Time, what is it?

VictoryinJesus · Dec 17, 2020

@amadeus “and takes with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and swell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto the wicked generation.’ Matthew 12:45”

copy and pasted directly from text...how the typo got there ‘and they enter in and dwell there’ became ‘and they enter in and swell there’ ...do not know but ‘swell’ considering what pride does when it enters in ‘seven other spirits more wicked than himself’...maybe ‘and they enter in and swell there’ not leaving place for the Word of God to dwell...

amadeus · Dec 17, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
Curious what connection is there to ‘and takes with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and swell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto the wicked generation.’ Matthew 12:45

and “There are seven Spirits of God and Jesus has all of them. So also should not each person who is to be like Him to have all seven Spirits,”

Revelation 1:3-4 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. [4] John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Consider those seven Spirits here:

"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
And the [1] spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, [2] the spirit of wisdom and [3] understanding, the [4] spirit of counsel and [5] might, the [6] spirit of knowledge and of the [7] fear of the LORD;
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." Isaiah 11:1-4

He did not and does not judge with the eyes and ears of his flesh! Consider what Paul wrote here to see the result when we follow ourselves according to our own fleshly eyes and ears and spirit [rather than the Holy Spirit]:

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:16-21

But Paul writes on...

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance:... "Gal 5:22-23

We cannot be emptied by God and cleaned up by God as per the parable you @VictoryinJesus referenced and stay empty! Let us receive rather the seven Spirits and use them, walking in the Holy Spirit, will we not then have good fruit rather than evil fruit? The choice is always ours, God or mammon? Free will remains in each of us!

amadeus · Dec 17, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
@amadeus “and takes with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and swell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto the wicked generation.’ Matthew 12:45”

copy and pasted directly from text...how the typo got there ‘and they enter in and dwell there’ became ‘and they enter in and swell there’ ...do not know but ‘swell’ considering what pride does when it enters in ‘seven other spirits more wicked than himself’...maybe ‘and they enter in and swell there’ not leaving place for the Word of God to dwell...

Even in a 'typo' God can work His works! Where is God Not working?

VictoryinJesus · Dec 17, 2020

amadeus said:
Consider those seven Spirits here:

"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
And the [1] spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, [2] the spirit of wisdom and [3] understanding, the [4] spirit of counsel and [5] might, the [6] spirit of knowledge and of the [7] fear of the LORD;
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." Isaiah 11:1-4

He did not and does not judge with the eyes and ears of his flesh! Consider what Paul wrote here to see the result when we follow ourselves according to our own fleshly eyes and ears and spirit [rather than the Holy Spirit]:

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:16-21

But Paul writes on...

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance:... "Gal 5:22-23

We cannot be emptied by God and cleaned up by God as per the parable you @VictoryinJesus referenced and stay empty! Let us receive rather the seven Spirits and use them, walking in the Holy Spirit, will we not then have good fruit rather than evil fruit? The choice is always ours, God or mammon? Free will remains in each of us!

Amen! Thank you for reminding of
"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
And the [1] spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, [2] the spirit of wisdom and [3] understanding, the [4] spirit of counsel and [5] might, the [6] spirit of knowledge and of the [7] fear of the LORD;
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." Isaiah 11:1-4

We maybe disagree at free will...as you are aware. I still struggle there. It is the same with peace where the world and the things of it wants you to think there can be found peace in it, but it is deceiving. Same with free will...serving death, caught in a pit, walking in darkness where you stumble and know not what you stumble on, hold pen, shut up...free will is (only an opinion) but not something in possession to give (again an opinion) until ‘given power to become’ which is a gift of God ...yes, then can see your point being able to choose to be ‘a living sacrifice’.

as far as the parable of who then is a faithful servant ...doing when He comes from without where He suffered ‘Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.’ ...when he comes from the marriage of the Lamb where two become One and He knocks on the door...open it!? Consider the ‘doing’ of when you see a brother stands without and knocks ...who is knocking if not those without the Ark in the days of Noah when only a few souls were saved when the flood came?

