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BarneyFife · Dec 16, 2020

quietthinker said:
The constant regurgitation of similar subjects.....the never ending amount of words made to describe the most basic of concepts ensures there is limited growth if any in understanding the deeper and richer aspects of Salvation.

Stuck is stuck and it behooves every individual to do the utmost to get out of this desponding spiral.

Well said, QT. I've always been a little leery of religious specialists. I'm a general practitioner, myself. I believe there's a time and a place for specialty, but if we don't have the basics down, it's all for naught.

BarneyFife · Dec 16, 2020

justbyfaith said:
I believe that the main teaching on how to deal with temptation is a type of reverse psychology that the Lord uses on us when we come to the knowledge of His grace in our lives.

The law has the effect of exacerbating temptation as a kind of "forbidden fruit" or "wet paint" principle.

When we are told not to do something, the flesh rises up within us and says, "I can do that if I want to".

But grace takes away the penalty of sin and so the law is no longer an element that presents to us "forbidden fruit"...because now there is no condemnation for them who are in Christ Jesus (John 5:24 (kjv))...and those who are in Christ do not walk after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:1 (kjv)).

So then, because there is no condemnation for us, the law now only behaves as a set of wisdom principles rather than a hard taskmaster that condemns us when we fail.

Therefore, the principle of the law, that it produces all manner of concupiscence (Romans 7:7-13) has been dealt with by the concept of grace.

The more we realize that we are not condemned if we violate the principle of the law, the more we find that temptation no longer has any sway in our lives.

But until we come to that understanding, it is also important that we resist temptation (see James 1:12-16, 1 Peter 1:6-7) and learn that the only way we can overcome sin in our lives is through the grace of God; which also enables us to resist temptation when we lose sight of the fact that we are covered by the grace of God. Because the devil then comes in and tells us that we are covered by the grace of God even if we sin...after that he has btought in the law to exacerbate sin...thus he turns grace into license.

So we must at the point that the law has come in, seek to resist the devil and he will flee from us. We must seek to come back to the understanding that we are covered by the grace of the Lord without falling back into the temptation of thinking that such grace is a license to sin...

It is a fine line that I still find sometimes that I do not know the way to escape. I find that it is necessary to never allow the law to come in and tempt me rather than attempt to deal with that temptation after the law has had its effect of making that sin appealing.

And the Lord has given me the victory over a short period of time. I find that it is wisdom to be on guard against temptation any time that I begin to think that I am standing and doing well (1 Corinthians 10:12-13).

A good word in all of this is to remember that if we take advantage of the grace of the Lord and sin; when we know that He has given us grace so that if we do sin, it will not be to our condemnation; that we are in effect insulting the Spirit of grace and taking grace for granted in our lives.

Therefore to sin willfully would be out of the question; while if we sin unintentionally or ignorantly, we find that the grace of the Lord is there and He will pick us up when we fall. For the righteous falls seven times and gets back up again; but the wicked fall into mischief--Proverbs 24:16.

Also, see Psalms 37:23-24; but consider also that in the New Testament we have it even better, in Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, and 1 john 2:10.

If I may presume, I think that @marks is merely trying to say that even good and true things can be overdone, and often are on these types of forums.

Nancy · Dec 16, 2020

Pearl said:
I speak from experience. And perhaps you missed the bit where I said: Even though we are saved/born again and washed clean we all need our feet washed from time to time.

Christians already know that they should not sin so preaching against it is perhaps a waste of breath but new Christians especially need to know how to deal with it when they do something wrong or have a bad attitude as they surely will. It's ok to preach against sin but you also need teaching on how to deal with sin in you walk with God. And this seems to be something that is often lacking in discipleship.

I've heard it said once that, Church is for believers, not unbelievers. Yes, Christians who are truly born again already know that living in sin is wrong...preaching to the choir??

Discipleship?? What's that??!! Haha. How correct this is! New Christians are flailing about in these Church's today. It is a very sad thing to watch the children of God wax cold in their love and concern for their brothers and sisters.
xo

Ronald Nolette · Dec 16, 2020

Michiah-Imla said:
No.

