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Well... I have seen over the years that people seem to believe what they want to believe... and I have no desire to get into any of it...
However... I had to say... your comment caused me shock... and I am not easily shocked.... Anyways... It's all good... Again.... thank you
for taking the time to answer my question.
You are welcome.

Your assignment for today is to quote Acts 2:37-38 ten times....:)


37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.....



Blessings.
 

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Water Baptism does not save.

God made that clear in eph. 2 and Romans 10. It is confidence in the death and resurrection of Jesus as the sole payment of sin.

We are saved by grace through faith and not works. Baptism is a work.

Water Baptism is a public testimony that we are saved and have committed ourself to follow Jesus. It is an act of identification.

And you are correct- God uses the name of Jesus! When He decides not us!

Ephesians 2:8-10
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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Romans 10:9-10
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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


Water Baptism doesn't save. It is a sign to the world that we are saved!

Acts 2 is a unique time in history! Remember the crowd who was being preached to. These were Jews who had seen or heard of Jesus! Jesus is the fulfilment of many of the OT prophecies.

Also I have been to Israel and Jerusalem. There is no body of water in near proximity of Jerusalem where 3,000 people could be baptized in a day by the 12 apostles.


I agree with Truther
Can I also add that Jesus said baptism saves us:
"He who believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mk 1616)
Belief + baptism = salvation

Peter also says that baptism saves us.
"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you" (1Pet 3:21).

Nowhere does scripture say that baptism is merely a sign that we have been saved.

If Baptism is a work then so is belief. It is a mental work.
But truly baptism is a work of God - when the Holy Spirit renews us; when God forgives our sins; when God accepts us into the New Covenant.

Baptism is the normal way of salvation that Jesus gave us.
 
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John 1:12
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12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Was this power and official reception of Jesus in Acts 2, or some other way?


8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Does this debunk the modernists that say "I receive Jesus" without receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost per the Acts 2 experience?

Is there some new, modern way to receive Christ as one's personal savior and skip Acts?

Your questions or comments are welcome here.
Perhaps it goes further than you think. Here is a question we all need to ponder.

Do we think those who contend that they indeed have received the Baptism similar to those in the book of Acts are walking in that same single mindedness, loving not the world or the things it offers? Do men say of these in fear "Those who have turned the entire world upside down have come here also!"? Do they marvel saying with astonishment "Look how they love one another!"?

We may want to examine our experience versus theirs. Why? Because we are told that to whom much is given, much is required. We are told that judgment will not begin in the world, but with His own.

God has more for us, much more. But to simply be content with an experience that does not translate into holiness of character, nor fruits of the Spirit that declares to the world "Christ lives here.", nor a burning passion for the souls of those who do not yet know Jesus should tell us that something is way off kilter in our understanding of things.

The question is.... what is it? Will we dig deep to find out what it is, or simply fall back on our experience as proof that there is no reason to be alarmed and that we are 'walking just fine, thank you very much'? How we respond to this question will determine far more than we know.

blessings,

Gideon
 
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John 1:12
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12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Was this power and official reception of Jesus in Acts 2, or some other way?


8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Does this debunk the modernists that say "I receive Jesus" without receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost per the Acts 2 experience?

Is there some new, modern way to receive Christ as one's personal savior and skip Acts?

Your questions or comments are welcome here.

I didn't receive the power of the Spirit until 30 years AFTER first believing in Christ! That was 43 years ago and I've had time to ponder what finally triggered receiving Jesus into me, rather than admiring Him from afar as many still do.

Many try different avenues. Adventists take pride in keeping the Ten Commandments and succeeding in keeping their bodies healthy through vegetarianism. (My first denomination). Frankly, I wasn't taught about the necessity of being born again of the Spirit. It was all self-effort.

I left the Seventh-day Adventist denomination after being involved in a one-on-one, all night debate with a member of the Church of Christ on law vs. grace. Grace won. But was only in the Church of Christ for a year due to losing another debate with a Pentecostal on 1 Corinthians 13. Basically, for the next 6 years I was open to the fullness of the gospel, and was no longer a staunch Cessationist. But actually receiving the Spirit was something else entirely.

I have come to the conclusion that it takes integrity of heart. When I was growing up, it was easy to keep the Ten Commandments, you just don't murder anyone. Simple. And the diet is wonderful too. I still love it. But there was one addiction I couldn't conquer on my own. Oh I would try (self-effort) that lasted 3 days, then right back at it again. The next month I'd try again. Month after month without success. Then I heard a sermon on integrity of heart and that was the key. So I just got honest with Jesus that He was stronger than I was, and if he wanted me to stop, then He was going to have to be the one to do it, because as much as I wanted to, I couldn't stop. So I was just going to stop trying. That was when He took over and a stream of events started happening. At the end of three weeks, I saw a vision, the first time in my life I received an answer to prayer, I heard God's voice (and He hasn't stopped talking), and He filled me with His Spirit from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet. It was a completely awesome religious experience. And I was free from all desire to sin.
 
