Pre-Adam

sniper762 · Jul 14, 2010

WOW, THESE PEOPLE PRE-DATE THE CREATION OF ADAM

The placement of artifacts and materials within an Archaic burial site indicated social differentiation based upon status.[53] There is a continuous record of occupation of S'ólh Téméxw by Aboriginal people dating from the early Holocene period, 10,000 — 9,000 years ago.[57] Archaeological sites at Stave Lake, Coquitlam Lake, Fort Langley and region uncovered early period artifacts. These early inhabitants were highly mobile hunter-gatherers, consisting of approximately 20 to 50 members of an extended family.[57][58] The Na-Dene people occupied much of the land area of northwest and central North America starting around 8,000 BCE.[59] They were the earliest ancestors of the Athabaskan-speaking peoples, including the Navajo and Apache. They had villages with large multi-family dwellings, used seasonally during the summer, from which they hunted, fished and gathered food supplies for the winter.[60] The Wendat peoples settled into Southern Ontario along the Eramosa River around 8,000 — 7,000 BCE (10,000 — 9,000 years ago).[61] They were concentrated between Lake Simcoe and Georgian Bay. Wendat hunted caribou to survive on the glacier-covered land.[61] Many different First Nations cultures relied upon the buffalo starting by 6,000 — 5,000 BCE (8,000 — 7,000 years ago).[61] They hunted buffalo by herding migrating buffalo off cliffs. Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump, near Lethbridge, Alberta, is a hunting grounds that was in use for about 5,000 years.[61]

Paul · Jul 14, 2010

sniper762 said:
WOW, THESE PEOPLE PRE-DATE THE CREATION OF ADAM

The placement of artifacts and materials within an Archaic burial site indicated social differentiation based upon status.[53] There is a continuous record of occupation of S'ólh Téméxw by Aboriginal people dating from the early Holocene period, 10,000 — 9,000 years ago.[57] Archaeological sites at Stave Lake, Coquitlam Lake, Fort Langley and region uncovered early period artifacts. These early inhabitants were highly mobile hunter-gatherers, consisting of approximately 20 to 50 members of an extended family.[57][58] The Na-Dene people occupied much of the land area of northwest and central North America starting around 8,000 BCE.[59] They were the earliest ancestors of the Athabaskan-speaking peoples, including the Navajo and Apache. They had villages with large multi-family dwellings, used seasonally during the summer, from which they hunted, fished and gathered food supplies for the winter.[60] The Wendat peoples settled into Southern Ontario along the Eramosa River around 8,000 — 7,000 BCE (10,000 — 9,000 years ago).[61] They were concentrated between Lake Simcoe and Georgian Bay. Wendat hunted caribou to survive on the glacier-covered land.[61] Many different First Nations cultures relied upon the buffalo starting by 6,000 — 5,000 BCE (8,000 — 7,000 years ago).[61] They hunted buffalo by herding migrating buffalo off cliffs. Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump, near Lethbridge, Alberta, is a hunting grounds that was in use for about 5,000 years.[61]

Sniper, please post the link when you cut and paste someones material.

Foreigner · Jul 14, 2010

Bait thread.

242006 · Jul 23, 2010

Adam was not the first flesh man created by God in this second age. See Gen. 1:26-27.

Foreigner · Jul 23, 2010

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. - Gen 1:26-27

-- Please show me where that is pointed out in this scripture.

242006 · Jul 23, 2010

Foreigner said:
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. - Gen 1:26-27

-- Please show me where that is pointed out in this scripture.

man = mankind

The Hebrew adam means mankind when it is used in the plural sense. The article ha-, when used with the generic adam, means "the man" [subject neutral]. Adding the particle 'eth to ha-adam, renders the meaning to be "this very man" [subject neutral].

Foreigner · Jul 27, 2010

That does not negate the fact that Adam was the first man.
Indeed, nothing you have said indicates that there was a man (or men) created before Adam.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." - Gen. 2:7 KJV

"And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed." - Gen. 2:8 KJV

Note Gen. 2:7 could be looked at as a collective "man" but in Gen. 2:8 it speaks of the man in singular form - Adam.

From him God created Eve which fulfills what was said in the earlier verse you posted:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. - Gen 1:26-27

Adam and Eve = Them.

From 'Them' came everyone right down to you and I.

