What Does Blasphemy of The Holy Spirit Actually Mean?

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justbyfaith

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Tell me then justbyfaith what does John 1:1 mean to you then. When it says at verse 1 of John chapter 1, in the beginning was the Word, do you believe that means, "in the beginning was The Only Begotten Son of God?" Then when it says, and the Word was with God, do you believe that means, "and the Only Begotten Son of God was with God?" Then when it says, and the Word was God, do you believe that means, "and the The Only Begotten Son of God was a god?"
Here is my take on John 1:1...

"In the beginning was the Word; and the Word was with the Father; and the Word was the Father."

I see it this way because of an algebraic substitution for God as "the Father" because of 1 Corinthians 8:6.
 

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Are you really saying we can come to Christ and ignore all he tells us we must do in order to get to heaven?

I can't think of a single thing that I have to do to get to Heaven. However, I know what Christ has to do . . . to save me. Thank God it isn't up to me to become completely Transformed! Thank God that He doesn't Justify me by any worldly act that I might dream up and perform. Grace. The Grace of God is Powerful . . . it is quite Literally a Powerful experience to have received His Holy and Amazing Grace.
 
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You really are oblivios to what "comes to me" includes? Are you really saying we can come to christ and ignore all he tells us we must do in order to get to heaven?

Coming to Christ entails so much more than the simple minded "Just say I have faith" but if you all want to teach a dumed down, more soothing, untrue, version of "coming to Christ" where you dont have to do as he commands, that's up to you, but hope you are ready for the consequences.
If anyone seeks Christ, his kingdom, and His righteousness (see Matthew 6:33) they are coming to Christ. And He will not in any wise cast them out (John 6:37).

I agree that the end result of coming to Christ will be personal holiness. No one is disputing that.
 

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Here is my take on John 1:1...

"In the beginning was the Word; and the Word was with the Father; and the Word was the Father."

I see it this way because of an algebraic substitution for God as "the Father" because of 1 Corinthians 8:6.

Well if you believe the Word was the Father, what does John 1:14 mean to you when it says the Word was made flesh?
 

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Paul, if you are asking where the scripture says he will draw you, check Jeremiah 31:3
If that's not what your asking, please be specific...thanks mate!
My question concerned your last sentence where you said that preferring the values of men rather than God was blasphemy against the Spirit. That was the bit I can't see in the Scriptures anywhere. When Jesus spoke about it, He said it was speaking against the Holy Spirit.

I felt the need, in this respect, to have a bit of prod at the Cessationists who accuse those who speak in tongues of being influenced by the devil. In the instances where the gift is authentic, these Cessationists are treading on very dangerous spiritual ground by saying that the tongues speakers are in some way demon possessed. "Speaking in tongues is of the devil" is exactly the blasphemy against the Spirit that Jesus challenged the Pharisees with when they said, "He casts out devils through the power of the devil".
 

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Thank God it isn't up to me to become completely Transformed!

You have a part in it...you must become willing for Him to perform the work of sanctifying you.

Well if you believe the Word was the Father, what does John 1:14 mean to you when it says the Word was made flesh?

It means to me that Jesus is God.
 

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If anyone seeks Christ, his kingdom, and His righteousness (see Matthew 6:33) they are coming to Christ. And He will not in any wise cast them out (John 6:37).

I agree that the end result of coming to Christ will be personal holiness. No one is disputing that.

The way your posts are worded you are saying doing good is not a necessity, and that you go to heaven no matter what by merely saying you come to christ, or claiming faith with no good works to show it.
 
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Then you are saying, you don't actually have to do good, in order to get to heaven?
Of course not. All you have to do is believe that Christ died for you, was buried, and rose again from the dead three days later; and keep that in memory.

However, people who do not have this knowledge in their heart, but only in their head, may end up forgetting this most essential understanding if they were to come down with Alzheimer's or some other such ailment.

But I know of grandmothers who have forgotten the name of their only son; but if you mention the name of Jesus they will perk up and they know who you are talking about.

It is a matter of whether it is only in the head or whether it is in the heart. Some people are really only ten inches away from salvation.

If your faith is in your heart, it is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10; 1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).
 
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However, people who do not have this knowledge in their heart, but only in their head, may end up forgetting this most essential understanding if they were to come down with Alzheimer's.

They need to get it into thet head, as that is what the bible is all about.