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We may want to examine our experience versus theirs.

God has more for us, much more. But to simply be content with an experience

The question is.... what is it? Will we dig deep to find out what it is, or simply fall back on our experience as proof

Gideon

Why do you have your mind on experience so much? Isn't the word of God the authority on how to practice Christianity? It's not like you need to experience something to know if it's of God or not because feelings are deceptive and scripture is perfect. It's not our experience vs theirs it's experience vs scripture.
 

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I didn't receive the power of the Spirit until 30 years AFTER first believing in Christ!

I left the Seventh-day Adventist denomination after being involved in a one-on-one, all night debate with a member of the Church of Christ on law vs. grace. Grace won. But was only in the Church of Christ for a year due to losing another debate with a Pentecostal on 1 Corinthians 13. Basically, for the next 6 years I was open to the fullness of the gospel, and was no longer a staunch Cessationist. But actually receiving the Spirit was something else entirely

There are many things wrong with what you're saying. First of all it isn't law vs grace. God gave us law and grace to believe those two things as opposing forces is unscriptural.
Recieving the spirit happens at salvation and that is your experience vs scripture.
 

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John 1:12
King James Version

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Was this power and official reception of Jesus in Acts 2, or some other way?


8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Does this debunk the modernists that say "I receive Jesus" without receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost per the Acts 2 experience?

Is there some new, modern way to receive Christ as one's personal savior and skip Acts?

Your questions or comments are welcome here.

The Holy Spirit will come and live in those who believe in Jesus, this being the promise Jesus made to His disciples before leaving them-that if He goes, He will send someone to guide and comfort. "Receiving" Jesus simply means believing that He is the Son of God and that His blood had the power and is all we need to cleanse us from sin. Works only prove that we are saved and are not needed in order to be saved, but for those who believes in Jesus, this is obvious because the Holy Spirit lives in them and the works they do have been planned by God for them.

Also, Jesus said repeatedly "Your faith saved you", and whenever the apostles were asked what one can do in order to receive salvation, they would say "Believe in Jesus", after which they would've baptized. The event that occurred at Pentecost 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus was a one-time event to prove to unbelievers that the apostles were accredited and had the power from above to continue the work that Jesus started. Today, people are still saved by believing in the name of Jesus, and they receive the Holy Spirit in the moment of their salvation, but what happened at Pentecost will never happen again.
 

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Why do you have your mind on experience so much? Isn't the word of God the authority on how to practice Christianity? It's not like you need to experience something to know if it's of God or not because feelings are deceptive and scripture is perfect. It's not our experience vs theirs it's experience vs scripture.

Yet, experiences are why many believed in Jesus. However, I believe that people too often want to see the experiences right here, right now, instead of letting God work in their lives. When people give God the liberty to work, they will have the experiences they are looking for.
 

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Why do you have your mind on experience so much? Isn't the word of God the authority on how to practice Christianity? It's not like you need to experience something to know if it's of God or not because feelings are deceptive and scripture is perfect. It's not our experience vs theirs it's experience vs scripture.
So, how is that working for us?

Are we running our race as if there is but one prize? Are we seeing every thought brought into submission to the obedience of Christ? Are we loving one another as Christ loved us? Is His church walking as sojourners, eyes fixed upon Heaven, obeying the Lord with all that is in them?

Whether we want to admit it or not, the early church possessed, or more accuraty, were possessed by what we profess to possess but do not... yet.

Until that bothers us to the point we fall on our knees and ask God to show us why we are so far from what He showed was clearly possible with the early church, we will remain bickering and arguing, trying to convince other saints that our interpretation of scripture is the correct one, while the world continues to look on, and continues to view us as hypocrites, saying "No thank you."

A final harvest is approaching. A huge harvest. Do we know what God said would be the reason for such an amazing event?

"... and the heathen will know that I am the Lord, when I shall be sanctified IN YOU, before their very eyes."

Ezekiel 36

This, dear brothers and sisters, is the experience of which I speak. It is not an "emotional' experience, but I guarantee, emotions will be involved! God wants to pour His Spirit out upon all of us, weak and strong alike, and transform us into overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil. And when we will accept nothing less, and cry out to God to free us from sin and self love, we will be amazed at what He has planned for us. Glory!

blessings,

Gideon
 

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Perhaps it goes further than you think. Here is a question we all need to ponder.

