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No, I didn't make it up, lol. It says it right here....

1 Corinthians 5:5
5hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.


Paul taught me.


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Nonsense.
Paul would never contradict the Grace of God, as you do.
Paul woud never, and has never confused works with the Gospel, as you do.
Paul said that people who are Galatians 1:8, (you) will teach against the Grace of God and try to prove that Salvation is not a gift, but its a self effort to try to possess and maintain.

And understand something...... "Spirits" are not saved. Humans are...

THe verse says...."All that call on the name of the Lord shall be saved'.

It does not say...>"all Spirits that call on the Lord"....as you are trying to prove by misunderstanding and then TWISTING your verse.

And understand something else....>"the day of the Lord", happens on EARTH.....and the Lost, are Judged in Heaven at the Great White Throne Judgment.

So, the reason you are confused, is because you can't yet compare scripture with scripture,... so, when you read a verse, you don't discern it objectively through the eyes of Spiritual Understanding, as you can't do this yet.......so, you only take a verse at face value, and that is not how you ""rightly divide"" a verse..

See, any heretic can take a verse, and say..>"see there".....
But that is not how you discern the word of God.....so, when you read a verse that seems to contradict 150 other verses, and you dont realize this....then what you have done, is created a pretext, that is pretending to be the meaning.
Dont do that.
 

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What matters is that you are believing in Christ when he comes back. It doesn't matter if you can lose it or not. What matters is that you are believing when Christ comes back or you're going to go to the lake of fire

The more you write, the worse it gets.

Listen, we are not saved by Believing...... We are saved by GOD, THROUGH Faith.

See, you are owned by the heretics typical confusion.
You think you are "saved by faith".
There is another one of your type on this Forum....."Justbyfaith", and he has this same theological defect in his mental theology.

So., let me show you how to see Salvation correctly, and maybe you can then help your Pastor, Minister, or Pope, understand it also..

Listen up.

We are not saved BY Faith.
We are saved BY GOD....."through faith".

THROUGH IT.......not BY it.

God sees faith, in a person's heart, who is Trusting in Christ, and God accepts that Faith to then SAVE THEM with the Blood Of Jesus that redeems them, and they are "made righteous".

Now learn that, if you really want to begin to understand the NT.
As until you do, .....until you live here....... Hebrews 13:9..... you'll just sound like one more arrogant theological error ranting away.
 

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Paul said that people who are Galatians 1:8, (you) will teach against the Grace of God and try to prove that Salvation is not a gift, but its a self effort to try to possess and maintain.
Faith is how you appropriate the free gift. People who live in willful, blatant, flagrant, purposeful sin show by their lives that they have rejected the faith through which the free gift is received. So they don't have the free gift. There's nothing about works earning salvation in what I just said. Faith is what is required in order to be saved when Jesus comes back. Willful unrepentant sin is unbelief. Unbelievers, if they don't repent, don't get to go into the kingdom and be saved when Jesus comes back. Like the sinner in the church at Corinth, you have to stop sinning in your unbelief in order to be saved on the Day of the Lord. That has nothing to do with works earning salvation. It has everything to do with works being the sign that you are believing in Christ and are not in unbelief.
 
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And understand something...... "Spirits" are not saved. Humans are...

THe verse says...."All that call on the name of the Lord shall be saved'.

It does not say...>"all Spirits that call on the Lord"....as you are trying to prove by misunderstanding and then TWISTING your verse.
Lol, anything to make the passage not mean what it says, right? The fact that Paul refers to the spirit of a man in salvation shows us this is about spiritual salvation, not the temporal saving of the body in this life, etc. as is commonly used to dismiss verses about salvation (i.e. James 2:14).
 

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And understand something else....>"the day of the Lord", happens on EARTH.....and the Lost, are Judged in Heaven at the Great White Throne Judgment.

So, the reason you are confused, is because you can't yet compare scripture with scripture,... so, when you read a verse, you don't discern it objectively through the eyes of Spiritual Understanding, as you can't do this yet.......so, you only take a verse at face value, and that is not how you ""rightly divide"" a verse..
Here, let me help you....