It is commanded by the holy scriptures.

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." (1 Corinthians 14:37)

"For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus." (1 Thessalonians 4:2)

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4)

And knowing that Satan is father of lies (John 8:44), he is the one that would have you rooted in no legalism.

It is obvious you know not the difference between walking in obedience and legalism.. They are vastly different.

farouk · Dec 16, 2020

Ronald Nolette said:
Well it happens the moment one accepts Christ as Savior.

It is the spirit that regenerates us and makes us new Creatures, and it is the Sprit that Baptizes us into the body of Christ!

@Roland Nolette So much is bound up indeed with the new birth in John chapter 3...

Triumph1300 · Dec 16, 2020

Ronald Nolette said:
It is obvious you know not the difference between walking in obedience and legalism..

Reading your misc. posts on this forum it occurs to me that you know a lot about people participating here.

Ronald Nolette · Dec 16, 2020

farouk said:
@Roland Nolette So much is bound up indeed with the new birth in John chapter 3...

I am truly sad at the number of believers here who do not realize the enormous change and transformation that takes place the moment we become children of god at the new birth/ being born again/ baptized in the spirit/ being saved. It is like a 10.0 earthquake on the Richter Scale.

farouk · Dec 16, 2020

Ronald Nolette said:
I am truly sad at the number of believers here who do not realize the enormous change and transformation that takes place the moment we become children of god at the new birth/ being born again/ baptized in the spirit/ being saved. It is like a 10.0 earthquake on the Richter Scale.

@Ronald Nolette A lot of ppl talk about extra experiences of the Spirit, but He indeed comes to indwell at the new birth; Romans 8.9 says: "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His'.

Ronald Nolette · Dec 16, 2020

Triumph1300 said:
Reading your misc. posts on this forum it occurs to me that you know a lot about people participating here.

I don't know about that, but after walking with the Lord for over 46 years now, one learns phrases and statements that undergird general attitudes of beliefs.

Ronald Nolette · Dec 16, 2020

farouk said:
@Ronald Nolette A lot of ppl talk about extra experiences of the Spirit, but He indeed comes to indwell at the new birth; Romans 8.9 says: "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His'.

History has taught me that what many call the Baptism in the Spirit is more of an emotional experience one had that was more powerful than others and consider the emotional woosh, the Spirit Baptism. The spirit enters at regeneration, in fact He causes the regeneration whether we have any feelings or not!

farouk · Dec 16, 2020

Ronald Nolette said:
History has taught me that what many call the Baptism in the Spirit is more of an emotional experience one had that was more powerful than others and consider the emotional woosh, the Spirit Baptism. The spirit enters at regeneration, in fact He causes the regeneration whether we have any feelings or not!

@Ronald Nolette Regeneration - like you say - is the key...

Michiah-Imla · Dec 16, 2020

Ronald Nolette said:
is obvious you know not the difference between walking in obedience and legalism.

There is no difference. They go hand in hand. To achieve obedience you must have something to be obedient to.... a law.

I don’t over complicate the simple things of scripture.

Legalism means to promote legal dealings (when did that become a bad thing to do?!). If I do what is illegal I go to jail. If I have a mind and desire to please God, then I observe the rules and follow them. If you love God, you keep his law.

That’s legalism.

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15)

And the chief lawman is the LORD!

farouk · Dec 16, 2020

Michiah-Imla said:
There is no difference. They go hand in hand. To achieve obedience you must have something to be obedient to.... a law.

I don’t over complicate the simple things of scripture.

Legalism means to promote legal dealings (when did that become a bad thing to do?!). If I do what is illegal I go to jail. If I have a mind and desire to please God, then I observe the rules and follow them. If you love God, you keep his law.

That’s legalism.

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15)

And the chief lawman is the LORD!

@Michiah-Imla Ephesians is all about the Gospel of the grace of God...

Triumph1300 · Dec 16, 2020

Ronald Nolette said:
I don't know about that, but after walking with the Lord for over 46 years now, one learns phrases and statements that undergird general attitudes of beliefs.

