Those who deny Eternal Security

mailmandan said:

All Christians begin with root, not no root.

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I am the tree and my father is the husbandman .
Anyone who CONTINUES not IN ME , shall be cast out .
There is no way into this tree , unless its by Faith in JESUS CHRIST .
But remember , let us behold both the goodness of God and the severity
for if GOD spared not even the natural branches , take heed lest he spare not you .
It was severity towards those who denied HIM , and goodness towards those whose faith is in JESUS .
But continue in His goodness .
Let all follow JESUS faithful to the end . In HIM we truly do have all hope ,
Follow the Spirit , feasting on pure holy biblical sound doctrine . And let all take heed unto themselves and the doctrine .
Let none be taken in with the all inclusive many path lie and fall from their own steafastness .
And remember GOD is not mocked . What we sow to , that shall we reap .
IF one sows to the flesh they will reap corruption , but if to the Spirit its life everlasting .
Watch out , everyone watchout , there is a false inclusive love which is leading many right to damanation , perditoin .
It is sin accepting , it even embraces others paths as valid . BUT ITS A LIE . And its one we must stay far from .
For any love that can allow a man to remain in sin , IS NO LOVE , any love
that can let a muslim or any other religoin feel saved , IS NOT LOVE . THEY must be pointed to JESUS , and they MUST
BELIEVE that HE ALONE is the ONLY SAVOIR .

Keep the faith firm to the end .
The gosple never taught that if a man does good works and gathers for unity that this saves that man . IT WONT .
The gospel is clear , JESUS MUST be believed in from the heart and He must be confessed by the mouth .
For with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth , confession of HIM unto SALVATION .
THERE is no other hope , no other gospel , no other truth , no other way , no other NAME whereby we must be saved .
DO NOT let them , under this false sensual love , SWAY anyone off this path .
Ecuminalism is bad news . SIMPLY preach JESUS CHRIST as the ONLY and i do mean ONLY means of salvation .
There is no other . No other religoin can save you , not even if you had massive good works , IT WONT save you .
ONLY confessing JESUS can save a soul . AND if we are truly HIS , well then we would walk after the Spirit .
IF anyone you see errs from the truth , you Correct them fast . never let a soul believe they will have eternal life
In any other mindset , any other religoin . ITS JESUS ONLY that can save , and ye must CONFESS HIM .

Taken said:

Falling away From Faith...leads to a conclusion, of Losing ones Salvation.

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Correct, and thank you for answering the question honestly.

farouk said:

don't accept that he ever had salvation.

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That is fine, but why is that preventing you from answering a simple question on the scripture?

Christophany said:

Read Acts 1:21-22 for the answer to who the 12th disciple is as Paul cannot meet the qualifications as the 12th.

He is still an Apostle but that is not the issue. The issue is RIGHTLY dividing the word of Truth which you are unwilling to do here because you are wrong and refuse to admit it because of pride. A humble person would read Acts 1:21-22 and the the disciples qualifications to replace judas and Paul does not meet those qualifications period. Matthias did meet those qualifications hence he was chosen as the one to replace judas.

hope this helps !!!

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Like I said, it is a peripheral issue as far as I'm concerned. I am not being adamant either way about who it is whose name is written there in the twelfth foundation; but the evidence that it is Matthias is not conclusive in my view. I know that we will find out when we get there. If you want to make a gentleman's bet on the issue, I'm all in...provided that you make it.

Accusing me of pride when I am not even taking a stance on the issue is reminiscent of your behaviour towards me in recent days. I find that the true gospel divides; people who were once friends end up becoming enemies when one of them begins to preach the truth; because the one who continues to believe in a tradition of lies will condemn the truth-preacher of being a heretic when in all reallity that truth-preacher is preaching nothing but the truth (see Acts of the Apostles 24:14 (kjv)).

TheslightestID said:

That is fine, but why is that preventing you from answering a simple question on the scripture?

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If you are asking, what did he fall away from?

Whatever it was, how ever defined, it was outward and apparent, not inward and rooted in eternity and the work of the Holy Spirit. A profession, maybe; a semblance of outward religion; not the inward reality of it.

I think this gives plenty to think about, looking at the context.

mailmandan said:

Exactly. To fall away from a shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away is not to fall away from salvation. This kind of belief is not rooted in a regenerate heart. How can no depth of earth, no root, no moisture, no fruit, represent saving belief? It doesn't. People who "believe" in a shallow way and "rejoice" at the preaching of the gospel without a prepared heart, and without a good and honest heart, and without having "root" in themselves, do not experience real salvation.