Matthew 25:31-46
31When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

As we see it's you who are not rightly dividing the word of God. Your teaching is not rightly divided out from the whole counsel of God. As we can see from the description of the judgment of all the nations, if a person does not have the evidence of faith in God on the Day Jesus comes back he will be judged by Jesus as an unbeliever and will be cast into the lake of fire. The person who claims they are saved yet lives in blatant, unrepentant sin is showing by their life of unrighteousness that they have rejected faith in and love for Jesus and so they will be cast into the fire. This has nothing to do with works somehow earning salvation. It has everything to do with works of righteousness being the evidence that one has faith in and loves Jesus. Read the passage.
 

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See, any heretic can take a verse, and say..>"see there".....
But that is not how you discern the word of God.....so, when you read a verse that seems to contradict 150 other verses, and you dont realize this....then what you have done, is created a pretext, that is pretending to be the meaning.
Dont do that.
You are the one who is contradicting plain scripture. The Bible is very clear that you can not live in willful, unrepentant sin and be saved when Jesus comes back. Willful, unrepentant sin is the sign of the person who has rejected the grace of God (1 John 3:9). The person who dies in their rebellion against the grace of God will not be saved when Jesus returns. Instead, they will go to the lake of fire. Your teaching denies this plain teaching of the Bible.
 
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Listen, we are not saved by Believing...... We are saved by GOD, THROUGH Faith.
You're missing the point. You can't be saved without faith. Living in willful, purposeful sin is UNBELIEF. The person who is in the unbelief of their sinning will not be saved when Jesus comes back. He shows by his life of unrepentant sin that he has rejected the grace of God for salvation.

1 John 3:9-10
9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child
 

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Faith is how you appropriate the free gift. People who live in willful, blatant, flagrant, purposeful sin show by their lives that they have rejected the faith

You are substituting lifestyle, or self effort, in place of Faith.
What you will note, if you deal with religious people, is that they always confuse Faith that God accepts, with their idea of self effort as what God accepts.
But God does not accepts your self effort as faith.
He accepts your Heart Belief, your Trust in Christ, that is an internal trust, to then save you.
Its "Grace through Faith", not Grace through trying to be good.
God never accepts a person's lifestyle, as "all have sinned and fallen short".
That means you, that means all of us.
So, God provided Himself, in a human Body, as the Blood and Death Sacrifice that He only accepts on our behalf and= in our place.
No works or lifestyle or holding unto your faith or enduring to the end, need apply to the Throne of God, as God will reject it, always.
 
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Lol, anything to make the passage not mean what it says, right? The fact that Paul refers to the spirit of a man in salvation shows us this is about spiritual salvation, not the temporal saving of the body in this life, etc. as is commonly used to dismiss verses about salvation (i.e. James 2:14).

Salvation does not save your body, as your body is not the real you, neither before or after God redeems you.
But you, as the "new creation" in Christ, once born again, on earth, have "passed from death to life", here....and there is no judgement for your "spirit" subsequent to your death.
 
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Here, let me help you....

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


Jesus will never tell anyone who is born again to "depart"
And why?
Let me show you.

"depart from ME.........as i never KNEW YOU"..

So, a heretic will teach that this is speaking to a born again Christian.
But this can't be true, because, ... A Christian has become a "Son", and God and Christ and the Holy Spirit live inside ALL the born again.
"temple of the Holy Spirit".
We the born again, are God's BODY...."the BODY of Christ".
God is IN US.
Understand?
So, it would be impossible, for Christ, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, to live inside a born again "new Creation" "In Christ", and them not know us.

Now a heretic can't understand this.....but i assure you that if you are "ONE" with God and Christ, (born again)...= both Father God and Jesus The Christ= know you.
So, your verse, that says..>"depart," because Jesus never KNEW YOU, can't be referring to the born again, as its impossible to be "ONE" with God and 'IN Christ" and Jesus not be aware of it, .... He can't possibly be IN YOU, "Christ IN YOU, the hope of Glory" and it be a mystery to Him.
Understand?
So, whatever heretic's commentary you are lost inside of, or whatever heretic's denomination you are trusting...has deceived you, and you need to get away from it, asap.
 
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You are the one who is contradicting plain scripture. The Bible is very clear that you can not live in willful, unrepentant sin and be saved

What you are describing is a person is who trying not to live in willful sin, to try to keep themselves saved.
You are describing this......>"as long as i dont willfully sin, i keep myself saved".
So, that is the Gospel of works, and it's absolutely not related to the Grace of God, that has forgiven all sin, and imparted the righteousness of God unto and into a person's "new creation in Christ" as = " The Gift of Righteousness"
So, the Devil's Gospel is the one you are preaching.

