An Overview Of The Bible

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AN OVERVIEW OF THE BIBLE:

I thought I would like to pen what I feel, IMHO, is an overview (the big picture) of the Bible. First let me make it clear that in my understanding, the entire Bible is written "FOR US" but not all of it is written "TO US." I believe this fact “MUST” be understood in order to understand the Bible.

A. THE AGE OF GOD'S MERCY:

From the Garden of Eden to Abraham God dealt with mankind by showing mercy to those that would acknowledge Him and respect Him as God. It must be noted that at that time all of mankind were Gentiles.

B. THE AGE OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL:

After the Tower of Babel God turned His back on all of mankind except for Abrams. God started a new race of people to be His chosen (elect) race (the Jews) with Abraham (Abrams) being the first. The sign of being a Jew was circumcision. God made promises (covenants) to Abraham concerning what He would do for him and his children, in the flesh, if they would acknowledge Him and respect His ways. God made additional promises to Isaac, Jacob and Moses. All of these promises were God's way of dealing with His chosen people, the Jews. God promised the Jews that they would have a nation on this earth and that God would send a king to rule the earth through this nation called Israel. The fulfillment of these covenants with the Jewish people was what Jesus preached when He came. It is this earthly kingdom, promised to the nation of Israel, that Jesus spoke of when He said the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Gen 12:3 (NKJ)
3 I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

God's promise(s) to Abraham: Gen 22:17-18 (NKJ)
17 "blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
18 "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."

At this time there are only two peoples in the world, Jews and Gentiles. In Gen 12:3 above we see that the Gentiles who bless the nation of Israel shall be blessed along with the nation of Israel. This is why Cornelius was given salvation in Acts 10. The writer of Acts said much about the things that Cornelius did for the Jews (blessings to the Jews).

A side note: In Gen 22:17 we see the word "descendants," it is plural, not singular and it refers to Abraham's children in the flesh. In verse 18 we see the word "seed" and it is singular, not plural, and it is referring to Christ. It should also be noted that in verse 17 we see a promise God made to the descendants (plural) that they "shall possess the gates of their enemies." This has never been fulfilled. Read Isaiah 54:1-8, Ps 72 and know that these words have not been fulfilled either. But they will all be fulfilled during the 1000-year reign of Christ on this earth. ---- In Gal 3:16 we see Jesus as the SEED (one). The promise of righteousness by faith was made to Abraham AND HIS SEED (Jesus), NOT SEEDS (THE JEWS)
Let me say it again, the promise of righteousness by belief (faith) was ONLY MADE TO ABRAHAM AND HIS SEED, Jesus. It was not made to all men AT THAT TIME.

It should also be noted that God keeps His promises and that when Jesus comes back He will set up His kingdom just as it was promised to the Jews. --- See Matthew 25:31-46 (sheep and goat judgment) and note the reasons given for the sheep to enter into the 1000-year kingdom reign of Christ's kingdom on this earth. To say that these are children of God (believers saved under grace) is to say that that they have become saved without faith in Christ and being born of God. Therefore, this judgment is only to establish which Gentiles will go into the 1000-year reign of Christ on this earth and it will be because there blessed the Jews.

During the time from Abraham to Christ, God had men prophesy about a Messiah that would be sent by God to save the Jewish people, His people, and that He would rule from Jerusalem. The scriptures shown above are some of those scriptures of prophecy.

C. THE AGE OF THE LAW:

Starting with Moses God instituted the Jewish laws and the Jews were commanded to do them. This was the beginning of the dispensation of law and was in effect, for the Jews, until the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 AD. God's relationship with the nation of Israel was one of faith in God, AND doing the works of the law (faith + works, James 2:24). If you can see it, the main thing that Jesus told the Jews is that they had left out the "faith in God" part and only had faith in their religion (works) (read Luke 7:1-9 and notice verse 9 and read John 5:38-40).

D. THE ARRIVAL OF THE MESSIAH:

Let me make it clear that Jesus Christ did not come to minister to the Gentiles, nor was His message "the kingdom gospel" sent to the Gentiles. He did not offer the "kingdom of heaven" TO the Gentiles. The following scriptures support my view.

Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Rom 15:8 (NKJ)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Note that in Matt 10:5-7 and Matt 15:23-24 Jesus said He did not come EXCEPT to the house of Israel. Jesus came to confirm/fulfill all that was written of Him in the O.T. His mission was to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. This is what Paul meant in Rom 15:8.

E. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL?