Ziggy · Dec 17, 2020

I am very defensive of God's law. Not because I am Jewish or Gentile or anything other than me.

It is hard to talk and find the correct words of what I understand not being "under" the law means.
Jesus shows us in many places that while he was born "under" the law, the law had no power "over" him.

Jhn 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

So Jesus "enlightens them" according to the law:

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Jhn 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Jhn 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Jhn 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Jesus not only "kept" the law, he was "above" the law, in that it was God who created the law in the first place.

In the first place..

Even though he kept the law, and cited their own laws against them, they still saught to kill him.

Jhn 10:39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

So it is not the law that was seeking to kill him.. as some believe. It was those that believed that "they" were above God's law, that seeked to kill him.

I am a law fanatic. I believe in Law and Order.
If one keeps it you won't be in trouble, except by those who are either trying to remove it, or be above it.
If you walk IN it.. neither above not below.. not to the right nor to the left.. Strait and narrow..
Then you will be on a sure path. Because God said so.
And Jesus said so.

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

And I don't care what any MAN says.. I believe the Lord.

Hugs

Ziggy · Dec 17, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
Amen! Thank you for reminding of
"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
And the [1] spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, [2] the spirit of wisdom and [3] understanding, the [4] spirit of counsel and [5] might, the [6] spirit of knowledge and of the [7] fear of the LORD;
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." Isaiah 11:1-4

We maybe disagree at free will...as you are aware. I still struggle there. It is the same with peace where the world and the things of it wants you to think there can be found peace in it, but it is deceiving. Same with free will...serving death, caught in a pit, walking in darkness where you stumble and know not what you stumble on, hold pen, shut up...free will is (only an opinion) but not something in possession to give (again an opinion) until ‘given power to become’ which is a gift of God ...yes, then can see your point being able to choose to be ‘a living sacrifice’.

as far as the parable of who then is a faithful servant ...doing when He comes from without where He suffered ‘Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.’ ...when he comes from the marriage of the Lamb where two become One and He knocks on the door...open it!? Consider the ‘doing’ of when you see a brother stands without and knocks ...who is knocking if not those without the Ark in the days of Noah when only a few souls were saved when the flood came?

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

This is kind of tricky because Judas chose to betray Jesus. But I believe he was given a mission to do so.
So even if he wanted to do good, it would be bad, but doing the bad was actually good.
Not because of right or wrong but because He obeyed Jesus' voice.

Jesus came to fulfill prophecy. Someone needed to be the one that betrayed him with a kiss, 30 pieces of silver, etc.
And Judas asked, is it me? And Jesus said yes.
So they was in agreement.
Now maybe Judas is condemned in the flesh for "breaking the law"
But he "kept the word" by doing God's will.

Judas could have just said no. Then what?
Oh this is interesting..
Because I think of Peter who denied him 3 times.
It has to be that way.. so is there freewill?

Yes, you can choose to listen to his voice or not.
See Moses didn't listen to God. Moses struck the rock when he was only supposed to speak to it.
Therefore he lost his reward of entering the promised land.
But I don't believe he is no more because he also kept God's word and led them to where God told him to.

Is this the dispute between Michael and the devil?
Jde 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

My sheep hear my voice.

pondering..
hugs

amadeus · Dec 17, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
...We maybe disagree at free will...as you are aware. I still struggle there. It is the same with peace where the world and the things of it wants you to think there can be found peace in it, but it is deceiving. Same with free will...serving death, caught in a pit, walking in darkness where you stumble and know not what you stumble on, hold pen, shut up...free will is (only an opinion) but not something in possession to give (again an opinion) until ‘given power to become’ which is a gift of God ...yes, then can see your point being able to choose to be ‘a living sacrifice’.

