Manna Or Quail....our Choice

whirlwind · Jul 17, 2010

An example given to us of our time in the wilderness in the last days:

Exodus 16:1-3 And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt. And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness: And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

The wilderness is pasture land...a place to feed sheep, to feed His children. Here, the congregation is in the wilderness of Sin, which means "thorn, clay." It is located between Elim....a place of "palms" where "were twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees," [Ex.15:27] (a study on it's own but it is a good place to be to learn of God).....and Sinai, which means "thorny." The mountain on which God gave the commandments to Moses.

As these children of Israel hungered in the wilderness...complaining and grumbling as we do today they were in Sin...clay bodies among the thorns, the thorns being....

Judges 8:16 And he took the elders of the city, and thorns of the wilderness and briers, and with them he taught the men of Succoth.

2 Samuel 23:6 But the sons of Belial shall be all of them as thorns thrust away, because they cannot be taken with hands

We too are in our clay bodies, surrounded by thorns, the sons of Satan tempting and deceiving us. On one side of this wilderness we see Elim...a wonderful place...while on the other is Sinai, thorny. Both sides are going to feed us in this wilderness where we are to be proven.

16:4-6 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily. And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the LORD hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:

He provides the bread and we must go out and gather it daily. We are proven on following His Word...on what we gather and prepare.

Matthew 6:10-12 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

He knows just the amount we can consume....

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Even is from noon, when the sun is even overhead until the last sliver of the sun goes down when it is even with the ground. All of that time is evening. Here He tells us that during this time, "at even," we will know the Lord has saved us. Evening, just before the night....Satan's time, is when He rains down manna, bread...the Words of the Lord. Just before Satan's time He gives us twice as much. Just before the time of Satan's great tribulation, in the latter days, He rains down bread....

Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for He hath given you the former rain moderately, and He will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first (month).

16:7-8 And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the LORD; for that He heareth your murmurings against the LORD: and what are we, that ye murmur against us? And Moses said, This shall be, when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the LORD.

He gives us "bread to the full" and yet we murmur, complain and grumble. So, He also provides flesh. Should we partake of the flesh?

16:11-13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God. And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.

What happened to those who ate flesh? The story is told in another Book....

Numbers 11:31-33 And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails from the sea, and let them fall by the camp, as it were a day's journey on this side, and as it were a day's journey on the other side, round about the camp, and as it were two cubits high upon the face of the earth. And the people stood up all that day, and all that night, and all the next day, and they gathered the quails: he that gathered least gathered ten homers: and they spread them all abroad for themselves round about the camp. And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague.

It is also discussed in....

Psalm 78:17-18 And they sinned yet more against Him by provoking the most High in the wilderness. And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust.

78:20-22 Behold, He smote the rock, that the waters gushed out, and the streams overflowed; can He give bread also? can He provide flesh for His people? Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel; Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation:

78:24-29 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat angels' food: He sent them meat to the full. He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by His power He brought in the south wind. He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like as the sand of the sea: And He let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their habitations. So they did eat, and were well filled: for He gave them their own desire;

78:30-33 They were not estranged from their lust. But while their meat was yet in their mouths, The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel. For all this they sinned still, and believed not for His wondrous works. Therefore their days did He consume in vanity, and their years in trouble.

78:34-40 When He slew them, then they sought Him: and they returned and enquired early after God. And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer. Nevertheless they did flatter Him with their mouth, and they lied unto Him with their tongues. For their heart was not right with Him, neither were they stedfast in His covenant. But He, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned He His anger away, and did not stir up all His wrath. For He remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away, and cometh not again. How oft did they provoke Him in the wilderness, and grieve Him in the desert!

1 Corinthians 10:5-6 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Manna or quail, bread or flesh...both available to us in this wilderness. Which do we gather? Which do we lust after?

skyangel · Jul 17, 2010

whirlwind said:
Manna or quail, bread or flesh...both available to us in this wilderness. Which do we gather? Which do we lust after?

John 6:51 -53 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

You cannot eat the bread of Life without also eating the flesh of Jesus because the bread IS the flesh. They are not two separate things.
To know Him is to partake of His sufferings and pain as well as the power of His resurrection.