"im keeping myself saved, by not willfully sinning". And that that Gospel, is Galatians 1:8
 
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[/QUOTE. "Ferris Bueller, post: 900411, member: 9156"]You're missing the point. You can't be saved without faith. Living in willful, purposeful sin is UNBELIEF.
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Keep reading.
 

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You're missing the point. You can't be saved without faith. Living in willful, purposeful sin is UNBELIEF.

Typical of the self righteous self saver, you are teaching that Faith is your savior, and if you hold unto it, and never let it go, then it will get you into heaven, as long as you keep trusting IN your faith.

Well, faith is not anyone's savior.
All faith does, is meet God's requirement that causes Him to SAVE YOU, with the Blood Atonement.
So, its not faith, that saves.......Its God who saves, after you give Him, ONE TIME, your Faith, and you are born again ONE TIME, BECAUSE God accepted your FAITH, = ONCE.

The proof that God accepts someone's Faith >ONCE< = to then SAVE THEM, is that He imparts the NEW BIRTH into them, by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Typical of the self righteous self saver, you are teaching that Faith is your savior, and if you hold unto it, and never let it go, then it will get you into heaven, as long as you keep trusting IN your faith.
Well, faith is not anyone's savior.
All faith does, is meet God's requirement that causes Him to SAVE YOU, with the Blood Atonement.
So, its not faith, that saves....
Faith is simply the conduit through which one receives God's forgiveness and his righteousness. Don't make an argument where one is not being made.

...Its God who saves, after you give Him, ONE TIME, your Faith, and you are born again ONE TIME, BECAUSE God accepted your FAITH, = ONCE.

The proof that God accepts someone's Faith >ONCE< = to then SAVE THEM, is that He imparts the NEW BIRTH into them, by the Holy Spirit.
I'm not making an assertion one way or the other for once saved always saved. But since you are, what you have to do is explain why the sinning saint at Corinth HAD to be turned over to satan to be saved when Jesus comes back if it's true that you have faith one time and are always saved through that faith even if you reject Christ later and go back to willfully sinning in unbelief.
 

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You are the one who is contradicting plain scripture. The Bible is very clear that you can not live in willful, unrepentant sin and be saved when Jesus comes back. Willful, unrepentant sin is the sign of the person who has rejected the grace of God (1 John 3:9). The person who dies in their rebellion against the grace of God will not be saved when Jesus returns. Instead, they will go to the lake of fire. Your teaching denies this plain teaching of the Bible.

So then are you saved when you don't sin, and not saved when you do? Or the one who sins just isn't ever saved?

What do you mean when you say, willful, unrepentant sin? Is there a different kind?

Is your state of behavior the determining fact of your salvation, or justification?

Much love!
 

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Here is the thing, Reader.... there is no ending being born again.

You can never stop it. You can't end God's BIRTH, inside a Believer's Spirit.
Legalist will hair-lip hell and rant hell bent for leather trying to prove that you can go to hell while being born again.
This proves that God's Salvation does not keep some people from being total fools, unable to let go of their self righteousness.

The Devil's lie, one of them, is that you can stop being Born again... (lose your salvation)
Millions of believers are conned and spiritually darkened inside, because they have been deceived by the Father of Lies.

Here is the reality...
Our sin is on Christ, and He died, and its Gone.
We are no longer under the same spiritual dominion, that USE TO factually declare our sin as "sin".
If you want that one, then go back into the Old Testament and DIE THERE, as that is where the Law had dominion.
The NEW Testament, has resolved this "dominion of the Law", deathtrap.
Now, we are delivered from the LAW, and INTO GRACE.
THis Grace, is our new Dominion. Its new rules, its new titles.

Under the law we were a sinner.
Under Grace we are a Saint and a SON.
Under the Law we were DAMNED.
Under Grace we are a "new Creation", "ONE" With God, and HAVE NOW ETERNAL LIFE.

Paul RE-DEFINES what use to be known under the law as SIN<= as "works of the Flesh".