Peace as the world of carnal men speak of peace with their peace treaties is indeed no peace at all ultimately... even if both parties actually strive to not break their given promises! I am no expert on peace treaties, but I know that in the USA breaking such treaties was not so uncommon. God certainly has always had something better available for people, but people, even supposedly 'saved' people still, it seems to me, more concerned about what is happening to their own flesh than they are about expressing their love for God. They don't like pain and suffering, be it physical, mental, emotional or some combination of those things. Who does? [Even Jesus expressed this about himself in Matthew 26:39-44.] How can a person love God so much that he is willing to submit to such pain and suffering rather than renouncing God? How can a man lay himself down and submissively allow someone to drive nails through his body?

But, we, with the Spirit of God in us, can still choose the seemingly easy way for our flesh even though in our heart we may know that our choice is in opposition to God. This for me is 'free will' still in place after receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost! With the choice of pain, how can we choose to be a "living sacrifice"? Some cannot. I was not there, but I have read of those who underwent torture in the Roman Empire and who were cast into the arenas with wild beasts... unless they renounced their faith in the One True God. A whole lot of people, I believe, are looking for the never ending Life and the "streets of gold" and the "mansions" to be provided more than they are with always being with the One that they love. Do they really love Him? But...

"Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also." John 15:20

And then...

"When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had :said this, he fell asleep." Acts 7:54-60

Probably Stephen was a very young man never having known a woman in marriage to have a family of his own. He certainly was not bound up in the things of this world of men as so many it seems are among the supposed followers of Jesus today.

as far as the parable of who then is a faithful servant ...doing when He comes from without where He suffered ‘Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.’ ...when he comes from the marriage of the Lamb where two become One and He knocks on the door...open it!? Consider the ‘doing’ of when you see a brother stands without and knocks ...who is knocking if not those without the Ark in the days of Noah when only a few souls were saved when the flood came?

When is it too late to knock on the door to the Ark of God? When is it that there will be "time no longer" for us to have gone inside because the door is already closed to us? When is it that we will be unable to walk on top of that water on our approach to Jesus instead of casting our eyes down like Lot's wife toward the attractions or fears of the flesh? How can we ever even present ourselves as that "living sacrifice, even by the "skin of our teeth" to God? We really cannot when it gets tough. can we? That is why we must with Paul "die daily" to the comforts of the flesh so matter how much we hate the pain and suffering offered to us...

"And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:26-27

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27

amadeus · Dec 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
I am very defensive of God's law. Not because I am Jewish or Gentile or anything other than me.

"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night." Psalm 1:1-2

Meditate of His Law, but what is its source?

"The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver." Psalm 119:72

His mouth? Did He not speak it before any man wrote it down in any book? Do we suppose that the letter of the Book contains it as the temple proposed by David and built by Solomon was to contain almighty God? Name it the Law or the Word of God, but do not limit it as the children of Israel limited it and limited God Himself.

"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jerem 31:33

Do we find the Law, the Word of God completely in the ten provisions of Exodus 20 or the 613 counted by the Israelites in the OT? Do we find it in all of the OT and NT by means of study alone and the applied abilities of the best biblical scholars?

It is hard to talk and find the correct words of what I understand not being "under" the law means.
Jesus shows us in many places that while he was born "under" the law, the law had no power "over" him.

Any person who really loves God is "under" His Law, but be slow to accept any man's definition of what that is. What has God spoke to men? What has God had written in a Book or in the hearts of men? Don't limit God?

Jhn 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

So Jesus "enlightens them" according to the law:

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Jhn 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Jhn 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Jhn 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Jesus not only "kept" the law, he was "above" the law, in that it was God who created the law in the first place.

Above the 'letter' perhaps, but what is the letter? Is not the 'letter' a killer?

"Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.
And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:3-6

In the first place..

Even though he kept the law, and cited their own laws against them, they still saught to kill him.

Jhn 10:39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

So it is not the law that was seeking to kill him.. as some believe. It was those that believed that "they" were above God's law, that seeked to kill him.

I am a law fanatic. I believe in Law and Order.
If one keeps it you won't be in trouble, except by those who are either trying to remove it, or be above it.
If you walk IN it.. neither above not below.. not to the right nor to the left.. Strait and narrow..
Then you will be on a sure path. Because God said so.
And Jesus said so.