From Acts 1 until Acts 7 (or perhaps 70 AD) the Jewish nation could have repented and accepted Jesus as their savior. He would have returned for His second coming and set up His kingdom rule from Jerusalem and all Gentile nations would be blessed through Israel. Read Luke 13:6-9 and realize that Jesus told this story as an indication of what would happen if Israel (the fig tree) rejected Jesus. The Jews had a time period in which they could have repented. (Acts 2:37-38)

Luke 13:6-9 (The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree)
6 He also spoke this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?'
8 But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it.
9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'"
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However, just as the nation of Israel rejected God when they said they wanted a human king to rule over them, (1 Samuel 8:19 and 10:19) they also rejected the Son of God when they said they "had no king but Caesar," (John 19:15) and, finally, they rejected the Holy Spirit when they stoned Stephens, Acts 7. They had rejected all three in the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who was speaking through Stephens, and their doom was sealed. The "kingdom of heaven" on this earth was put on hold until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled, Luke 21:24.

IMPORTANT NOTE: -- This is not to say that God did not have another purpose for Jesus' death on the cross. But that purpose was “hidden in God” and revealed to Paul on the road to Damascus by Jesus. (Eph 3:9)




F. THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD AS GIVEN TO PAUL:

As said above, God had a hidden secondary purpose for the death of Jesus on the cross. From Jesus, and the preaching of the "Kingdom of Heaven," to this time in which we now live is a new dispensation and it was not mentioned in the O.T. it was not mentioned in the first 4 books of the N.T. nor was it mentioned in the Jewish writings of the 12. This new gospel was ""hidden in God"" and revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus, Acts 9:3-6 and Eph 3:8-9.

All that was written "to the Jews" in the O.T. and the N.T. was written "to the Jews," not to the Gentiles. Is it necessary for us to understand them? YES. If we don't then we are missing the foundation for understanding who Jesus is and the shift to the gospel of God's grace. The message of salvation by God's grace, "alone," given to Paul, was without precedence. It was not in the Jewish relationship with God. The Jewish relationship was a religious one of "faith + works to show that faith" (James 2:24). However, the gospel of God's grace requires no works whatsoever. God has done all the works that are necessary on the cross. As Paul said;

Rom 4:5-6 (NKJ)
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

Only Paul penned the words "in Christ" for he understood that God places those that believe in Him "in Christ" by the operation of the Holy Spirit (new birth). Man cannot accomplish this new birth. This idea of being "in Christ" was totally new. Up to this time it was all in a religious relationship of works, rituals and ceremonies.

1 Cor 6:11 (NKJ)
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and """"by the Spirit of our God.""""

It should be noticed that only Paul talks about the rapture (caught up in the air /
1 Thessalonians 4:17-18). It is only for those that are saved under the gospel of the grace of God. These have NOT been promised an earthly kingdom but have become Children of the living God.
I have often thought, that since Israel (the Jews) rejected God and the whole world was to be saved through them, Satan must have thought he had won. But Satan did not know that there was a "hidden gospel" that had existed in God from the beginning (Ephesians 3:9). This gospel was going to save many by what God did on the cross and it had nothing to do with the nation of Israel (the Jews) or a person's ability to work for their salvation in religions. It was no longer to be by what a man can do for salvation. It is now based solely on what God has done, and will do, for mankind. It is completely based on God's power both to save, and to keep saved, a person.




1 Cor 2:7-10 (NKJ)
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

Matt 19:25-26 (NKJ)
25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?"
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

God no longer deals with mankind through, good works, rituals, ceremonies and organized religions. He deals with each individual person in his, or her, heart and that is where salvation occurs. It has nothing to do with external things.

G. THE OLD REPLACED BY THE NEW:

2 Cor 3:6-18 (NKJ)
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the """new covenant,""" not of the letter (Law) but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
9 For if the ministry of condemnation (the Law) had glory, the ministry of righteousness (grace) exceeds much more in glory.

Note that there are two Ministries mentioned in the verses above and one is being replaced.

10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.

11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech--
13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away.
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as ""by"" the Spirit of the Lord.

Heb 7:18-22 (NKJ)
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath
21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: "The Lord has sworn and will not relent, 'You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek' "),
22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

Heb 8:6-7 (NKJ)
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant (Law) had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

If there was never any other gospel (covenant) than the gospel of the grace of God, as some claim, why was it necessary to replace an old covenant (gospel)? If one was "unprofitable" then it must have failed to be profitable. In order to replace the old, the old had to exist in order to be replaced.

Jesus and the 12 (or 11) taught the gospel of the Abrahamic Covenant. A covenant to which the law was added (Gal 3:16-19). The law failed because of " its weakness and unprofitable-ness" It was "unprofitable" because of the weakness of men. Men could not live up to the standards of God's perfect laws. But Jesus did and He did it for us.

Notice that in Acts 3:21 Peter is proclaiming things made known by the prophets since the world began. In contrast, in the book of Romans, 16:25, Paul is proclaiming things kept secret since the world began. Something made known cannot be a secret and something kept secret has not been made known. Notice that Peter proclaimed the crucifixion of Jesus as something for the Jews to repent of (Acts 2) where Paul proclaimed that he gloried in the cross of Christ (Gal 6:11-15). Clearly, Peter and Paul proclaimed two different messages.

