How does one "receive" Jesus and His subsequent power?

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Truther

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That is not the only way to be filled with the Holy Spirit as I pointed out in post #5.
You said:
"Anything less than this is not the Acts way to receive Jesus.
You don't get filled with Jesus before nor after this event in your life.
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which is untrue.

P.S. Are we not talking about being filled with the Holy Spirit, not Jesus?
The Holy Ghost is God inside Jesus....inside us.

God and Jesus are Holy, and Spirit.
 

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One is filled with the Holy Spirit in the moment is salvation, not when speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is a manifestation of being filled with the Holy Spirit, and the interesting thing about it is that it is a manifestation to those around you rather than something one possesses. In other words, in Acts chapter two, the apostles were heard speaking in tongues by the foreign Jews who came to Jerusalem. And what seems interesting is that many churches try to imitate what happened then in some other way, instead of praying that the Holy Spirit would speak to those who have never heard the word; they are more concerned with the manifestation rather than the One who manifests Himself and can make himself heard to anyone when He is present. Not to say that those churches lack the presence of the Holy Spirit, but again, speaking in tongues is a manifestation for the unbelievers, not a sign of being saved for the believers.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues,....
 

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25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I know you have been taught that, but don't forget CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT. Verse 25 shows that this is talking about the Law of Moses that was in their mind, but they would still have to keep it with their sin nature. (vs. 13). But as I showed you, Paul went on in present tense to show that he has been FREED from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:2. He now has the Spirit. And in Romans 8:9 it says, that he is NOT IN THE FLESH but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God indwells us. If not, we do not belong to Christ.

Truther, many who do not have the Spirit of God indwelling them cannot relate to chapter 8, only chapter 7. Don't let that be you too.
 

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I know you have been taught that, but don't forget CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT. Verse 25 shows that this is talking about the Law of Moses that was in their mind, but they would still have to keep it with their sin nature. (vs. 13). But as I showed you, Paul went on in present tense to show that he has been FREED from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:2. He now has the Spirit. And in Romans 8:9 it says, that he is NOT IN THE FLESH but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God indwells us. If not, we do not belong to Christ.

Truther, many who do not have the Spirit of God indwelling them cannot relate to chapter 8, only chapter 7. Don't let that be you too.
Paul said the Law was still active.

That is a fact.

The Law is why we physically die.

The spirit man is saved.

The carnal man never was, nor will be.
 

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It is impossible to be saved prior to having one's sins remitted per water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ as seen in Acts 2:38.

The Spirit's purpose is to lead one to the remission of sins and not to remit sins.

The spoken name of Jesus in the right hands is used by GOD(through a man) to save and heal.
Then read about the gentile converts at the house of cornelious . They believed and spoke with tongues ,
THEN peter said , OKAY do we have WATER here that these might be baptized . Acts chapter ten . read it real slowly.
They actually recieved the Holy Ghost and spoke with tongues , THEN peter says time for water baptism . Just read it .
Be encouraged .
 

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Then read about the gentile converts at the house of cornelious . They believed and spoke with tongues ,
THEN peter said , OKAY do we have WATER here that these might be baptized . Acts chapter ten . read it real slowly.
They actually recieved the Holy Ghost and spoke with tongues , THEN peter says time for water baptism . Just read it .
Be encouraged .
They were buried alive?
 

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They were buried alive?
You must be misunderstanding something my friend .
I was simply showing that the Holy Spirit can come upon one and they can speak with the tongues ,
Even before they were water baptized . THEY did BELIEVE . But do notice that peter took every word of Jesus serious .
That is why even after they had recieved the baptism of the Holy Ghost , HE still says is there any water here that these may be baptized .
They actually followed JESUS instruction .
 

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Paul said the Law was still active.

That is a fact.

The Law is why we physically die.

The spirit man is saved.

The carnal man never was, nor will be.

The eternal laws of God are, but they are different that the Ten Commandments of Romans 7. When the 10C were all we had, we had to keep them with a carnal nature that was in opposition to them. That was the Old Covenant. Here is the difference in the New Covenant:

The old sin nature is dead, Romans 6:2 and 6.
We are reborn with a new nature that has the laws of God imprinted on our hearts to make them part of our nature.
Jesus sent His Spirit to indwell us, empowering us to keep the righteous requirements of the law NATURALLY.
 

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I was quoting chapter 8.

Yes, but you were not realizing that Chapter 8 makes chapter 7 null and void.
Chapter 7 - Old Covenant - LAW/ by flesh. Romans 7:13
Chapter 8 - New Covenant - SPIRIT/Jesus/ by not in flesh. Romans 8:9

You cannot put new wine into old wine skins, but that is what you are trying to do. You are not recognizing the POWER of the Spirit to take away sin out of our nature. You have been taught that you still have your old nature, the most common of all false doctrines of demons. Study those other verses. We must be born again, and not just know who Jesus is, but ask Him to come inside us.
 