Why? because our FLESH is our DEAD old Adamic MAN, that our New Creation Born again SPIRIT< is STUCK inside, till we get a New Body.
So, our old man, was dealt with on the Cross.
WE are NOT the Old Man any longer, we are "new creations IN CHRIST">
We are IN HIM.
INSIDE HIM and GOD, Spiritually, Born again INTO GOD's SPIRIT.... and they= are IN our "born again" "new Creation". (inside us).

So, that is were we exist now, and that place is "incorruptible" and is not affected by what deeds we do, that are carnally committed.
We are IN The Kingdom of God....Spiritually Born again INTO IT< and there is no SIN THERE....and that is where we EXIST.

Roman's 4:8 does not say you wont sin, it says that what use to be sin, is no longer charged to you, when you do it.
Why not?
Because GOD's Son, has been KILLED for them ALL.

That is God's Grace. Its our Redemption...... Its GOD's GIFT to us, = Salvation.

And why does this reality NOT CAUSE you to sin more? While if you think you are a sinner, you WILL sin more.

Well, that is Spiritual Reality, and it does not PLAY WELL inside a self righteous's person's Carnal Mind.
The carnal minded self righteous Legalist, hears that their sin is gone, Judgement is gone, and they think...."oh, that can't be right, as that will cause a person to SIN MORE".
And this Devil's FOOL, is the one that is sinning and confessing and repenting, found writing Threads about OSAS.... who can't believe that the Grace of God, when understood correctly, is not A LICENSE TO SIN......ITS THE POWER TO STOP SINNING.
But until you come into RIGHT BELIEVING about this, and get this REVELATION.....the self righteous will ALL continue to sin, confess, repent, and not be able to stop, while continuing to rant like professional ranters, about "osas".
Jesus says, "Come, follow me.":)
 
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The person who is in the unbelief of their sinning will not be saved when Jesus comes back. He shows by his life of unrepentant sin that he has rejected the grace of God for salvation.
Timing is everything, eh?

How do you define sin?

Much love!
 

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So then are you saved when you don't sin, and not saved when you do?
If your sinning is the sinning John is talking about here then you are not saved....

1 John 3:8
8The one who does what is sinful is of the devil

Or the one who sins just isn't ever saved?
If you mean the sinning that John is talking about in 1 John 3:8 he makes it clear that person is not saved.

What do you mean when you say, willful, unrepentant sin? Is there a different kind?
Willful, unrepentant sin is purposely sinning just because you want to without struggle and without thought to the grace of God you may or may not have received. That's in contrast to the sinning of the genuine saint determined to live for Christ by the Spirit but who unwillingly falls into sin because of weakness, ignorance, or fear.

Is your state of behavior the determining fact of your salvation, or justification?
You do not make yourself saved by how you act. You show if you are saved or not by how you act.

1 John 3:10
10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child

Your behavior doesn't secure salvation. It simply reveals if you have the change of life that comes from being born again/recreated by the Spirit of God or not. The old unchanged life of willful, unrepentant sin is the sign of the person who does not have the grace of God in salvation. Whether or not he ever had it is a meaningless argument since either way he's going to hell anyway because of his unbelief.
 
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Timing is everything, eh?
I don't know what you're getting at. Are you making reference to the fact that you have to be believing in Christ when he returns in order to be saved when he returns?

How do you define sin?
Sin is disobedience to the commands of God. Paul gives some very lengthy passages of scripture detailing what obedience to God specifically looks like.
 

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If your sinning is the sinning John is talking about here then you are not saved....

1 John 3:8
8The one who does what is sinful is of the devil


If you mean the sinning that John is talking about in 1 John 3:8 he makes it clear that person is not saved.


Willful, unrepentant sin is purposely sinning just because you want to without struggle and without thought to the grace of God you may or may not have received. That's in contrast to the sinning of the genuine saint determined to live for Christ by the Spirit but who unwillingly falls into sin because of weakness, ignorance, or fear.


You do not make yourself saved by how you act. You show if you are saved or not by how you act.

1 John 3:10
10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child

Your behavior doesn't secure salvation. It simply reveals if you have the change of life that comes from being born again/recreated by the Spirit of God or not. The old unchanged life of willful, unrepentant sin is the sign of the person who does not have the grace of God in salvation. Whether or not he ever had it is a meaningless argument since either way he's going to hell anyway because of his unbelief.

Ok, so basically you are talking about the true Christian, and the nominal Christian?