Through Paul, God ushered in a new plan of salvation that does not depend on sinful man's ability to live up to God's standards. It all depends on the fact that Jesus DID live up to God's standards. Under the gospel of the grace of God a person must trust in God's Son (John 3:16-18). By that I mean, have faith, trust, confidence, and hope in what Jesus did on the cross to pay for our sins. When that happens God places that person "in Christ." The story of the "wedding feast is an analogy of these events (Matt. 22:1-13). The wedding garments are the righteousness that God gives a person. A man was thrown out because he chose to wear his own righteousness (Romans 10:3-4).


Most all "religious" people are seeking to produce good works in their lives to earn salvation. This is a never-ending battle that is filled only with frustration and defeat. Until they accept the true gospel of Jesus Christ, they will never be able to rest in His finished work on the cross and consequently will never be able to experience the liberty of new life in Christ.

True liberty can come only in Christ. Only when we realize that we are SECURE in Him can we cease from our own works and rest in His work on the cross. This gives us a position of complete peace with God.

Heb 3:11-12 (NKJ)
11 So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest.' "
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of ""unbelief"" in departing from the living God;

Heb 4:1-3 (NKJ)
1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.

***3 For we who have believed ""do enter that rest,"" as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest," although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:9-11 (NKJ)
9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

Note verse 10

10 For he who """"has""" entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. (unbelief = disobedience, see Heb 3:11-12 and Heb. 4:2,3)

We enter His rest and cease from our own works when we believe in Him (have faith, trust, confidence, and hope in His work on the cross), and not in our own works. To be disobedient is to NOT believe in what God has done on the cross, and instead, believe that you can be saved by what you do.

This is how I see it.
 
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AN OVERVIEW OF THE BIBLE:

I thought I would like to pen what I feel, IMHO, is an overview (the big picture) of the Bible. ...

It should be noticed that only Paul talks about the rapture (caught up in the air /
1 Thessalonians 4:17-18). ...

This is how I see it.


Rb, I take issue with so much of this “OVERVIEW” I am not even going to try listing them all. For example, Paul was NOT talking about some “rapture” in 1Thess 4, he was instructing the Thessalonians where the dead were: 1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. So many readers of that day, like in our day, misunderstood him that Paul wrote again (2 Thess) to clear up the confusion.

RB, this is “your overview,” and you are welcome to it, but I caution you, it is in error.
 

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Rb, I take issue with so much of this “OVERVIEW” I am not even going to try listing them all. For example, Paul was NOT talking about some “rapture” in 1Thess 4, he was instructing the Thessalonians where the dead were: 1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. So many readers of that day, like in our day, misunderstood him that Paul wrote again (2 Thess) to clear up the confusion.

RB, this is “your overview,” and you are welcome to it, but I caution you, it is in error.

Let us see what others think about it. In the mean time why don't you sit down and write your own OVERVIEW. Then, perhaps I can see where we differ.
 

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Let us see what others think about it. In the mean time why don't you sit down and write your own OVERVIEW. Then, perhaps I can see where we differ.


No, I don't have time for that. I will just be pointing out all the places we differ over time.
 

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No, I don't have time for that. I will just be pointing out all the places we differ over time.

You may be wasting your time. What I believe has been taught to me by the Holy Spirit and I am completely persuaded that it is true. What I believe did not come from established religions and it is those in establihed religons that must find fault with what I believe just as the religious found fault with Paul. I do not recognize any man as my teacher. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would testify to God's children but the religious refuse to believe it.

Matthew 23:8-10
8 But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
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John 16:13-15
13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
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Now I know that many will come out of the woodwork and say that that it is wrong for me to feel that way. That is their right but it does not change anything for me. I do not place my belief and my salvation in the hands of men.
 
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B. THE AGE OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL:

After the Tower of Babel God turned His back on all of mankind except for Abrams. God started a new race of people to be His chosen (elect) race (the Jews) with Abraham (Abrams) being the first. The sign of being a Jew was circumcision. God made promises (covenants) to Abraham concerning what He would do for him and his children, in the flesh, if they would acknowledge Him and respect His ways. God made additional promises to Isaac, Jacob and Moses. All of these promises were God's way of dealing with His chosen people, the Jews. God promised the Jews that they would have a nation on this earth and that God would send a king to rule the earth through this nation called Israel. The fulfillment of these covenants with the Jewish people was what Jesus preached when He came. It is this earthly kingdom, promised to the nation of Israel, that Jesus spoke of when He said the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

God never turned his back on mankind.
It was in the garden of Eden when the first prophecy was uttered which foretold the coming of a 'seed' who would crush the 'serpent' who caused Adam and Eve to sin.
God had always intended on saving ALL mankind from the consequences of Adamic sin and death. Whether we are jew or gentile, we are all Adams children and by such we are all Gods children.
Gen 3:15 "Because you have done this thing, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild beasts of the field. Upon your belly you will go and dust is what you will eat all the days of your life. 15 And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He (messiah) will bruise you in the head and you (satan) will bruise him in the heel.”