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The eternal laws of God are, but they are different that the Ten Commandments of Romans 7. When the 10C were all we had, we had to keep them with a carnal nature that was in opposition to them. That was the Old Covenant. Here is the difference in the New Covenant:

The old sin nature is dead, Romans 6:2 and 6.
We are reborn with a new nature that has the laws of God imprinted on our hearts to make them part of our nature.
Jesus sent His Spirit to indwell us, empowering us to keep the righteous requirements of the law NATURALLY.
Read also hebrews chapter eight and ten . Paul quoated right from the holy scrips about HOW God writes the laws into our hearts and our minds .
We simply follow the Spirit . And this is what the grace that brings salvation teaches us , titus chapter two , For the grace of GOD
that brings salvation has appeared to all , TEACHING us to deny ungodliness , wordly lusts , to be walking soberly righteously and godly
in this present world . And john says if we say we abide in Him , HE in us , THEN we walk LIKE HE DID .
Grace in no way is a license to sin , IT teaches us NOT TOO . WE walk by the SPIRIT , new creatures . SING IT SISTER .
And if any does sin , IF we confess it , HE is faithful and just to forgive us . But as paul and john both said and james too
SIN NOT . let it not once be named . WE must look out for one another . For leaven is deadly and it will infect the entire lump .
IF folks err and wont repent , you seperate from them believers TILL they do . WE must keep the pattern JUST like
it was given to us in that bible . Every word of truth IS to be LOVED . Let us be hearers and doers of the word
and not hearers only , or we decieve ourselves . Now leap up and praise the KING sister . Yep .
 
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Read also hebrews chapter eight and ten . Paul quoated right from the holy scrips about HOW God writes the laws into our hearts and our minds .
We simply follow the Spirit . And this is what the grace that brings salvation teaches us , titus chapter two , For the grace of GOD
that brings salvation has appeared to all , TEACHING us to deny ungodliness , wordly lusts , to be walking soberly righteously and godly
in this present world . And john says if we say we abide in Him , HE in us , THEN we walk LIKE HE DID .
Grace in no way is a license to sin , IT teaches us NOT TOO . WE walk by the SPIRIT , new creatures . SING IT SISTER .
And if any does sin , IF we confess it , HE is faithful and just to forgive us . But as paul and john both said and james too
SIN NOT . let it not once be named . WE must look out for one another . For leaven is deadly and it will infect the entire lump .
IF folks err and wont repent , you seperate from them believers TILL they do . WE must keep the pattern JUST like
it was given to us in that bible . Every word of truth IS to be LOVED . Let us be hearers and doers of the word
and not hearers only , or we decieve ourselves . Now leap up and praise the KING sister . Yep .

Yes. I was trying to teach that Romans chapters 1 through 8 is ONE TEACHING. It is the contrast of the Law vs. the Spirit/ the Old Covenant vs. the New Covenant. There are many that are taught that because Paul sinned in Romans 7, that Christians will always sin. That is false, but some can't see past present tense. They should look at Romans 7:9 when Moses received the law in the first place. That is Paul showing himself in present tense also. Was Paul over 1300 years old, seeing as that verse depicts him as not only being there when Moses received the Law, but BEFORE!
 

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No, Romans 7 is during Paul's life in Christ...."oh wretched man that I am...." present tense. etc.

Paul was simply saying we have inner opposition.

The human spirit that is connected to Christ is saved from death but the carnal man is not.

Romans 7 details this.....


14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.



...present tense.
Paul was simply describing the commonality of those trying to keep the law, whether it be the mosaic law or the inner law of trying to please Jesus.... through self effort.

How do we know that this was not Paul's testimony as an apostle? We simply read on into Romans 8. In Romans 7, Paul says that the law, which is the strength of sin's power against us, loses its authority over us as long as we live.

This is why Romans 6 is so critical and why Paul was telling us the importance of reckoning ourselves dead, believing we no longer are that old natured man. Why? Because if we.... our old nature.... actually did die when Christ died, then sin, whose strength is the law, is stripped of its power to cause us to sin.

Paul's testimony did not end up in Romans 7 but Romans 8. He cried out for the deliverer to deliver him and He did! Thus, in Romans 8 Paul clearly tells us that we are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit as men with new natures, and owe the flesh NOTHING! Glory!