The only one who wants us to believe that we know more after 45 years and are better off is our enemy.

farouk · Dec 16, 2020

Triumph1300 said:
The only one who wants us to believe that we know more after 45 years and are better off is our enemy.

We can humbly raise our EBENEZERS, 1 Samuel 7.12...

marks · Dec 16, 2020

charity said:
'Which of you by taking thought
can add one cubit unto his stature?'
(Mat 6:27)

Hello @marks & Co.,

Given the means of proper nourishment and pure air, physical stature must increase unconsciously and without an effort. In fact it cannot be held back! (I have evidence of this when I see my youngest grandson (12yrs) towering over me, and still growing! ) By simply breathing in and out, and eating and drinking, the body grows and flourishes. So it is with spiritual growth and stature, isn't it?

Christ is our life, and the work of the Holy Spirit is to take of the things of Christ and minister them to us. We feed upon Christ as in eating and drinking (John 6:48-63), and our spiritual stature is added to without 'taking thought'.

As to sin, we are to:-

'Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,
that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:
but yield yourselves unto God,
as those that are alive from the dead,
and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
For sin shall not have dominion over you:
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.'
(Romans 6:11-14)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Very well put, I think!

We're either the plant struggling and straining to grow, or we are the plant that thrives in the sunshine!

Much love!

marks · Dec 16, 2020

DPMartin said:
well that's a good point we know that we are not worthy, but He is and if He is with you, then that is the worthiness. if the Lord tells you to live well and rejoice, your not worthy of that, but His Word is worthy to be fulfilled therefore only thanking the Lord is required acknowledging the fulfillment thereof shall come to pass.

the Father sees those who receive the Life of Christ through His Beloved Son. the rules are the same. those seen through Adam are condemned because they have Adam's life. those seen through Noah can find grace because they are seen through Noah and the life Noah had, those seen through Abraham Isaac and Jacob are by faith because they are seen through the life of Abraham the man of the faith. those born again in Christ Jesus are seen through Jesus Christ the Son of God. which is what all those before Christ who God had a relationship with were trusting God for, is to receive that same Life of Christ in the resurrection.

Yes indeed, we are instructed to rejoice and be thankful at all times. And that "rejoice", it means, be really really happy, over the top happy! So happy and thankful is the state of the heart that is trusting fully on the efficacy of Jesus' death and resurrection.

God of course knows, the only way any of us can be with Him is for Him to just give that to us. So let's just receive it!

We were descended from Adam, part of Adam's humanity. Now we are children of God, and part of Christ's new humanity. We were dead, now we are alive. We were condemned, now we are innocent. God doesn't even have to look at us through Jesus, because He recreated us righteous and holy.

God sees the flesh, the sinner, the son of Adam, but God also sees our new spirit, the saint, the son of God.

Much love!

marks · Dec 16, 2020

MattMooradian said:
Therefore, sin remains the primary issue for those who wish to emulate Christ.

Learning about Christ, and living in trust in Him is more my primary issue.

Question . . . can we trust God's ability to santify us? Are we supposed to sanctify ourselves?

Aside from the theological question, what does that look like in life?

On the one hand, I can be constantly self-examining my behavior to see if there is anything I disapprove of, and setting myself to fix that. I don't argue against that per se,

On the other hand, I can be constantly meditating on God's Word, praying to God, speaking with others about Him, and trusting that He will guide me through things He is changing in me.

Which is better?

Much love!

marks · Dec 16, 2020

Waiting on him said:
The op in my opinion asks why are we self centered and not Christ centered.

I think this hits the nail on the head also!

Much love!

marks · Dec 16, 2020

Helen said:
We so often wonder why the church is so weak...reason being ...they hold sin in front of them and Christ behind them...

That's what I finally began to learn!

Walking away from sin maintains my relationship with sin, OT style repentance, no "born again", no new life. Walking towards Christ is all about my relationship with Him, and just so happens to lead me away from sin.

Much love!

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