Phil 3:10-11 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

No man can be resurrected from the dead if he is not dead first.

The choice is to die in the evening ( night) and rise up in newness of Life and walk in the Light of day.

John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

whirlwind · Jul 18, 2010

skyangel said:
John 6:51 -53 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

You cannot eat the bread of Life without also eating the flesh of Jesus because the bread IS the flesh. They are not two separate things.
To know Him is to partake of His sufferings and pain as well as the power of His resurrection.

Phil 3:10-11 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

No man can be resurrected from the dead if he is not dead first.

The choice is to die in the evening ( night) and rise up in newness of Life and walk in the Light of day.

John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Perhaps you missed the topic of the thread. I appreciate the additional verses but they aren't relevant to the OP. You are teaching about the resurrection...the OP is about the choice we make between flesh and bread. Placing the "flesh of Christ" which is the Bread, in the same category with the quail our Father sent...and sends today....isn't correct. They are not one and the same. I repeat the last verse for therein you find the flesh of the quail....

1 Corinthians 10:5-6 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

JarBreaker · Jul 18, 2010

Whirlwind, this occurred to me not long ago ... manna was being fed straight from the Father's hand, this is when we spend time in the Word to learn of Him ourselves ... the 30,000+ separate denominations teaching as many or more different opinions on the Word is like unto the quail ... when the children of Israel in the wilderness were not thankful for being fed directly from His hand, He sent the quail ... which was a flood of meat to choke them til it came out of their nostrils

About Elim ... there is a lot to dig into concerning the names of the 42 camps of the wilderness journey, some teach that each name of the 42 camps represents a "stage" in our individual personal journey ... leaving Egypt / life of sin

whirlwind · Jul 18, 2010

JarBreaker said:
Whirlwind, this occurred to me not long ago ... manna was being fed straight from the Father's hand, this is when we spend time in the Word to learn of Him ourselves ... the 30,000+ separate denominations teaching as many or more different opinions on the Word is like unto the quail ... when the children of Israel in the wilderness were not thankful for being fed directly from His hand, He sent the quail ... which was a flood of meat to choke them til it came out of their nostrils

Exactly JarBreaker. He allows us to stuff ourselves silly with quail...false teaching. We can be filled with His manna or crave, lust after, deception.

11 Thessalonains 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

About Elim ... there is a lot to dig into concerning the names of the 42 camps of the wilderness journey, some teach that each name of the 42 camps represents a "stage" in our individual personal journey ... leaving Egypt / life of sin

It is amazing at times to see what the names mean and the meaning of numbers. So much to learn and so little time.

skyangel · Jul 19, 2010

whirlwind said:
Perhaps you missed the topic of the thread. I appreciate the additional verses but they aren't relevant to the OP. You are teaching about the resurrection...the OP is about the choice we make between flesh and bread. Placing the "flesh of Christ" which is the Bread, in the same category with the quail our Father sent...and sends today....isn't correct. They are not one and the same. I repeat the last verse for therein you find the flesh of the quail....

1 Corinthians 10:5-6 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

No I did not miss it at all. They do relate to each other but you obviously do not see it so there is no point in me trying to explain it.

John 6:48-51 I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Can you not see how the manna in the wilderness relates to the bread of Life ?
If not, may I suggest you ask the Lord for the revelation?

skyangel · Jul 19, 2010

whirlwind said:
Exactly JarBreaker. He allows us to stuff ourselves silly with quail...false teaching. We can be filled with His manna or crave, lust after, deception.

11 Thessalonains 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Why do people keep stuffing themselves with false teaching while they believe it is "meat" sent from heaven?

1 Cor 10:1-6 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Was that "spiritual meat" the quail in your opinion or the manna?

Either way, they were ALL in the wilderness and ALL going through the same trials and tests yet God was not pleased with MANY them at all. Notice the Rock was following them instead of them following the Rock.

Do you call the quail meat and imply it is something evil and call the manna bread and imply that is good. ? Were not both provided by God Himself?

Jesus said the meat and bread were the same thing.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

The bread of heaven ( manna) is also the flesh which is also the meat. ( quail )

whirlwind · Jul 20, 2010

skyangel said:
No I did not miss it at all. They do relate to each other but you obviously do not see it so there is no point in me trying to explain it.