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

And I don't care what any MAN says.. I believe the Lord.

Hugs

The Law and Order of God is certain, but of what does it consist? What form does it take? The basics for men are contained in the written scriptures but who can understand them all perfectly? God alone! A man who has memorized the sum total of the Bible, still does not know all of the Word of God or of God's Law nor even all of it which pertains to men. This is where the Flesh and Blood of Jesus comes into the picture, for without them there is not Life in the scriptures or in any man... and without Life, it is Not the Law or Word of God. So then some of those mentioned even in the OT must have eaten of His flesh and drunk of His blood, else they knew nothing at all and could not have written down any part of what God actually spoke! The Law, the Word of God, is Alive! So this brings us back to the question of Time, does it not?

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me" John 9:53-57

VictoryinJesus · Dec 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

This is kind of tricky because Judas chose to betray Jesus. But I believe he was given a mission to do so.
So even if he wanted to do good, it would be bad, but doing the bad was actually good.
Not because of right or wrong but because He obeyed Jesus' voice.

Jesus came to fulfill prophecy. Someone needed to be the one that betrayed him with a kiss, 30 pieces of silver, etc.
And Judas asked, is it me? And Jesus said yes.
So they was in agreement.
Now maybe Judas is condemned in the flesh for "breaking the law"
But he "kept the word" by doing God's will.

Judas could have just said no. Then what?
Oh this is interesting..
Because I think of Peter who denied him 3 times.
It has to be that way.. so is there freewill?

Yes, you can choose to listen to his voice or not.
See Moses didn't listen to God. Moses struck the rock when he was only supposed to speak to it.
Therefore he lost his reward of entering the promised land.
But I don't believe he is no more because he also kept God's word and led them to where God told him to.

Is this the dispute between Michael and the devil?
Jde 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

My sheep hear my voice.

pondering..
hugs

we could probably debate all day about ‘free will’ and still maybe disagree. Only suggesting for most of my life I knew no other way, no other voice, but to serve death and death more abundantly. Didn’t even know I served the way that leads to death and sickness and separate from God but ignorantly thought that I was free. Had no idea I was far from Free. But even that was God’s Will (imo)in my eating the fruit of death and death more abundant and the labor of ‘who I served’ which was the flesh and the lust of it until becoming sick of it. Only now is there a conflict in me of choice.. the way that leads to Life or the way that leads to death? Convicted of another way. Every day...there being this conflict of either to walk in newness of Life or to walk in death more abundant. Before there was no conflict at all...because there was no Life but only death. And an ignorances of claiming “I am free!”

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Concerning ‘I set before you Life or death ...choose Life. Unto the Glory of God...Ezekiel 18:31-32 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? [32] For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God : wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Yet Ezekiel 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. [27] And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

farouk · Dec 17, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
we could probably debate all day about ‘free will’ and still maybe disagree. Only suggesting for most of my life I knew no other way, no other voice, but to serve death and death more abundantly. Didn’t even know I served the way that leads to death and sickness and separate from God but ignorantly thought that I was free. Had no idea I was far from Free. But even that was God’s Will (imo)in my eating the fruit of death and death more abundant and the labor of ‘who I served’ which was the flesh and the lust of it until becoming sick of it. Only now is there a conflict in me of choice.. the way that leads to Life or the way that leads to death? Convicted of another way. Every day...there being this conflict of either to walk in newness of Life or to walk in death more abundant. Before there was no conflict at all...because there was no Life but only death. And an ignorances of claiming “I am free!”

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Concerning ‘I set before you Life or death ...choose Life. Unto the Glory of God...Ezekiel 18:31-32 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? [32] For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God : wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Yet Ezekiel 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. [27] And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

@VictoryinJesus Great texts there! Be encouraged...!

Helen · Dec 17, 2020

@amadeus Good posts. You have always been so good at archiving good stuff ...wish I had been more diligent.