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@mailmandan Indeed so.

The Parable of the Sower.
The seed is the Word of God, and the ground represents peoples hearts.
From the parable we learn something we already know, which is that people respond to the gospel message in various ways, some reject it outright, they never believed, while others fall away after differing periods of time. They did believe, no matter how shallow their faith, but eventually they turned away and slid back into their previous condition, backsliders one and all. Once saved, but no longer. The winners are those who stayed the course, without backsliding, and remain faithful to their dying day. They will receive the Crown of Glory. Christ's concluding words are to those who hear and understand. These people will produce 100, 60 or 30 times what was sown. Does the reader understand the message of the Saviour who tells us, his disciples, to go ye into the whole world and preach the gospel and bear fruit? Are we responding to the message of the Lord and winning souls for Christ?

Christophany said:

Amen !

Salvation is of, by, through and belongs to the Lord from start to finish. Jesus justifies, sanctifies and glorifies us as per Romans 8.

Past- Justification
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. cf Acts 15:11; Ephesians 2:5

Present- Sanctification
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. cf Acts 2:47; 2 Corinthians 2:15

Future- Glorification
Romans 5:9
having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

hope this helps!!!

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HIS BLOOD leads us not in the popes false love , the protestant false love , or the liberal false love .
One thing in time , in time which every last man , and woman , or any born of woman ,
One thing you all will agree upon in time , whether you Biden or trump , catholic or protestant
or whatever is , Men like me need to be ridded from the earth . Seems impossible i know , BUT many will soon march
to the beat of that drum . OH well , I have JESUS and i mean THE ONLY JESUS , aka YAH the biblical one .
I DO love you all . But i know where its all headed . INCLUSIVE LOVE will be the call of everyone not in the lambs book of life
in the coming days . I will always pray for you and all , But do not hold your breath for my conforming to the false rome led
and people fed lie .

farouk said:

If you are asking, what did he fall away from?

Whatever it was, how ever defined, it was outward and apparent, not inward and rooted in eternity and the work of the Holy Spirit. A profession, maybe; a semblance of outward religion; not the inward reality of it.

I think this gives plenty to think about, looking at the context.

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Lol, you didn't answer that one either, but I think we both know the answer to both questions. However there comes a point when we can see one is in denial, so all we can do is plant the seed, and it either grows or withers from lack of attention.

Be interesting to see what you all do with this scripture. And remember, Jesus is watching, and knows when we can see the truth, and when we are blatantly changing scripture in order to hide the truth for our own benefit.

Can someome please tell me what is meant by "depart from the faith" in the following scripture?

1 Timothy 1:4
King James Version
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

@Christophany

farouk said:

Hi @TheslightestID Romans 8.38.-39 has a great, assuring promise to the believer:

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Problem is, God loves even those who will not be saved.

TheslightestID said:

Be interesting to see what you all do with this scripture. And remember, Jesus is watching, and knows when we can see the truth, and when we are blatantly changing scripture in order to hide the truth for our own benefit.

Can someome please tell me what is meant by "depart from the faith" in the following scripture?

1 Timothy 1:4
King James Version
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

@Christophany

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It means exactly what it says. Yet entire denominations deny it. Makes for a nice coping mechanism for eternally burning hellfire. Eternal security balances out eternal torment.

TheslightestID said:

Be interesting to see what you all do with this scripture. And remember, Jesus is watching, and knows when we can see the truth, and when we are blatantly changing scripture in order to hide the truth for our own benefit.

Can someome please tell me what is meant by "depart from the faith" in the following scripture?

1 Timothy 1:4
King James Version
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

@Christophany

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The faith, there, is the religion of Christianity and an outward profession of adhering to the faith of Christianity.

amigo de christo said:

I am the tree and my father is the husbandman .
Anyone who CONTINUES not IN ME, shall be cast out.
There is no way into this tree, unless its by Faith in JESUS CHRIST .
But remember, let us behold both the goodness of God and the severity
for if GOD spared not even the natural branches, take heed lest he spare not you
It was severity towards those who denied HIM, and goodness towards those whose faith is in JESUS .
But continue in His goodness.