John 6:48-51 I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Can you not see how the manna in the wilderness relates to the bread of Life ?
If not, may I suggest you ask the Lord for the revelation?

Dear Skyangel, The Lord reveals daily. He gives His daily bread and I, as many others, gather it. You are not alone in this enterprise.

Certainly I see that manna is the Bread of Life....I think everyone understands that. Do you see the message in the OP for it is NOT about the flesh of the Lord? If not, may I suggest you read it again and ask the Lord for revelation.

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whirlwind · Jul 20, 2010

skyangel said:
Why do people keep stuffing themselves with false teaching while they believe it is "meat" sent from heaven?

1 Cor 10:1-6 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Was that "spiritual meat" the quail in your opinion or the manna?

Either way, they were ALL in the wilderness and ALL going through the same trials and tests yet God was not pleased with MANY them at all. Notice the Rock was following them instead of them following the Rock.

Do you call the quail meat and imply it is something evil and call the manna bread and imply that is good. ? Were not both provided by God Himself?

Jesus said the meat and bread were the same thing.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

The bread of heaven ( manna) is also the flesh which is also the meat. ( quail )

Please read the OP again. It points out the fact that you are in error....serious error.

We are being fed from both factions while in the wilderness and it is the Lord that sends both. Why? To prove us. I repeat as you appear to have missed the point....

Exodus 16:11-13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God. And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.

What happened to those who ate flesh? The story is told in another Book....

Numbers 11:31-33 And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails from the sea, and let them fall by the camp, as it were a day's journey on this side, and as it were a day's journey on the other side, round about the camp, and as it were two cubits high upon the face of the earth. And the people stood up all that day, and all that night, and all the next day, and they gathered the quails: he that gathered least gathered ten homers: and they spread them all abroad for themselves round about the camp. And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague.

The choice is the manna or the flesh. Both are there. As you pointed out, they all drank the same "spiritual drink" and ate the same "spiritual meat" but did all of them eat the flesh of the quail for the quail was NOT spiritual food. It is what many lusted after. Those that did were overthrown.

skyangel · Jul 20, 2010

whirlwind said:
Please read the OP again. It points out the fact that you are in error....serious error.

We are being fed from both factions while in the wilderness and it is the Lord that sends both. Why? To prove us. I repeat as you appear to have missed the point....

The choice is the manna or the flesh. Both are there. As you pointed out, they all drank the same "spiritual drink" and ate the same "spiritual meat" but did all of them eat the flesh of the quail for the quail was NOT spiritual food. It is what many lusted after. Those that did were overthrown.

The choice is the manna and the flesh. They had the flesh at night and the manna in the morning.

Exodus 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD your God.

We are to partake of both the flesh of Jesus and the bread of Life.

One represents death and suffering. The other represents life and resurrection. No man can be spiritually resurrected by the bread of life unless they have died to the flesh first.

I hope you will understand that one day.

whirlwind · Jul 20, 2010

skyangel said:
The choice is the manna and the flesh. They had the flesh at night and the manna in the morning.

Exodus 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD your God.

We are to partake of both the flesh of Jesus and the bread of Life.

One represents death and suffering. The other represents life and resurrection. No man can be spiritually resurrected by the bread of life unless they have died to the flesh first.

I hope you will understand that one day.

We are presented with two options in this wilderness. The Manna (the flesh of Christ) OR the flesh of the quail (worldly lusts). God provides both...to prove us.

Deuteronomy 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Do we partake of the quail (words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams) or do we gather the Manna (the Words of the Lord.)

In the morning He fills us with bread. If we are full of His Words do we then lust after the quail...which He also sends? It is our choice.

So, where you say, "We are to partake of both the flesh of Jesus and the bread of Life," I agree but submit they are one and the same. The quail however is not the flesh of the Lord for when one eats the quail one DIES. You ignored the Numbers Scripture in the previous post so allow me to quote another passage (in the OP you apparently overlooked) dealing with the same subject...what happens to those that eat the quail....

Psalm 78:17-18 And they sinned yet more against Him by provoking the most High in the wilderness. And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust.