There are indeed times when saying, "but the Ancient Greek actually says..." or "If you look closely at the Hebrew it actually implies..." does clarify the actual meaning.
This isn't one of them.

whirlwind · Jul 27, 2010

Foreigner said:
That does not negate the fact that Adam was the first man.
Indeed, nothing you have said indicates that there was a man (or men) created before Adam.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." - Gen. 2:7 KJV

"And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed." - Gen. 2:8 KJV

Note Gen. 2:7 could be looked at as a collective "man" but in Gen. 2:8 it speaks of the man in singular form - Adam.

From him God created Eve which fulfills what was said in the earlier verse you posted:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. - Gen 1:26-27

Adam and Eve = Them.

From 'Them' came everyone right down to you and I.

There are indeed times when saying, "but the Ancient Greek actually says..." or "If you look closely at the Hebrew it actually implies..." does clarify the actual meaning.
This isn't one of them.

Consider that there were many "trees" in the garden of God when Adam was placed there to "till the soil."

Ezekiel 31:8-10 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

Also consider where and when all the races came from....they weren't produced from one man and woman.

Adam was the first man...the first man in the line to Christ, not the first man in the world.

Foreigner · Jul 27, 2010

So you are saying that somewhere between, "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" ...and... "And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed" (Adam)....God had formed 'other' men.

Do you have an actual scripture that support that. Ezekiel 31: does not.

A simple perusal of any one of a number of commentaries written on Ez. 31 will show you that.

242006 · Jul 27, 2010

Foreigner said:
That does not negate the fact that Adam was the first man.
Indeed, nothing you have said indicates that there was a man (or men) created before Adam.

Interesting comment. In all the years that I have been teaching the Truth regarding the first few chapters of Genesis, I have never had a naysayer argue that, the man referred to as "Adam" was the first among the multiple of mankind created on the sixth day. Most naysayers try to argue that Adam and Eve were the first, and all the races of people were offspring of Adam and Eve [which is physically impossible].

Your argument, like the other naysayers' arguments, is easily defeated. As a threshold matter, there is no English rendering [that I am aware of] that states that 'Adam' was created on the 6th day. Hence, no one has any direct literal standing to assert that Adam/Eve either was the 6th day creation alone or was the first among the 6th day creation of mankind. One can only conclude that it is a mere presumption or assumption , in want of proof, that Adam/Eve came into existence on the 6th day of creation. Like any Bible presumption/assumption, it takes only one scriptural contradiction to prove such Bible presumption/assumption to be false.

In the matter of the Bible presumption/assumption that Adam/Eve came into existence on the 6th day, there are many scriptural contradictions that prove such presumption/assumption false:

Contradiction #1

God's intended purpose for the 'man' in Gen. 1 is different than for the 'man' in Gen. 2.

This contradiction, alone, proves that the man referred to as 'Adam' was not the, or among the, 6th day creation. Gen. 1:26 identifies God's purposes for the mankind that He created on the 6th day --

"dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Gen. 2:5 identifies His purpose for the man referred to as 'Adam' -

"and there was not a man to till the ground."

God made Adam to till the ground, which is nowhere found in the purposes God set forth for the 6th day creation in Gen. 1:26. Hence, 'Adam' was not made by God on the 6th day.

Contradiction #2

God 'created' the 6th day mankind; whereas, He 'formed' the man referred to as 'Adam'.

'Created' and 'formed' are different words with different meanings. One can see the differences in the meanings of these words in Strong's Exhaustive Concordance [available online].

The point being here is that different divine actions were involved with the 6th day man and the man referred to as 'Adam'. The difference in wording leaves one with two conclusions.

If the man referred to as 'Adam' was the, or among the, 6th day creation, then we are left to conclude that God is too stupid to recall, and thereby dictate to Moses, whether He 'created' or 'formed' Adam.

If the man created on the 6th day was different than the formation of the the man referred to as 'Adam', then God dictated the scriptures to Moses properly and without error.

I will go with the latter conclusion and will forego reaching the conclusion that God was too stupid to recall His own Works.

Contradiction #3

The polysyndenton 'and' identifies the chronological sequence of events in the first few chapters of Genesis.

If one examines the structure of the first few chapters of Genesis, one sees that it is given in chronological order with intermitten recaps of prior events and the continuation of the chronological order of the events again. The polysyndenton 'and' identifes events in their chronological order. After each intermitten recap of prior events, the chronological order commences again with the polysyndenton 'and'.

