the Lamb, proving this by finally taking a stand for Christ and not taking the mark of the beast, reaping the consequences of martyrdom. Then the glorious second coming of Christ!
 
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C.L., My experience has been with those are awakened to who they are is that they never stop trying. Relentlessly loving and sharing with any who will listen.... and with some who won't. LOL.

That is part of the power baptism of the Holy Spirit, (the second filling). It is for ministry and boldness. Acts 4:29-31

29 Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, 30 by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.
 

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Hi Gids,

Yes, I've been accused of teaching sinless perfection; that is not true, only sinlessness. But I know it is just semantics, but I disagree that sanctification is slow over a lifetime, but that is what the Church has been taught for hundreds of years. That "we will always sin while in these bodies." What's more that teaching is about willfully committing sins unto death." 1 John 3:4. 1 John 5:16-17.

I saw that Hebrews 10:26-31 used the phrase "was sanctified" meaning it is instant and past tense at the time of justification when all our past sins, including willful sins of lawlessness, are cleansed, and we are given a new nature, and are set apart, sanctified unto good works of righteousness. So I prayed and asked God, "well, if sanctification is past tense, but we still grow to perfection over a life-time, what is that process called?" I got an immediate response and heard the word "glorification," something I've never heard anyone preach! And with it the knowledge that we become like Christ/God having been given the mind of Christ. 2 Peter 1:2-4 confirms, teaching us we have been give a divine nature. Some believe we will be glorified, after death, but God is glorifying us who have His Spirit NOW. Romans 8:29-30. "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified." The implication is that if justification is now and not after death, so is being glorified. (Interesting that "sanctified" is not listed. Personally, I believe because it is part and parcel of justification. Justification and sanctification are only parts of the whole: justification/sanctification that happen at the new birth, the baptism of the Holy Spirit.) John 17:22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.



I agree, that is not true. We have been given the true meaning of God's Grace. Grace is only unmerited favor when the Father draws us sinners to Christ who died for us while we were yet sinners. But then the true purpose comes into play. It is the divine power of God residing in us from the moment of justification/sanctification . Again, 2 Peter 1:2-4.

There are steps in glorification that have nothing to do with "sinning less." THIS is the "life-long process" and has to do with maturity of the fruit of the Spirit. Those steps are listed in 2 Peter 1:5-7. "But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love." Note that the number one fruit of the Spirit is love, but it takes a life-time to perfect.



What I believe is "born again" is our nature, our soul and our spirit, or our mind and heart where the laws of God are written. They have taken on immortality, and partake of the divine nature and continues to take on fruit that God cultivates. Those are the parts of us that were nailed to the cross.

Our dead body on a slab will turn to dust. It is just an empty shell without our mind and heart - our life force - our nature. It still needs to take on immortality, and that will happen at the resurrection. The only sins we will commit are sins NOT unto death due to when our fruit is still in the process of being cultivated, with pruning and growing, and maturing, but I can't see that they have anything to do with our shell that is dying already without any help from us and out of our control, and still part of Adam's curse. Our body is not the source of sins.



It is more than head knowledge of what our theology tells us, and we have faith that it has already been imputed to us. It first must be fact, and then we can look back at that moment when we were born again and walk in it. There are many in the Church who have never been born again and experienced the life changing gift of a new nature. It is not something we can do by shear will-power of keeping commandments with a carnal nature as depicted in Romans 7:14-23. That is just knowledge of the law.

Fact: Romans 6:1-2 We are crucified with Christ and are "dead to sin." The rebirth of the Spirit.
Faith: Romans 6:11 "Reckon yourself dead to sin." Walk in the Spirit.



I believe we are already in the latter rain, the last wave of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit with signs and gifts that started just before the 20th century, the most notable in 1906 at Azuza Street. But I've heard what you just said preached, but I can't find what they are basing it on. Maybe you can help. If anything, what I see is the great falling away being the Church's future, but on the other hand, that is even now with all the false teachings since the beginning of the church age of Sardis, five hundred years ago, making the grace of God into licentiousness. Jude 1:4. What I believe is in our sight is the Antichrist and the Great Tribulation, where nominal Christians will have a chance to wash their robes (that they already have - they are in the Church age of Laodecia) in the blood of the Lamb, proving this by finally taking a stand for Christ and not taking the mark of the beast, reaping the consequences of martyrdom. Then the glorious second coming of Christ!
You have a lot that warrants thoughtful replies. I will start with what you said about sanctification. To me it is similar to snapping a photo with a film camera. The image is actually captured instantaneously. However, it is when it hits the developer liquid that slowly but surely brings forth the image. We are called to be conformed to the image of His Son.

Like being given new natures, that happens the moment we are saved. However, some of the elect, actually most, do not walk in its power, its benefits, for years. Some never do.

What is the key to activating our sanctification? Putting on our new natures by faith. That can happen in one glorious moment. However, seeing the results, the image of Jesus revealed in us most definitely is time related.