78:20-22 Behold, He smote the rock, that the waters gushed out, and the streams overflowed; can He give bread also? can He provide flesh for His people? Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel; Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation:

78:24-29 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat angels' food: He sent them meat to the full. He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by His power He brought in the south wind. He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like as the sand of the sea: And He let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their habitations. So they did eat, and were well filled: for He gave them their own desire;

78:30-33 They were not estranged from their lust. But while their meat was yet in their mouths, The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel. For all this they sinned still, and believed not for His wondrous works. Therefore their days did He consume in vanity, and their years in trouble.

78:34-40 When He slew them, then they sought Him: and they returned and enquired early after God. And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer. Nevertheless they did flatter Him with their mouth, and they lied unto Him with their tongues. For their heart was not right with Him, neither were they stedfast in His covenant. But He, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned He His anger away, and did not stir up all His wrath. For He remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away, and cometh not again. How oft did they provoke Him in the wilderness, and grieve Him in the desert!

Does that help you understand the difference in the Manna and the Quail? :huh:

One represents death and suffering. The other represents life and resurrection. No man can be spiritually resurrected by the bread of life unless they have died to the flesh first.

I hope you will understand that one day.

Oh....I understand that.

skyangel · Jul 21, 2010

whirlwind said:
We are presented with two options in this wilderness. The Manna (the flesh of Christ) OR the flesh of the quail (worldly lusts). God provides both...to prove us.

Deuteronomy 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Do we partake of the quail (words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams) or do we gather the Manna (the Words of the Lord.)

In the morning He fills us with bread. If we are full of His Words do we then lust after the quail...which He also sends? It is our choice.

So, where you say, "We are to partake of both the flesh of Jesus and the bread of Life," I agree but submit they are one and the same. The quail however is not the flesh of the Lord for when one eats the quail one DIES. You ignored the Numbers Scripture in the previous post so allow me to quote another passage (in the OP you apparently overlooked) dealing with the same subject...what happens to those that eat the quail....

Psalm 78:17-18 And they sinned yet more against Him by provoking the most High in the wilderness. And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust.

78:20-22 Behold, He smote the rock, that the waters gushed out, and the streams overflowed; can He give bread also? can He provide flesh for His people? Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel; Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation:

78:24-29 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat angels' food: He sent them meat to the full. He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by His power He brought in the south wind. He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like as the sand of the sea: And He let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their habitations. So they did eat, and were well filled: for He gave them their own desire;

78:30-33 They were not estranged from their lust. But while their meat was yet in their mouths, The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel. For all this they sinned still, and believed not for His wondrous works. Therefore their days did He consume in vanity, and their years in trouble.

78:34-40 When He slew them, then they sought Him: and they returned and enquired early after God. And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer. Nevertheless they did flatter Him with their mouth, and they lied unto Him with their tongues. For their heart was not right with Him, neither were they stedfast in His covenant. But He, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned He His anger away, and did not stir up all His wrath. For He remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away, and cometh not again. How oft did they provoke Him in the wilderness, and grieve Him in the desert!

Does that help you understand the difference in the Manna and the Quail? :huh:

I do not understand how and why you relate the quails meat to being something evil. The people asked for meat and God gave them meat.
Psalms 105:40 [The people] asked, and he brought quails, and satisfied them with the bread of heaven.

God does not give His people anything that is not for their own good.
God cannot be tempted with evil and neither does He tempt any man. ( James 1:13 )

There are only three instances in the bible where the quails are mentioned.... Ex 16:13, Numbers 11:31-32, Psalm 105:40

None of those places imply those quails were evil meat in any way. It was meat which was provided by God Himself. Are you suggesting that God gives mankind evil things to eat and then punishes them for eating it?

There is nothing at all in Psalm 78 to indicate the meat they were asking for was the quail which He sent to them. If you are relating the quail to the mention of feathered fowl then you may be pushing the limits of your imagination. Even if the feathered fowl were the quail, do you really think God would give man anything evil to eat and then punish them for eating it?

I suggest to you that the anger of God has nothing to do with the quail meat or manna which God sent to feed them and which they ate but rather had to do with their attitude toward what God gave them and their murmurings and complaining in general.. They were complaining that all they had was meat /manna and they were still lusting after the flesh pots of Egypt in their heart and wanted to go back to Egypt and back to the comforts of the world. They hated the harshness and hardships, trials and tests of the wilderness life.