If one finds themselves still trapped by sin in Romans 7, God still accepts such a one IF they are found like Paul crying out for the free indeed Jesus most clearly promised us. This is the important step in our growth..... coning to the point we HATE our old nature for only then are we ready to do the one thing we are asked to do..... look away from ourselves, our strength, our weakness, our ANYTHING, and believe what actually happened with Christ's death, burial and resurrection.

We cannot 'die to self'. But we can die to our trying to die to self, lol.

I pray this blesses you.

Gids
 

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And those who believe in baptismal regenration neglect this verse which shows what Baptism:

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

or this:

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

It is teh Spirit Baptism that ushers into teh new life (salvation) not being immersed in water.

If Baptism is the normal way to save us- then you conclude that Pau was in opposition to Jesus.

Romans 10:9-10
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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 1:16
King James Version

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 1:16
King James Version

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

1 Corinthians 1:13-18
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13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Ephesians 2:8-10
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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

And Peter is in opposition to Jesus as well.

1 Peter 3:21
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21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Sorry, water baptism is essential for a believer, but not for san unbeliever to become a believer! Spirit Baptism is the baptism that is essential for an unbeliever to become a believer!

Water Baptism is a public declaration of the inward reality and commitment that has taken place already!

Believe and be saved then be baptized.

You see you are still avoiding the very words of Jesus
Jesus said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mk 16:16)
Belief + baptism = salvation

Jesus didn't say believe and be saved and then get baptised.
Where does scripture say "Water Baptism is a public declaration of the inward reality and commitment that has taken place already"?
Answer - it doesn't

Jesus said: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
Baptism is the normal way of salvation that Jesus gave us.

People who don't believe in baptismal regeneration always try and avoid this text juist as you have done.
 

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I've heard Cessationists say "wrong spirit," even "demonic." I actually hear what you are saying, but are you a Cessationist?
So in your view of today's Word of Faith, do not think for a moment that everyone who has the gifts of the Spirit apply them in the same "spirit."

No I am not a cessationist, nor do I think that gifts of the spirit are not of God.
So you've heard cessationists use words like wrong spirit. What about all the false signs and wonders that are spreading in the world like wildfire like scriptural prophecy said it would? All the false teaching and false prophets? All the cults? What about all of those things?
 

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You know that scripture where God's people were "healed only slightly, saying peace, peace, when there is no peace"?

That right there. We have living water... in measure. We need the tsunami, but until we tell God our need, and cry out to Him as Paul did to be delivered from ourselves, our old carnal nature, we will continue on, unaware at how much more our God has for us..... and that we will soon need it to keep our heads above the flood of evil about to be released.

God tells us that godliness with contentment is great gain. But contentment without godliness not even being our bucket list is great deception.

blessings.

Gids

Gideon, a lot of what you say we need, like striving in the faith, and not being lukewarm. However, the answer is not attaining power. that is a dangerous place to go.
Wanting more than things like the word, prayer, and fellowship can be a lust for things that aren't of God, like weilding power that is of another spirit.
 

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No I am not a cessationist, nor do I think that gifts of the spirit are not of God.
So you've heard cessationists use words like wrong spirit. What about all the false signs and wonders that are spreading in the world like wildfire like scriptural prophecy said it would? All the false teaching and false prophets? All the cults? What about all of those things?

You may get out more than I do. LOL I don't know what you are talking about. I just know the miracles I've seen and the healings and 100% answered prayers. What miracle or signs or wonders have you seen that are false? Scripturally, you have to look at the person, to see if they are of God. If you throw out everything supernatural that God does through His people, you may be blaspheming God, so I hope you can tell the difference.
 

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Gideon, a lot of what you say we need, like striving in the faith, and not being lukewarm. However, the answer is not attaining power. that is a dangerous place to go.
Wanting more than things like the word, prayer, and fellowship can be a lust for things that aren't of God, like weilding power that is of another spirit.

Not power? The Grace of God IS power. It is not unmerited favor as has been erroneously taught for hundreds of years. The power of God is what makes us born again into new creatures. Actually, we have the same body, but not the same nature. It has been changed to partake of the divine nature of God, so that we do not sin. That is not a dangerous power, but a life-giving power unto eternal life.
 

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You may get out more than I do. LOL I don't know what you are talking about. I just know the miracles I've seen and the healings and 100% answered prayers. What miracle or signs or wonders have you seen that are false? Scripturally, you have to look at the person, to see if they are of God. If you throw out everything supernatural that God does through His people, you may be blaspheming God, so I hope you can tell the difference.

Accusations of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is a false signs and wonders decieved persons go to rebuttal.
It is quite obvious what manifestations aren't of God except if someone lusts for power and decieves themselves.
If you operate supernaturally and it's not of God then you could be walking in deception and doing the devils work so I hope you can tell the difference.