Genesis 1 is replete with usage of the polysyndenton 'and', as each step of the creation process is preceded with its use. The chronological process temporarily ceases with Gen. 2:3 with God's blessing of the 7th day. The first recap of prior events occurs in Gen. 2:4-6. The formation of the man referred to as 'Adam' takes place in Gen. 2:7. This scripture is preceded by the polysyndenton 'and', which means it is a continuation of the chronological order of events which was ceased in Gen. 2:3, prior to the recap. Hence, it takes place thereafter the 7th day of rest.

If Adam was actually formed on the 6th day, the specific scripture setting forth his formation [Gen. 2:7] would have been part of the recap given in Gen. 2:4-6 and would not have had the polysyndenton 'and' associated therewith. For one to conclude that Adam's formation, including the preceding polysyndenton 'and', was part of the 6th day creation, one would have to also necessarily infer that God was too stupid to dictate the sequence of events accurately to Moses.

Contradiction #4

Two separate divine events took place with the creation of mankind in Gen. 1 and the formation of the man referred to as Adam in Gen. 2.

A study of the Hebrew manuscripts indicates that the emphatic [silent] particle eth' is associated with each of God's divine actions associated with the creation account. One can check it out with the Strong's King James Concordance. This particle eth' has the Strong's number 853 associated therewith. Here is a listing of when it is used -

Gen. 1:1 ['created']
Gen. 1:4 ['saw']
Gen. 1:7 ['made']
Gen. 1:16 ['made']
Gen. 1:21 ['created']
Gen. 1:22 ['fill']
Gen. 1:25 ['made']
Gen. 1:27 ['created']
Gen. 1:28 ['replenish']
Gen. 1:29 ['given']
Gen. 1:31 ['saw']
Gen. 2:3 ['blessed']
Gen. 2:5 ['till']
Gen. 2:6 ['watered']
Gen. 2:7 ['formed']

As one can see, when God acts [action identifed by a verb], the emphatic particle eth' is associated therewith. As one can also see, there was separate divine action by God in the creation of mankind in Gen. 1:27 and the formation of Adam in Gen. 2:7. If Adam was actually created on the 6th day and Gen. 2:7 was a recap thereof only, the emphatic particle eth' would not be associated therewith the word 'formed' in Gen. 2:7.

Clearly, the man referred to as 'Adam' in scripture did not come into existence on the 6th day. The scriptural contradictions disprove any presumption/assumption that Adam was created on the 6th Day. In fact, the Hebrew manuscripts identify separate divine acts associated therewith the creation of man in Gen. 1:27 and the formation of Adam in Gen. 2:7.

RichardBurger · Jul 27, 2010

1 Corinthians 15:45-50
45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
NKJV

Foreigner · Jul 27, 2010

Watchman, All that documentation and nothing substantiating the claim that God created men other than Adam.
Your whole basis is that since it doesn't fit an explanation you expect, the actual meaning is what you see it to me.
And the "contradictions" you show do not support the claims in your earlier posts.
At least you were wise enough to let the Ezekiel 31 implication claim go.

whirlwind · Jul 27, 2010

Foreigner said:
So you are saying that somewhere between, "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" ...and... "And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed" (Adam)....God had formed 'other' men.

Do you have an actual scripture that support that. Ezekiel 31: does not.

A simple perusal of any one of a number of commentaries written on Ez. 31 will show you that.

Please see Ezekiel without perusing commentaries.

Allow Him to teach you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

There are scriptures but if you don't see the relevance of this in Ezekiel it may not be time. So, I will ask....do you believe all races came from one woman and man?

242006 · Jul 28, 2010

RichardBurger said:
1 Corinthians 15:45-50
45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
NKJV

LOL...I advised you on a different topic to do your homework before posting. I did so for your own benefit in order that you might avoid embarassing yourself by demonstrating Bible illiteracy. Looks like you have no interest in taking any advice.

If you bothered to pick up the subject for the scriptures you cited, you would have seen that it has nothing whatsoever to do with declaring who was the first man created by God -

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The topic is the two bodies that each of us have. We each have both a flesh and spiritual body.

The reference to the 'first man Adam' means his flesh body formed from the ground [Gen. 2:7]. The reference to the 'last Adam' refers to his spirtual body that was breathed into him by God [Gen. 2:7]. Only Adam's spiritual body survived [incorruptible].

