Does God Exist Scientifically?

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The question of proving the existance of God scientifically in the modern age is a pointless exercise in frustration.

Key to scientific proof is acceptance of said proof. For most people, no such proof is required. For the rest, no such proof is acceptable despite its availability.

In the days prior to the explorations of C. Columbus, the European 'scientific' community had accepted the idea that the Earth was flat like a table. They rejected any notion of the earth as a globe despite the fact that evidence was clearly apparent. For example, ships that sail a few miles out to sea will disappear from view. The horizon is created by the curvature of the earth and that's why. Every other object in the sky is curved, including the moon which is clearly visible to the naked eye. In spite of clear and obvious evidence to the contrary, many scholars continued to believe that the Earth was the flat center of the universe.

The evidence of God is all around us. Some of it is observable and some is experiential. An incredible amount of evidence is testimonial.

The evidence of the existance of fools is also all around us. The only real question, therefore, is not whether God exists but whether or not fools should be considered as sources for scientific data.

Pro 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Pro 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, But only that his heart may reveal itself.
 

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Personally and strictly personally, I believe that God gave man science to prove to man that faith is more important then that which can be defined through means under our control. I have theorized that there is a difference in the acceptance of "Science of Man" and "Science of God". Obviously the two different yet linked thoughts are subject to interpretation but my theory is that Man is to use science to prove both existence of God and to understand the power of the Good and Evil in the world of Man. I define the two like:

Science of Man: The study of the world around using logical cause and effect methods to establish theory and experimentation to prove mans control over the world and the world itself. Also the study of powers that do not manifest upon the natural plane of man due to mans inability to control that which man is not meant to control.

Science of God: The study of the powers of God and the power of Faith in God that leads to the understanding that man kind is under God and therefore are given reign over the beast of the earth while God is given reign over all man. The study and pursuit of study of spirits, demons, angels, and "other worldly" powers and entity that manifest into the real world through the ill manifestation and wrongful practice of the Science of Man.
 

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Personally and strictly personally, I believe that God gave man science to prove to man that faith is more important then that which can be defined through means under our control. I have theorized that there is a difference in the acceptance of "Science of Man" and "Science of God". Obviously the two different yet linked thoughts are subject to interpretation but my theory is that Man is to use science to prove both existence of God and to understand the power of the Good and Evil in the world of Man. I define the two like:

Science of Man: The study of the world around using logical cause and effect methods to establish theory and experimentation to prove mans control over the world and the world itself. Also the study of powers that do not manifest upon the natural plane of man due to mans inability to control that which man is not meant to control.

Science of God: The study of the powers of God and the power of Faith in God that leads to the understanding that man kind is under God and therefore are given reign over the beast of the earth while God is given reign over all man. The study and pursuit of study of spirits, demons, angels, and "other worldly" powers and entity that manifest into the real world through the ill manifestation and wrongful practice of the Science of Man.

The problem with evidence to support the existance of God is not the lack of it, it is the suppression of it.
 

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Science cannot prove that god exists but it cannot prove he doesn't either.

What science can prove,is that the bible is wrong in many ways due to having proof that we are reading a book directly written by a bunch of people from the bronze age.
******this comment above, is very wrong because science cannot and has never done such a thing. then, the Bible was not written entirely in the bronze age but went from the time of moses on up to the 2nd century (john and revelation) AD.

Even a 5th grader can prove them wrong with data gathered because we are way more sophisticated than we were 2000 years ago.
********this is wrong as well as there never has been a scientific nor archaeological discovery that disproves the Bible. what tries to disprove the Bible is the conjectures, the assumptions, the conlusions secularists make from the discoveries they made.

That does not mean that the bible be worthless at all.
********the Bible cannot lie for God does not lie.

In fact,the bible contains thousands of years of history of the jews.

The problem is,this information can be flawed because it was passed on from one person to another and the story could have changed.
********wrong again. since the ible was written by God and penned using human men, oral tradition has nothing to do with its writings.

Who knows exactly how big the fire at sodom and gamora.
*******if you read the passage in Genesis 19, i believe, you will see thatit was not a small thing and the number of people killed is not important. the fact is they all were and they were being punished by God, is a lessonyou need to learn from.


Who knows how many people lived there.(most probably not that many because back then a city could have 100 people)
********sorry but you really do not have much of an idea about history here.

We can prove that creationism is wrong,because science can prove that the world is not flat and that the sun does not revolve around the earth,but instead it is the other way around.
***********science proved no such thing and the Bible has never taught that the earyh was flat or that it revolved around the sun.