Do we think those who contend that they indeed have received the Baptism similar to those in the book of Acts are walking in that same single mindedness, loving not the world or the things it offers? Do men say of these in fear "Those who have turned the entire world upside down have come here also!"? Do they marvel saying with astonishment "Look how they love one another!"?

We may want to examine our experience versus theirs. Why? Because we are told that to whom much is given, much is required. We are told that judgment will not begin in the world, but with His own.

God has more for us, much more. But to simply be content with an experience that does not translate into holiness of character, nor fruits of the Spirit that declares to the world "Christ lives here.", nor a burning passion for the souls of those who do not yet know Jesus should tell us that something is way off kilter in our understanding of things.

The question is.... what is it? Will we dig deep to find out what it is, or simply fall back on our experience as proof that there is no reason to be alarmed and that we are 'walking just fine, thank you very much'? How we respond to this question will determine far more than we know.

blessings,

Gideon
I think the quest for life should be to duplicate the doctrine and experience that we see in the church of Acts.

This is our plumbline and standard to use to know if we are in the original church.

Anything short of that is a bummer for me.
 

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I didn't receive the power of the Spirit until 30 years AFTER first believing in Christ! That was 43 years ago and I've had time to ponder what finally triggered receiving Jesus into me, rather than admiring Him from afar as many still do.

Many try different avenues. Adventists take pride in keeping the Ten Commandments and succeeding in keeping their bodies healthy through vegetarianism. (My first denomination). Frankly, I wasn't taught about the necessity of being born again of the Spirit. It was all self-effort.

I left the Seventh-day Adventist denomination after being involved in a one-on-one, all night debate with a member of the Church of Christ on law vs. grace. Grace won. But was only in the Church of Christ for a year due to losing another debate with a Pentecostal on 1 Corinthians 13. Basically, for the next 6 years I was open to the fullness of the gospel, and was no longer a staunch Cessationist. But actually receiving the Spirit was something else entirely.

I have come to the conclusion that it takes integrity of heart. When I was growing up, it was easy to keep the Ten Commandments, you just don't murder anyone. Simple. And the diet is wonderful too. I still love it. But there was one addiction I couldn't conquer on my own. Oh I would try (self-effort) that lasted 3 days, then right back at it again. The next month I'd try again. Month after month without success. Then I heard a sermon on integrity of heart and that was the key. So I just got honest with Jesus that He was stronger than I was, and if he wanted me to stop, then He was going to have to be the one to do it, because as much as I wanted to, I couldn't stop. So I was just going to stop trying. That was when He took over and a stream of events started happening. At the end of three weeks, I saw a vision, the first time in my life I received an answer to prayer, I heard God's voice (and He hasn't stopped talking), and He filled me with His Spirit from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet. It was a completely awesome religious experience. And I was free from all desire to sin.
I also found that the key to be free from the desire to sin is to pray through in the Spirit and in tongues. It dominates me and controls me when I do that. The only hard part for me is subjecting my carnal man to prayer.
 

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The Holy Spirit will come and live in those who believe in Jesus, this being the promise Jesus made to His disciples before leaving them-that if He goes, He will send someone to guide and comfort. "Receiving" Jesus simply means believing that He is the Son of God and that His blood had the power and is all we need to cleanse us from sin. Works only prove that we are saved and are not needed in order to be saved, but for those who believes in Jesus, this is obvious because the Holy Spirit lives in them and the works they do have been planned by God for them.

Also, Jesus said repeatedly "Your faith saved you", and whenever the apostles were asked what one can do in order to receive salvation, they would say "Believe in Jesus", after which they would've baptized. The event that occurred at Pentecost 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus was a one-time event to prove to unbelievers that the apostles were accredited and had the power from above to continue the work that Jesus started. Today, people are still saved by believing in the name of Jesus, and they receive the Holy Spirit in the moment of their salvation, but what happened at Pentecost will never happen again.
Actually, receiving Jesus is no less than having this happen to you...


4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Anything less than this is not the Acts way to receive Jesus.

You don't get filled with Jesus before nor after this event in your life.

This should be the Christian's goal.

Reject what men told you if you heard it is just a simple confession.

This event in Acts 2:4 is the "Power" Jesus spoke of in chapter 1.
 

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There are many things wrong with what you're saying. First of all it isn't law vs grace. God gave us law and grace to believe those two things as opposing forces is unscriptural.
Recieving the spirit happens at salvation and that is your experience vs scripture.

I agree with you. The night I learned about grace, I learned the wrong but common definition of grace. It was only after receiving the Holy Spirit that the Spirit of Truth taught me that grace isn't unmerited favor, but the divine power of God, 2 Peter 1:2-4, where he has written the righteous requirements of the law on our hearts. Jeremiah 31:31. Romans 3:31.