Again, I strongly urge you to do your homework before posting. It will only help your credibility.

whirlwind · Jul 28, 2010

whirlwind said:
Please see Ezekiel without perusing commentaries. Allow Him to teach you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

There are scriptures but if you don't see the relevance of this in Ezekiel it may not be time. So, I will ask....do you believe all races came from one woman and man?

Good morning Foreigner,

I would like to add more to this...from a previously written post:

Genesis 1:26,31 And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them. (31) And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

2:5-8 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life: and man became a living soul. (And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.

2:21-23 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

Isaiah 44:21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art My servant: I have formed thee; Thou art My servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of Me.

God created mankind and He created them "male and female" on the sixth day. Then....He rested. After the day of rest He formed Adam. And Adam wasn't formed male and female...but mankind was created male and female.

The beginning of the genetic line to Jesus was from Adam. He was the perfect one for from that one came the other. Therefore Adam could rightly say...."bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" and she was called womb-man. The word "rib" means "curve" and as man has the same number of ribs women do....could it mean the helix curve, the DNA of Adam used to form Eve?

The Bible concerns this family. It isn't the history of the world but is the history...His-story, from the beginning as it pertains to the world. God formed Adam for a specific purpose...to "till the ground," meaning....this family was chosen not only to bring forth the Seed but to scatter His seed of truth around the world (till the ground).

Consider that the second chapter of Genesis doesn't make mention of days. I believe it was because Adam was formed after the seventh day and that then our reckoning of time began. Before that it was God's reckoning....

11 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Mankind, all races, were created on the sixth day. Adam was after the seventh. All races didn't come from one man. Consider too that when Cain was banished he "builded a city." He, his wife and even a gaggle of children wouldn't be considered a "city." Of course, I believe the city he builded was the foundation of the great city Babylon....false religion. And too, who was out there that would kill Cain...who was he afraid of?

Genesis 4:14-15 Behold, Thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from Thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me." And the LORD said unto him," Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Another consideration is who the children of Adam married. There were others there it is just that the Book is about the family of Christ.

Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Often people are symbolically termed...trees. Adam and Eve hid amongst the "trees" in the garden...among other people.

Ezekiel 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

Isaiah 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam was made a living soul;" the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Adam was the first in the line to Christ. In Strong's "first" is described as....foremost (in time, place, order or importance).....

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242006 · Jul 30, 2010

Foreigner said:
Watchman, All that documentation and nothing substantiating the claim that God created men other than Adam.
Your whole basis is that since it doesn't fit an explanation you expect, the actual meaning is what you see it to me.
And the "contradictions" you show do not support the claims in your earlier posts.
At least you were wise enough to let the Ezekiel 31 implication claim go.

Denial is not an argument -- it just means that you refuse to accept the Truth.

Sometimes a person needs to use some common sense. Unless you live in a cocoon, you would have noticed that the world consists of many races of people. It is physically impossible for all the races of people to have come from a single set of pure blood parents. God has established that procreation would be 'kind after kind'.

In fact, there was a study made, based upon today's populations of 3 billion people [and all the intermixing of races, which results in the higher deviation of DNA as time goes on], there is only a 0.2% DNA deviation of any 2 people in the world, of which only 6% thereof can be attributed to different races of people. Hence, with all the generations and potential for intermixing throughout time, two people, of the same race, that mate and produce offspring have a 99.988% probability of a child of their own race.

Here is a link to the statistics -

http://www.onehumanrace.com/docs/noah&family.asp

Assuming arguendo that this same probability was applicable for Adam and Eve [meaning that the race of offspring could slightly deviate from the race of the parents], one can calculate that it would take 5,776 generations of deviation before there would be a single offspring that was 50% different in race than Adam/Eve. The overwhelming majority of people would be the same race as Adam/Eve. By inspection [unless one lives in a cocoon], one can see that the vast variety of races means that they could not have derived from a natural 0.012% race deviation of DNA.

Accordingly, the races of people had to come into existence as a result of the divine hand of God. The only place in the Bible that accounts for such creation of the races is Gen. 1:26-27.

As further proof that the 6th Day creation consisted of all the races of people, see Gen. 4:14-17. Cain feared others would "kill" him. There was another land named [by others] 'Nod'. And, Cain married someone of the 6th day creation.