We can also prove that the earth is older than 6000 years because of carbon dating which is a tool used to get precise data from a fossil from when it was and where.
*********this is wrong and carbon dating is not that accurate and like all secular dating systems it is based upon assumptions not fact and is actuallyuseless in dating the age of anything.

Proving the existance of a god or the non existance is something beyond our capabilities,for all we know there may be a god.
*************we know there is God.

I myself have always been somewhat spiritualistic in a way in believing in something out there and argue with my mother about it.


the post i addressed is filled with the same misinformation most atheists/evolutionists use to try to undermine the teachings of the Bible.
 

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If E = mc2 then m = E / c2

This by itself is nothing but plasma energy. It took some type of intelligence to string it all together into the reality we know.
 

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What is reality though? I see that and I see random numbers and letters, I look around and see Gods hand on everything.. His presence is science, he is the creator of all and everything.
 

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What science can prove,is that the bible is wrong in many ways due to having proof that we are reading a book directly written by a bunch of people from the bronze age.

Even a 5th grader can prove them wrong with data gathered because we are way more sophisticated than we were 2000 years ago.

Then all I have to say about this is... My name is Joshua David, and I am smarter than a 5th grader.
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But seriously, you come on here and make a lot of claims.. How about you giving some examples of where the bible is wrong. I mean if a 5th grader can do it, then you shouldn't have a problem with it, unless you aren't smarter than a 5th grader. And if that is the case, then Jeff Foxworthy wants you on his show.

We can prove that creationism is wrong,because science can prove that the world is not flat and that the sun does not revolve around the earth,but instead it is the other way around.

Ok here you make 2 gross errors. One, is the implication that the bible states that the earth is flat, and the sun revolves around the earth. The bible actually states that the earth is round, not flat.

Isaiah 40:22 [sup]22[/sup] He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
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[font="'Charis SIL"]And where does the bible state that the sun revolves around the earth? [/font]
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[font="'Charis SIL"]The second error that you have made is that either of those assumptions has anything at all to do with creationism. Could you please explain why you feel this is the case, and how you got from one to the other?[/font]
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We can also prove that the earth is older than 6000 years because of carbon dating which is a tool used to get precise data from a fossil from when it was and where.
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[font="tahoma][color="#5D5D5D"]Interesting.. One you are assuming that the decay of carbon 14 has been constant throughout the thousands of years. There is evidence that proves that this is not the case. In fact there is a newly discovered particle that is emitted from the sun that affects the decay of radioactive isotopes. Here is an article that talks about it.[/color][/font]
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[font="tahoma][color="#5D5D5D"]The other thing to understand is that even if the earth was more than 6000 years old that would not discredit the bible. The bible never gives a direct age of the earth. Also the bible gives us hints that there have been other ages, and in fact the earth is older than the first "Day" of creation.[/color][/font]
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[font="tahoma][color="#5D5D5D"]Let me say this. I love science. I have studied everything from string theory, from quantum physics to cosmology. And I can tell you that nothing has declared the glory of God more than the shear beauty and perfection of the universe. [/color][/font]
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What is science?

Science means liesssssssss!

They are never and will never be accurate!

I am in school studying a science course. I find it really difficult to accept their laws and formulars!

Do you think that there's any smallest thing or even biggest thing? Forget about atoms, protons, electrons and the rest! they are all lies. Next year comes another stuff!

Have you seen the beautiful creatures under water? wow!

God is Great!

No matter what! God is forever!
 

archaeologist5

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Science means liesssssssss!

i would qualify that by adding the word 'secular' in front of the word 'science'. why? because science done God's way is NOT wrong and is a very helpful tool in seeing how God made things work. secular science seeks to find its own answers by looking in the wrong places, for the wrong answers and that is NOT of GOd. so do not throw science out just because secularists have taken over its leadership.

I am in school studying a science course. I find it really difficult to accept their laws and formulars!

keep in mind that God made things work in a certain way and one needs to consider the source then use discernment to see if they hit upon the truth or not.

Do you think that there's any smallest thing or even biggest thing? Forget about atoms, protons, electrons and the rest! they are all lies

be careful you do not throw out what God wants you to learn and that woul dbe a good place to start. pray that God will show you what you need to learn so you do not get caught up in the wrong things. last i heard, no one has seen an atom so take it with a grain of salt and look to the Holy Spirit to guide you to the truth.

Have you seen the beautiful creatures under water? wow!

yes. please keep in mind that not everyone is 2 years old and new to life.