There is a difference between knowing the laws engraved on stone and trying to keep them with your old carnal nature which is in opposition to the law, and God changing your carnal nature to that of His Son, the divine nature, where we naturally keep God's laws of righteousness. Jesus was conceived with the seed of the Father, and we receive His seed when we are born again. 1 John 3:9; 1 John 5:18.
 
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I also found that the key to be free from the desire to sin is to pray through in the Spirit and in tongues. It dominates me and controls me when I do that. The only hard part for me is subjecting my carnal man to prayer.

I'm not much of a fan of John MacArthur, due to his being so rabid against the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and other doctrines, but there is one of his teachings that surprised me, as I totally agree. (Shock). And that is his doctrine of one nature. He believes that when we are born again, the old nature is dead, and so do I.
 

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Why do you have your mind on experience so much? Isn't the word of God the authority on how to practice Christianity? It's not like you need to experience something to know if it's of God or not because feelings are deceptive and scripture is perfect. It's not our experience vs theirs it's experience vs scripture.

Yes, the word of God is our authority, but our lives will either confirm or contradict the Word. For instance, how many of us receive what we pray for? 1 John 3:21-22?
 

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Actually, receiving Jesus is no less than having this happen to you...


4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Anything less than this is not the Acts way to receive Jesus.

You don't get filled with Jesus before nor after this event in your life.

This should be the Christian's goal.

Reject what men told you if you heard it is just a simple confession.

This event in Acts 2:4 is the "Power" Jesus spoke of in chapter 1.

I disagree.
See post #5
 

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I'm not much of a fan of John MacArthur, due to his being so rabid against the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and other doctrines, but there is one of his teachings that surprised me, as I totally agree. (Shock). And that is his doctrine of one nature. He believes that when we are born again, the old nature is dead, and so do I.
Paul in Romans 7 struggled with his old man. I wonder what Mr. McArthur had that Paul did not?
 

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I disagree.
See post #5
Jesus said go to Jerusalem to receive power in chapter 1.

They go to Jerusalem and the power is endued from on high in chapter 2.

It does not take a PHD to figure that out.
 

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Paul in Romans 7 struggled with his old man. I wonder what Mr. McArthur had that Paul did not?

Romans 7 is the old man before Christ and His Spirit, but look at the conclusion of that passage in context, Romans 8:2. Who got free from the old man of sin and death? Do you see that it was Paul?

Rule: Context of a verse should always be found by reading the preceding 20 verses before the verse, and 20 verses after the verse. If that had been done, most would not have overlooked Romans 8:2-9 when trying to apply Romans 7:14-23 to themselves.

What Paul was teaching is the difference between those keeping the Ten Commandments before Christ's Spirit, and by their old flesh, and those after Christ who have the laws of God written on their heart. Old Covenant vs. New Covenant. Law vs. Spirit. Before Christ vs. After Christ. Get it?

What do you think about Romans 6:6 below? I'm not mocking you; I'm wondering too why Paul sometimes says to take off the old man. So let's study this together. I want to look at those other verses, at the bottom, and see if Paul is talking about those pseudo Christians in the Church that have never been born again, like depicted in 1 Corinthians, who were finally saved in 2 Corinthians 7. For me I wasn't for the first 30 years, so I doubt I'm the only one who went to church unsaved! At the time, I was so entrenched in sin that I'm sure Matthew 7:21-23 would have been said to me. I'm so glad I didn't die early!

Romans 6:6
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

2 Corinthians 7:8 For even if I made you sorry with my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it. For I perceive that the same epistle made you sorry, though only for a while. 9 Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing. 10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. 11 For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

That brings me to another doctrinal problem. Why were the Corinthians called carnal when they "fell short in no gift of the Holy Spirit"? Of course, Romans 11 says that the gifts of God are irrevocable, so can the old nature be resurrected, as Matthew 7:21-23 seems to say? To me, receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit causes us to be born again. See my dilemma? I do believe that we are put on the path of being saved, and that we can fall off that path unless we endure to the end. I, at least, don't believe that our salvation is secure from the beginning. So, no, I don't believe OSAS is possible from the beginning, or that you can fall off and remain "saved." My "assurance" is more in line with 1 John 3:21-24.

And 2 Peter 1:
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

It appears there in 10-11 that those who continue to sin are those who stumble, and their entrance to heaven is NOT sure.

Other verses:

Ephesians 4:22
that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,

Colossians 3:9
Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,
 
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You went straight from the gospels to the epistles to the saved saints and illegally used their confirmation letters.

You officially skipped Acts.

Why?

Simply because I didn't use it or revelation or John or peter or Jude. No "official" thing about it.