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The Israelites were in the olive tree to begin with because they were the "natural branches" and not because they were all saved. Because of their unbelief and hard hearts God removed His gracious hand from them as a people overall and broke them off from His goodness (but only for a time after which they will be restored - Romans 11:24-26). We Gentiles have now been grafted into God's goodness and are the recipients of His blessings. Paul's warning is that we should not become arrogant because we might lose the goodness and blessings of God just like the Jews lost the goodness and blessings of God.

Professing Christians who are Gentiles are corporately in outward covenant with Christ so, it would appear that Romans 11 is speaking about the question of collective ecclesiology and not individual soteriology. I see the warning to this collective body, which is corporately joined to Christ and is in a covenant relationship, but how could this mean that every individual in it is in saving union with Christ? Hence the "cut off." Union with Christ applies to the elect, and only for the elect are, "the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable." (verse 29) But since non-elect covenant members are mixed in, Christ clearly appears to have non-elect branches, like Judas Iscariot (John 15:1-8) and while they may be joined outwardly in covenant with Christ, since they have professed faith in Jesus, the faith of some of them is spurious because they were never truly saved to begin with, even though they were among genuine believers. (1 John 2:19).

Let all follow JESUS faithful to the end. In HIM we truly do have all hope,
Follow the Spirit, feasting on pure holy biblical sound doctrine. And let all take heed unto themselves and the doctrine .
Let none be taken in with the all inclusive many path lie and fall from their own steafastness.

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Proverbs 24:16 - For a righteous man may fall seven times And rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity.

And remember GOD is not mocked. What we sow to, that shall we reap.
IF one sows to the flesh they will reap corruption, but if to the Spirit its life everlasting.

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The one who is continuously (Greek present tense) sowing to his own corrupt, sinful nature which is opposed to God and unrenewed by the Holy Spirit shall of the flesh reap corruption. Our life here is sowing of one kind or another. But he who sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Romans 8:8 - So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Watch out, everyone watchout, there is a false inclusive love which is leading many right to damanation, perdition.
It is sin accepting, it even embraces others paths as valid. BUT ITS A LIE. And its one we must stay far from.
For any love that can allow a man to remain in sin, IS NO LOVE, any love
that can let a muslim or any other religoin feel saved, IS NOT LOVE. THEY must be pointed to JESUS, and they MUST
BELIEVE that HE ALONE is the ONLY SAVOIR.

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Authentic love does not accept sin or embrace other paths to God. 1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. Jesus Christ is the way, truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except by Him. (John 14:6) There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.

TheslightestID said:

Be interesting to see what you all do with this scripture. And remember, Jesus is watching, and knows when we can see the truth, and when we are blatantly changing scripture in order to hide the truth for our own benefit.

Can someome please tell me what is meant by "depart from the faith" in the following scripture?

1 Timothy 1:4
King James Version
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

@Christophany

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I presume that you believe "depart from the faith" means that born again believers depart from saving faith in Christ and lose their salvation, but that's not the case. The words "the faith" (Greek tês pisteôs) in this context means the apostolic faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines. Some who are in a state of professing adherence to the apostolic faith, nevertheless will in both doctrine and practice depart from it, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. Some "nominal" Christians will abandon the Christian faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines for false religions and cults. That does not prove they were previously born again.

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. That sounds familiar.

amigo de christo said:

HIS BLOOD leads us not in the popes false love , the protestant false love , or the liberal false love .
One thing in time , in time which every last man , and woman , or any born of woman ,
One thing you all will agree upon in time , whether you Biden or trump , catholic or protestant
or whatever is , Men like me need to be ridded from the earth . Seems impossible i know , BUT many will soon march
to the beat of that drum . OH well , I have JESUS and i mean THE ONLY JESUS , aka YAH the biblical one .
I DO love you all . But i know where its all headed . INCLUSIVE LOVE will be the call of everyone not in the lambs book of life
in the coming days . I will always pray for you and all , But do not hold your breath for my conforming to the false rome led
and people fed lie .

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Oh yes, let us praise the Lord brother. All our hope is in Jesus alone.

Marvelloustime said:

Oh yes, let us praise the Lord brother. All our hope is in Jesus alone.

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Yes it is dear sister . Praise the glorious Lord . Jesus is our hope . He alone .
Let the Lord be praised .

BarnyFife said:

It means exactly what it says. Yet entire denominations deny it. Makes for a nice coping mechanism for eternally burning hellfire. Eternal security balances out eternal torment.

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True, and thanks, a refreshing reply is always welcome.