Ex 16: 3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, [and] when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

Ex 16: 8 And Moses said, [This shall be], when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what [are] we? your murmurings [are] not against us, but against the LORD.

It is not what men do on outward appearances which makes God angry. It is not what goes into a man which defiles him but that which comes out of a man which defiles him.

Matt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

1 Sam 16: 7 ................for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

There is no difference between meat that God gives to people. The meat which God provides is good meat regardless of what animal it comes from.

You said "The quail however is not the flesh of the Lord for when one eats the quail one DIES. "

I say when one partakes of the flesh of the Lord one also dies. To partake of the flesh of the Lord represents dying to ourselves in the same way Jesus flesh died on the cross.

John 12:24-25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

In the principles of God we cannot bear fruit unless we die first like that corn of wheat.

We are to take up our cross daily and follow Him all the way to death.

Luke 9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

I die daily

JarBreaker · Jul 21, 2010

skyangel said:
I do not understand how and why you relate the quails meat to being something evil. The people asked for meat and God gave them meat.

Til it CHOKED THEM and RAN OUT OF THEIR NOSTRILS.

"God does not give His people anything that is not for their own good."

It was for their own good ... to make them BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR.

"Are you suggesting that God gives mankind evil things to eat and then punishes them for eating it? "

It wasnt giving them an evil thing to eat ... they were not satisfied with what he gave them, they MURMURED AGAINST HIM.

even still, there's this ...

Isa. 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

err, KJV better for that
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

But im afraid that opens a whole other can of worms.

whirlwind · Jul 21, 2010

skyangel said:
I do not understand how and why you relate the quails meat to being something evil. The people asked for meat and God gave them meat.
Psalms 105:40 [The people] asked, and he brought quails, and satisfied them with the bread of heaven.

Indeed...they did ask and they got what they asked for. The "bread of heaven" satisfied them and yet they asked for more, for flesh.

God does not give His people anything that is not for their own good.
God cannot be tempted with evil and neither does He tempt any man. ( James 1:13 )

That quote was enclosed in a much more telling passage. Did you not see it?

James 1:2-3 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

1:12-15 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love Him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

They lusted after flesh....and God provided quail, which represents false doctrine, lies, deception, polluted religion. God doesn't make evil go away Skyangel....He expects us to stay away from evil.

There are only three instances in the bible where the quails are mentioned.... Ex 16:13, Numbers 11:31-32, Psalm 105:40

None of those places imply those quails were evil meat in any way. It was meat which was provided by God Himself. Are you suggesting that God gives mankind evil things to eat and then punishes them for eating it?

Yes. It is a choice we make. Do we partake of worldly things or...not? Our choice, our test, our being proven.

You are mistaken about nothing implying the quail was evil. Please reread the OP.

There is nothing at all in Psalm 78 to indicate the meat they were asking for was the quail which He sent to them. If you are relating the quail to the mention of feathered fowl then you may be pushing the limits of your imagination. Even if the feathered fowl were the quail, do you really think God would give man anything evil to eat and then punish them for eating it?

I do relate the quail to the "feathered fowl" and question why you wouldn't. Perhaps this will help....

Numbers 11:31-33 And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails from the sea, and let them fall by the camp, as it were a day's journey on this side, and as it were a day's journey on the other side, round about the camp, and as it were two cubits high upon the face of the earth. And the people stood up all that day, and all that night, and all the next day, and they gathered the quails: he that gathered least gathered ten homers: and they spread them all abroad for themselves round about the camp. And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague.

Did God send them? Did they gather and eat quail? Was the quail flesh? Was God angry about their decision to eat the quail He sent?

I suggest to you that the anger of God has nothing to do with the quail meat or manna which God sent to feed them and which they ate but rather had to do with their attitude toward what God gave them and their murmurings and complaining in general.. They were complaining that all they had was meat /manna and they were still lusting after the flesh pots of Egypt in their heart and wanted to go back to Egypt and back to the comforts of the world. They hated the harshness and hardships, trials and tests of the wilderness life.

Ex 16: 3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, [and] when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

Ex 16: 8 And Moses said, [This shall be], when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what [are] we? your murmurings [are] not against us, but against the LORD.