I wish @ScottA was still here ...it took me a long time (ha! Not intended ) to wrap my head around his teachings on time, or the lack of it. But he also was so good , we just think there is such a thing as time.

DPMartin · Dec 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
Time:
Biblical Interpretation
Strong's H3117 - yowm

yôwm, yome; from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverb):—age, always, chronicals, continually(-ance), daily, ((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), elder, × end, evening, (for) ever(-lasting, -more), × full, life, as (so) long as (... live), (even) now, old, outlived, perpetually, presently, remaineth, × required, season, × since, space, then, (process of) time, as at other times, in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), × whole ( age), (full) year(-ly), younger.

Okay..

The first verse with the word yowm #H3117

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, H3117 and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. H3117

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. H3117

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. H3117

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day H3117 from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, H3117 and years:

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, H3117 and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

I call heaven and earth..
Deu 4:26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Deu 31:28 Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. H3117

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day H3117 God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day H3117 from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, H3117 and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day H3117 that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The Generations of the heavens and the earth in that yowm.

Time. yowm. day.

Up until this time everything is good.

This DAY of generations is over... How long was this Day?

This is a time.

new shovel

not a bad argument for what is meant by a time. but the concept of what a time is biblically seems to be in the writer's view and what was meant by a time then. anyway in creation the day is as long as God waited for the fulfillment of what He said, then evening and morning were that day. the day was fulfilled when His Word is fulfilled to His satisfaction, note some of the days God sees that it is good. so a time could be when God says and then its fulfilled in the view of Heaven, but actually its a day in the view of Heaven that Peter tried to describe as in a thousand years a day and a day a thousand years.

so what is meant by God when He says for a time times and a half? you could be on to something, but the only "time" I am aware of is from Adam to the flood that is without a doubt a time. a day or a year has a dimension but the only "time" with no description like day or year with a dimension is Adam to the flood that has a number, a length of 1656 years times 3.5 = 5796 which according to the Gregorian calendar is 2036.

just for fun: did you know there is an asteroid that is to come closer to the earth then some satellites in 2029 and the return in 2036 7 years later that back in 2010 the Russian scientists wanted to do a sit down with other nations to decide what to do about it. needless to say the west blow them off, like the superior beings they think they are.

also when it comes to creation and days when and or did the seventh day end?
are we still in the seventh day or the eighth day? seeing the Word of God is revealed in the flesh and is now being fulfilled. that wouldn't be a day of rest would it? God basically speaks in to the darkness and then there is Light. evening and morning.

Ziggy · Dec 17, 2020

amadeus said:
"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me" John 9:53-57

I had a good long post.. but it ended up in one of those unmentionable places.
I will eat the Lord's word and I will drink of his spirit.
that's about all I can say...
Hugs

Bobby Jo · Dec 17, 2020

Ummmmmmmmmmm, not to divert from the OP, but regarding "time", there were rumors regarding Martial Law, for which the "timing" was predicated on an anticipated 12/18 DNI Election Fraud REPORT. And apparently this report is running late, and so too the Martial Law. So maybe Kim Clement's 12/25 date may be ACCURATE!

And I love VANILLA Pudding, with BUTTERSCOTCH as a good second choice!
Bobby Jo

dev553344 · Dec 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
Time:
Biblical Interpretation
Strong's H3117 - yowm

yôwm, yome; from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverb):—age, always, chronicals, continually(-ance), daily, ((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), elder, × end, evening, (for) ever(-lasting, -more), × full, life, as (so) long as (... live), (even) now, old, outlived, perpetually, presently, remaineth, × required, season, × since, space, then, (process of) time, as at other times, in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), × whole ( age), (full) year(-ly), younger.

Okay..

The first verse with the word yowm #H3117

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, H3117 and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. H3117

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. H3117

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. H3117

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day H3117 from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, H3117 and years:

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, H3117 and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

I call heaven and earth..
Deu 4:26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Deu 31:28 Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. H3117

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day H3117 God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day H3117 from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, H3117 and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day H3117 that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The Generations of the heavens and the earth in that yowm.