Jonathan · Aug 4, 2010

sorry watchmen by your reasoning that there were man other than Adam then why is it that Adam's sin effects all?
if there were others then all of their offspring would be sinless by your reasoning.

also how did all the races continue after the flood? Noah and his family were the only ones in the ark.
the different races sprang up from the sons of Noah.

also to go back to what you were saying about the ruins and artifacts found all over the world that are "thought" to be from before Adam, namely before 7000 years ago. I ask you this was man created as a child or an adult? and if so as an adult then why would we expect that all other creation was not made at maturity?

we can say things are older than creation, beast walking the earth millions of years ago, buildings built tens of thousands of years ago, the science used can and i speculate is wrong.
during the flood all things on the earth could have and i still speculate been aged.
we see science with our eyes half open and imperfect understanding and reasoning.

by our reasoning the Hebrew children in Daniel thrown into the furnace should of been consumed. our science says we get thrown into fire we burn, then how is it they did not?

Jonathan · Aug 4, 2010

didnt take me long after picking up my bible and reading the very first chapter of genesis that indeed you are correct in there being an Earth age before man, but Adam was not made on the 8th day. it does not say that on the 8th day God formed man, when it is described the forming of man it is only explaining what happened on the 6th day

HammerStone · Aug 4, 2010

Well, I've always looked at it like this.

In Genesis 1:26 you have the creation of man on the 6th day. The most striking thing about the verse is how Moses goes out of the way to say that man had dominion over everything when it comes to animals. It wasn't a simple statement, it is instead a Polysyndeton which is a literary/rhetorical device. (You can blame the English major side of me for bringing this up!) However, a device like this is used for really one purpose - outside of comedy in some literature - it's meant to highlight the subject of what you're talking about. Leviticus 5:2 is another example of this being done in the Bible.

To paraphrase this is a modern sense, it's effectively saying:

"God made man in his image. He then gave man control over all animals and over all fish of the sea and over all birds of the air and all cattle on the earth and over everything that moves upon the earth."

It's sorta' like rhetorically saying - "Hey you, don't miss this! Just in case...I'll repeat it a couple times!!"

I will note that it does go on to take account of plants, but notice that it's sandwiched in between another reference to the animals.

I'll start with verse 2:4 of the Adam account.

[bible=Genesis 2:4]
These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
[/bible]

I think this verse is oft overlooked. If you want to literally interpret everything - and I'd submit a literal argument that Adam was the first man ~7,000 years ago is hardly literal in the Bible - then here is problem number one. The heavens and the earth weren't created on the 6th day and if you divide up the verse by using the heaven and earth part as a parenthetical expression, then it simply doesn't make sense. It doesn't work grammatically or logically.

However, now we arrive at the part that goes the other way of Genesis 1:26 and onward:

[bible=Genesis 2:5-9]
When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up--for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, and a mist was going up from the land and was watering the whole face of the ground--then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature. And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground the Lord God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. [/bible]

Now back to Genesis 1:

[bible=Genesis 1:11-13]
And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth." And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
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Now, please note the obvious contradiction. This gets overlooked because religious dogma has seared it into our psyche to believe the "majority" account of Genesis and Eden, but what does God's Word really say here? Plants came on the 3rd day according to Genesis 1:11-13. Yet, when Adam was created those plants didn't yet exist. If you want to believe the establishment logic of that somehow God didn't quite do what he said in Genesis 1 or we can recognize that God created men/women (humans) in Genesis 1:26 that were effectively hunter-gatherers and then we have a more "intelligent" Adam who knew how to farm from the start. Some scientists have tried to use this as allegory, but that is simply not the case. We have the creation of man & woman in Genesis 1:26 that were specifically given the roles of hunters and gatherers but then we have agriculture in the Genesis 2 account.

I realize this might be as clear as mud given the typical line on this, but examine the Scriptures closely with a mind open to them. Making Genesis 2 a parenthetical account of Genesis 1:26 does not work. It's not speaking about the same day whether or not you want to call it the 8th day or whatever else.

I'll close with one other point I'd like to make.

by our reasoning the Hebrew children in Daniel thrown into the furnace should of been consumed. our science says we get thrown into fire we burn, then how is it they did not?

The problem with this logic is God doesn't say all that much about exact age of the world. He does (very overtly) say something about the fiery furnace. That's the difference, so a statement like this becomes a bit of a red herring.

Jonathan · Aug 5, 2010

I paraphrased daniel only to point out what science says is impossible God makes possable. (Even the very theory I'm arguing against)

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