It is not what men do on outward appearances which makes God angry. It is not what goes into a man which defiles him but that which comes out of a man which defiles him.

Matt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

1 Sam 16: 7 ................for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

There is no difference between meat that God gives to people. The meat which God provides is good meat regardless of what animal it comes from.

Of course His anger had nothing to do with the Manna...it was the quail. As an aside....the meat of many animals is NOT good meat...literally or spiritually.

This time of testing has nothing to do with inward or outward appearances. He tells us the reason......

Exodus 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Exodus 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that His fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.

You said "The quail however is not the flesh of the Lord for when one eats the quail one DIES. "

I say when one partakes of the flesh of the Lord one also dies. To partake of the flesh of the Lord represents dying to ourselves in the same way Jesus flesh died on the cross.

John 12:24-25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

In the principles of God we cannot bear fruit unless we die first like that corn of wheat.

We are to take up our cross daily and follow Him all the way to death.

Luke 9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

I die daily

I agree. However, it has nothing to do with consuming quail. Dying to self, as we die daily, is about turning from worldly things, worldly lusts...worldly flesh/quail.

JarBreaker · Jul 21, 2010

whirlwind said:
brought quails from the sea, and let them fall by the camp, as it were a day's journey on this side, and as it were a day's journey on the other side, round about thecamp

Probably something here too. He brought them from THE SEA .... and they fell outside the camp (outside His protection) .... mana was right outside their door/tents but the quail were a day's journey

whirlwind · Jul 21, 2010

JarBreaker said:
Probably something here too. He brought them from THE SEA .... and they fell outside the camp (outside His protection) .... mana was right outside their door/tents but the quail were a day's journey

Very good point! I agree. Coming from the SEA and being "outside His protection," tells us a great deal. I missed those little golden nuggets...thank you for seeing them.

skyangel · Jul 21, 2010

Num 11:18 And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for [it was] well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat.

John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together

whirlwind · Jul 21, 2010

skyangel said:
Num 11:18 And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for [it was] well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat.

And...He gave it to them didn't He?

Numbers 11:18-20 And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat. Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days; But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised the LORD which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt?

John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together

There is flesh and then...there is flesh. The flesh of Christ is NOT a quail. The flesh of Christ is not equated with lust...as is the quail.

skyangel · Jul 21, 2010

whirlwind said:
And...He gave it to them didn't He?

Numbers 11:18-20 And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat. Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days; But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised the LORD which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt?

There is flesh and then...there is flesh. The flesh of Christ is NOT a quail. The flesh of Christ is not equated with lust...as is the quail.

I am fully aware that there are different kinds of flesh but God never tempts anyone and never leads them into sin. If the quails represented lusts then you are implying that God gives people the lusts of their heart and allows them to partake of them and then punishes them for what HE gave them in the first place. That makes no sense at all.

Where do lusts come from ?
Are you suggesting they come from God?
Does God give people their own lusts to eat?
What kind of flesh does God give to people to eat?
What kind does the devil give people to eat?
Who gave the Isrealites the quails which you equate with lusts? God or the devil?

Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

whirlwind · Jul 22, 2010

skyangel said:
I am fully aware that there are different kinds of flesh but God never tempts anyone and never leads them into sin. If the quails represented lusts then you are implying that God gives people the lusts of their heart and allows them to partake of them and then punishes them for what HE gave them in the first place. That makes no sense at all.

Where do lusts come from ?
Are you suggesting they come from God?
Does God give people their own lusts to eat?
What kind of flesh does God give to people to eat?
What kind does the devil give people to eat?
Who gave the Isrealites the quails which you equate with lusts? God or the devil?

Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

On this point you were corrected by the Word of the Lord in a previous post....did you not hear Him? The quail doesn't represent lust. Lust comes from within each of us. The quail was sent by the Lord...as all temptations are in front of us each day in our time in the wilderness. Do we continue to lust after them, after the quail....or do we fill ourselves on His Word?

If you are aware of the different types of flesh then you should know that the quail did not represent the flesh of Christ...for MANY verses made us congnizant of that truth...do you not see? God sent the quail. Certain Israelites chose to partake of the quail. They were punished.

Now...was the quail the flesh of Christ? Does He punish us for partaking of Christ?

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