People, do your good works or else, and don't listen to those who say you can stop acting as Christ says we must and still get to heaven.
 

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They need to get it into thet head, as that is what the bible is all about.

People, do your good works or else, and don't listen to those who say you can stop acting as Christ says we must and still get to heaven.
Friend, we are not saved by our works; we are saved unto good works.

You will not be regenerated / renewed / born again by giving $5 to the poor, or even $5,000,000.

That can only come about through faith in Jesus Christ.

If you have been regenerated and renewed and born again, good works will follow, no doubt about it.

But no amount of good works is going to avail in saving you as a lost sinner.
 

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It means to me that Jesus is God.

You said at post #75 that you believe the Word to be, "The Only Begotten Son of God," right? Then I asked you what John 1:14 means to you and you said, "It means to me that Jesus is God." If you believe as you said that the Word is, " The Only Begotten Son of God and it saids at John 1:14 the Word was made flesh, doesn't that mean it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh not God?
 

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My question concerned your last sentence where you said that preferring the values of men rather than God was blasphemy against the Spirit. That was the bit I can't see in the Scriptures anywhere. When Jesus spoke about it, He said it was speaking against the Holy Spirit.

I felt the need, in this respect, to have a bit of prod at the Cessationists who accuse those who speak in tongues of being influenced by the devil. In the instances where the gift is authentic, these Cessationists are treading on very dangerous spiritual ground by saying that the tongues speakers are in some way demon possessed. "Speaking in tongues is of the devil" is exactly the blasphemy against the Spirit that Jesus challenged the Pharisees with when they said, "He casts out devils through the power of the devil".
There is lots of yada yada about many things. It's one of the tactics of the enemy to snow the authentic with a profusion of words and never ending debate. This spirit surfaces here on this forum no differently than elsewhere.

The lesson....firstly to recognise it and secondly to keep distance from it.
 

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You said at post #75 that you believe the Word to be, "The Only Begotten Son of God," right?

Is that what I said in post #75 (What Does Blasphemy of The Holy Spirit Actually Mean?)?

Then I asked you what John 1:14 means to you and you said, "It means to me that Jesus is God." If you believe as you said that the Word is, " The Only Begotten Son of God and it saids at John 1:14 the Word was made flesh, doesn't that mean it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh not God?

The Father became the Son when He took on an added nature of human flesh; without leaving His Omnipresent state of dwelling in eternity.

Because anyone who dwells in eternity by nature, dwells in eternity for ever. So, in descending to tabernacle in human flesh, He did not cease to dwell in eternity: He left behind an imprint of Himself which in all reality was not merely an imprint but was in all reality the Person of the Father.
 

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Are you saying we are not justified by works, but by faith alone.
Of course that is what I am saying.

See Ephesians 2:8-9;

Romans 4:1-8 (Romans 4:5-6);

Titus 3:4-7 (Titus 3:5);

Romans 11:5-6.

The verses in James that speak of being justified by works are speaking of being justified ("declared righteous") before men (take a good look at Romans 4:2).
 

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Are you saying we are not justified by works, but by faith alone.

Of course that is what I am saying.

The bible disagrees with you completely. Pay special attention the bold in the following scriipture, as it refutes your claim simply and absolutely.

James 2:14–26

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Faith Without Works Is Dead

"14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith rapart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even uthe demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also aRahab the prostitute justified by works bwhen she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead."
 

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You said at post #75 that you believe the Word to be, "The Only Begotten Son of God," now you're posting as though you didn't post that when you said, "Is that what I said in post #75 ?
Do you even know what you believe and if you do can you express it clearly?
 

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You have a part in it...you must become willing for Him to perform the work of sanctifying you.

Nah. A sober reading of the [entire] Bible makes it clear that it is the Circumcision of Christ, whether it was performed prior to His death, burial, and resurrection, or after. Salvation is entirely the Work of God, who is Christ. Below is one verse out of many similar verses.

Ezekiel 36:25-27 NLT - "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations."

Have fun with it. Eze 36 states the exact same thing as Eze 11 (above). :)
 
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Those who believe in the Trinity doctrine don't believe the Only Begotten Son of God is the Word that became human, therefore they're believing in a antichrist doctrine.. If you believe that the Only Begotten Son of God is the Word who became human then you don't believe in the Trinity doctrine.
Sorry, Barn, but I have no idea what you’re talking about, so I’ll just leave it at that. :)