Time. yowm. day.

Up until this time everything is good.

This DAY of generations is over... How long was this Day?

This is a time.

new shovel

Bible time is the recording of the passage of days and years, thus the moon and sun.

But time itself may be a 4th dimension. Basically everything is 3 dimensional and has motion thru a 4th axis. If you could look at the 4th axis you might see a persons entire life and all their actions and motions. A blur like taking a movie reel and stretching it out as a 4th axis.

So if a movie frame was a 3 dimensional scene and each frame stretched out along a 4th axis, then what is time to a person? It would be their minds focus moving with them along the 4th dimension.

Does this make sense? To me it does. But I've programmed 3D DirectX video games so I understand the physics of motion and time a little more than the normal person.

amadeus · Dec 17, 2020

Helen said:
@amadeus Good posts. You have always been so good at archiving good stuff ...wish I had been more diligent.

I wish @ScottA was still here ...it took me a long time (ha! Not intended ) to wrap my head around his teachings on time, or the lack of it. But he also was so good , we just think there is such a thing as time.

Yes, @ScottA has had some very good information/ideas/beliefs on time. I believe one of his written books emphasized his unusually but very scriptural [as I see it] beliefs with regard to time. While I am certain I copied some it I cannot at the moment anything. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I have literally many hundreds [thousands?] of things saved over the years in my computer. I have them in folders but the title used may not be the subject I need at this moment. LOL. He's still a member here, so maybe he'll show up pretty soon.

amadeus · Dec 17, 2020

Ziggy said:
I had a good long post.. but it ended up in one of those unmentionable places.
I will eat the Lord's word and I will drink of his spirit.
that's about all I can say...
Hugs

Carry on then... partaking heartily!

VictoryinJesus · Dec 18, 2020

@Ziggy reading this morning and this made me think of your thread:
Psalm 69:9-13 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me. [10] When I wept, and chastened my soul with fasting, that was to my reproach. [11] I made sackcloth also my garment; and I became a proverb to them. [12] They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards. [13] But as for me, my prayer is unto thee, O Lord, in an acceptable time: O God, in the multitude of thy mercy hear me, in the truth of thy salvation.

‘...in an acceptable time’

Truther · Dec 18, 2020

Ziggy said:
Time:
Biblical Interpretation
Strong's H3117 - yowm

yôwm, yome; from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverb):—age, always, chronicals, continually(-ance), daily, ((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), elder, × end, evening, (for) ever(-lasting, -more), × full, life, as (so) long as (... live), (even) now, old, outlived, perpetually, presently, remaineth, × required, season, × since, space, then, (process of) time, as at other times, in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), × whole ( age), (full) year(-ly), younger.

Okay..

The first verse with the word yowm #H3117

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, H3117 and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. H3117

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. H3117

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. H3117

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day H3117 from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, H3117 and years:

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, H3117 and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

I call heaven and earth..
Deu 4:26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Deu 31:28 Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. H3117

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day H3117 God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day H3117 from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, H3117 and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day H3117 that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The Generations of the heavens and the earth in that yowm.

Time. yowm. day.

Up until this time everything is good.

This DAY of generations is over... How long was this Day?

This is a time.

new shovel

Don't read Strongs etc.

It(among the others) is purposely designed to make you doubt the KJV.

The KJV explains itself.

Ziggy · Dec 18, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
@Ziggy reading this morning and this made me think of your thread:
Psalm 69:9-13 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me. [10] When I wept, and chastened my soul with fasting, that was to my reproach. [11] I made sackcloth also my garment; and I became a proverb to them. [12] They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards. [13] But as for me, my prayer is unto thee, O Lord, in an acceptable time: O God, in the multitude of thy mercy hear me, in the truth of thy salvation.

‘...in an acceptable time’

Isa 49:7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
Isa 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Isa 49:9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.
Isa 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Isa 49:11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
Isa 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.
Isa 49:13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Time, what is it?

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