then Jesus would have also been conceived in sin?
what are the things plural refered to in Lk 1:49?
Why is Mary blessed?
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then Jesus would have also been conceived in sin?
what are the things plural refered to in Lk 1:49?
Then you also have to deal with the authority of Christ given to Peter the apostles and their successors mat 16:18 18:18
Bind on earth and is bound in heaven
Ineffabilis Deus
The Immaculate Conception
Pope BI. Pius IX - 1854
“We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”
Gen 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
(Enmities total war, none of satan’s works found in Her immaculate purity)
Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
(Immaculate purity, full of grace, blessed)
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Mary must have immaculate purity)
Lk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Preserved from all sin in virtue of the merits of the blood of the savior who is Her son)
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
(Immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus)
Song of Solomon 4:1 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.
Rev 12:1 a woman clothed with the sun.
(Immaculate purity)
Bind on earth and is bound in heaven
Ineffabilis Deus
The Immaculate Conception
Pope BI. Pius IX - 1854
“We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”
Gen 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
(Enmities total war, none of satan’s works found in Her immaculate purity)
Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
(Immaculate purity, full of grace, blessed)
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Mary must have immaculate purity)
Lk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Preserved from all sin in virtue of the merits of the blood of the savior who is Her son)
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
(Immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus)
Song of Solomon 4:1 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.
Rev 12:1 a woman clothed with the sun.
(Immaculate purity)
One problem with the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is that it is not taught in the Bible.
Jesus was not 'conceived' in the normal way so obviously wasn't conceived in sin as he was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit.
I'm not surprised that such teaching comes from men and women who are required to suppress their natural sexuality. They teach that the church was built on Peter who was a married man so I don't understand why they require their priests to remain celibate. But we all know many of them don't keep that promise - oh but perhaps it doesn't count if it's with children.
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he was conceived of the HS in a perpetual Virgin that was conceived without sin, the only possible way to be conceived without sin
celibacy is not a doctrine but a discipline
Discipline can change
Even Jesus teaches that a lower good can be sacrificed for a higher good
mk 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
You are absolutely free to believe your church's doctrines and disciplines over the bible but it doesn't make them true. Your priests/teachers are deceived and in turn deceive others - and so it goes on from age to age. I just wish more people could have their eyes open to see it as the deceit it really is and come against it in the name of Jesus. But you are all so instilled with fear of stepping out of line that the false teachings are perpetuated from generation to generation. I pray that you will eventually be able to see that you have been led astray by people who are supposed to be your shepherds guiding you into the truth. Look only to the Good Shepherd.
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I don’t have a church and nobody else does either only Christ has His church
jn 10:16
just like outside of the ark of Noah all died, as the Bible says outside the sacraments of the church there is no salvation
1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
Definitely not just the rcc. Christ's 'One True Church' is made up of born again believers, past, present and future, from all/any denominations or none. The true Church belongs to nobody apart from Jesus.
then how can it be the body of Christ?
a body is physical
Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
show me this city and who are the light of the world
the church must be physical and spiritual
1 Peter 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
where does the Bible say believers make up the church?
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
The One True Church is the body of Christ; made up of born again believers from all denominations, all races, all countries; men, woman and young people. The One True Church does not belong solely to any particular denomination or tradition. And if you believe it does then you are very wrong my friend. Jesus' Church is all encompassing and welcomes all who will accept him as Saviour and are born again. But there again you will hold tightly to your own beliefs without even a thought to the fact I might be right. It is so sad that so many are trapped by these false doctrines and teachings. I pray that you will one day see the light.
@Pearl New Testament books such as Acts and Ephesians show particularly that what you say is indeed true, about the church now comprising people from many backgrounds.
@Pearl I do love Hebrews 13.20-21:
"Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
how do you become born again?
what is the basis for this church unity?
who has authority from Christ to govern the church?
it refers to vs 49 and the things (plural) that God has done to her
the immaculate conception (Mary received all graces for all men and all time) as vs 28 says fullness of grace and therefore salvation which is the favor vs 30 that Adam lost
explain Lk 2:35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
Ronald David Bruno
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"Blessed" just means happy and all good things come from God. She was a happy, thankful, gracious person among women. She was certainly special and when she conceived, she was full of grace (unmerited favor). She was chosen out of all women in Israel. Her lineage went back to David, but even her husband's lineage went back to David. It was planned long ago, before Abraham, before the foundation of the world.
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