Consider:

"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:23

These are already sanctified saints, yet that sanctification can grow. More fruits. And when we produce more, God prunes us, not to hurt us, but to make us more fruitful.

We are called to grow up into Him in all things. And we behold Him as in a mirror, we are changed into the very same image from glory to glory.

Just a few things to consider.

blessings,

Gids
 

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You have a lot that warrants thoughtful replies. I will start with what you said about sanctification. To me it is similar to snapping a photo with a film camera. The image is actually captured instantaneously. However, it is when it hits the developer liquid that slowly but surely brings forth the image. We are called to be conformed to the image of His Son.

Like being given new natures, that happens the moment we are saved. However, some of the elect, actually most, do not walk in its power, its benefits, for years. Some never do.

What is the key to activating our sanctification? Putting on our new natures by faith. That can happen in one glorious moment. However, seeing the results, the image of Jesus revealed in us most definitely is time related.

Consider:

"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:23

These are already sanctified saints, yet that sanctification can grow. More fruits. And when we produce more, God prunes us, not to hurt us, but to make us more fruitful.

We are called to grow up into Him in all things. And we behold Him as in a mirror, we are changed into the very same image from glory to glory.

Just a few things to consider.

blessings,

Gids


Consider from glory to glory. That is the process of glorification. It is the glorification that Christ gives us making us more and more like Him. It is His work in us as we obey the process of 2 Peter 1:5-7.
 

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Like being given new natures, that happens the moment we are saved. However, some of the elect, actually most, do not walk in its power, its benefits, for years. Some never do.

Yes, but they are not on the path to salvation. They only have head knowledge and the Father is still in the process of drawing them to Christ, but until they yield completely to Christ, they do not belong to Him. Matthew 7:21-23.

That is what I realized after becoming born again. For 30 years I didn't belong to Christ!!!

Someone today mentioned John 17:22-23 and wrote it out. I about fell out of my chair so added it to my previous post from this afternoon. It has become my new favorite verse. I also looked at my document I created of all the verses on glorification I started after God spoke to me that word. I missed this one, but it now is at the head of the list. @2nd Timothy Group calls them key words, or key verses. Slipped my mind, sorry Tim

John 17:22-23 “And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.”
 
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That is part of the power baptism of the Holy Spirit, (the second filling). It is for ministry and boldness. Acts 4:29-31

29 Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, 30 by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.
Here is where we will have to agree to disagree, lol. I was raised in a charismatic church and long ago, had to conclude that what we have considered the empowering baptism of the Holy Spirit is simply not that at all.

Why do I believe that? Fruits. It was easy years ago.... ok, decades ago.... in the early eighties, when the charismatic movement was an oasis of life from stoic religion found in denominational churches. Many charismatic ministers were once Baptists but found a new joy and power that simply was not demonstrated in religious offerings of the time.

Meeting places were not important. Jesus was. Choirs and silence in church was replaced by guitars, tamborines and lots of praise, with hands lifted high. It was infectious. Almost everyone in my fellowship brought a well-worn, dog eared, underlined, highlighted, multi-colored underloned Bible. We were voracious for Jesus, not church.

Then, slowly but ever so surely, we became what we once fled from. We became MORE obsessed with attractive buildings, an obsession with the doctrine of tongues, choreographed worship, professional musicians, and a few scriptures displayed on our walls with high tech equipment. Pride crept in, and in my case, and I am sure it was also with others, that I judged a man's worth, even famous Christians from the past, as handicapped because they did not speak in tongues and have the baptism like we did. Ouch. That hurts now even to admit it.

We stopped talking about Jesus Himself and began forming our doctrinal stand, getting our own denomination in order. The sad truth is, many of the heresies and excesses found in church today were birthed by charismatic leaders. And as these happened before our eyes, no one stood up and warned them of their error.

I had the honor of talking to Leonard Ravenhill years ago, a famed English preacher, and he asked me a question.

"Can you explain to me how 120 men, filled with the Holy Spirit, turned the entire world upside down in one generation, and we can have 120 churches in one large city claiming to have the exact same experience, and that city not know or care if they are there."

As a "good" spirit-filled charismatic, the question floored me because I knew he was right. The outpouring comparable to the day of Pentecost has not happened yet. We would all kbow it if it had already occurred. lOL. And that event will bring about the real latter rain. and trust me, everyone will know it. Tongues will not be the hot topic. Being slain in the Spirit will not be. The only topic of value will be Jesus and how we can please and abide in Him. It will burn away the denominational minset and there will be ONE church with Christ as the head. Ministers will not crave attention, nor live the life of the CEO. The greatest among us will be the humble servants of those they serve, and provide examples for the flock, teaching them how to please the Lord. This is what God has shown me is on the horizon.

If you disagree, that is fine. But I felt it important before people pigeon hole what I share as from this church or that church that I make clear where I stand on such a topic. I do not want to debate it with you or anyone.No one will be convinced by arguments with other brothers in Christ. Only God can change our minds on matters like this.

I love you, dear sister

Gideon