In order for the Messiah to appear on earth he had to first be born. It was for this reason that God chose the faithful Abram to be the man who's descendants would produce the Messiah. It was promised to Abram at Genesis 22:16-18
“That by reason of the fact that you have done this thing and you have not withheld your son, your only one, I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore; and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies. And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice.”

So the Gentiles were always a part of Gods plan of salvation. They were never left out of the picture right from the beginning they were purposed for salvation.

It should also be noted that God keeps His promises and that when Jesus comes back He will set up His kingdom just as it was promised to the Jews. --- See Matthew 25:31-46 (sheep and goat judgment) and note the reasons given for the sheep to enter into the 1000-year kingdom reign of Christ's kingdom on this earth. To say that these are children of God (believers saved under grace) is to say that that they have become saved without faith in Christ and being born of God. Therefore, this judgment is only to establish which Gentiles will go into the 1000-year reign of Christ on this earth and it will be because there blessed the Jews.

To this point I would have to highlight Jesus words in Matthew 25:31-40
31 “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

First of all, this cannot be Jesus sitting on a literal throne on the earth for the reason that there is no place on earth where all the nations of the earth are going to be gathered for Jesus to separate and also for the fact that the angels are with him. This has to be a heavenly throne he is sitting on....just as he told us that his kingdom is not of this world....it is a heavenly kingdom where he will rule from.

Now, as to why the sheep are put on his right, notice the reason he gives for their favorable judgement:

33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, YOU who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for YOU from the founding of the world. 35 For I became hungry and YOU gave me something to eat; I got thirsty and YOU gave me something to drink. ...38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to you?’ 40 And in reply the king will say to them, ‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me.

Who are Christs Brothers? Its certainly not the jewish nation who rejected him and had him killed. So to say that the gentiles are saved because they blessed the jews is inaccurate. Only those who accepted Jesus as their shepherd came in line for membership in the heavenly kingdom. Jesus said to his disciples: “Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.” (Luke 12:32) And Jesus referred only to this “little flock” as his “brothers.” Matt. 12:49 "As an answer he said to the one telling him: “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 And extending his hand toward his disciples, he said: “Look! My mother and my brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

So the jewish nation are not Christs brothers...only those who are chosen by him to become members of the heavenly kingdom can rightly be called 'Christs Brothers' and that includes the gentiles who became believers and were grafted onto the 'garden olive tree' as Paul explained....they too became Christs Brothers and join Christ in the heavenly kingdom.


During the time from Abraham to Christ, God had men prophesy about a Messiah that would be sent by God to save the Jewish people, His people, and that He would rule from Jerusalem. The scriptures shown above are some of those scriptures of prophecy.

It wasnt the jewish people who needed saving. It was the people of All the nations who God said he would save 'through' the Jewish people. Zechariah 8:23 "‘It will be in those days that ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will actually take hold of the skirt of a man who is a Jew, saying: “We will go with YOU people, for we have heard [that] God is with YOU people.”

Now, God certainly was with the Jews for they were the nation whom the Messiah was to appear through. Unfortunately they failed in their commission by their unfaithfulness and rejection of the Messiah so that God had no choice but to create a new nation by which all other nations could identify the Messiah. That new nation was identified by Jesus words to his apostles at Acts 1:8 "but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju‧de′a and Sa‧mar′i‧a and to the most distant part of the earth.”

It was Christs disciples who would become the nation to lead all other nations back to God through Christ. Not the jews. The disciples were both jew, gentile and proselyte....they became known as Christians and today we are still the ones who are proclaiming the Messiah throughout the earth. Not the Jews.


D. THE ARRIVAL OF THE MESSIAH:
Let me make it clear that Jesus Christ did not come to minister to the Gentiles, nor was His message "the kingdom gospel" sent to the Gentiles. He did not offer the "kingdom of heaven" TO the Gentiles. The following scriptures support my view.

Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Note that in Matt 10:5-7 and Matt 15:23-24 Jesus said He did not come EXCEPT to the house of Israel. Jesus came to confirm/fulfill all that was written of Him in the O.T. His mission was to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. This is what Paul meant in Rom 15:8.

While this is true, it is also only half of the story. Yes, the jews were the ones who should have been sitting in the heavenly kingdom with Christ. That was certainly prophesied in the OT that the descendants of Abraham would have that privilege and its for that reason that Jesus preached first to the Jews. However, Jesus also recognized that the Jews were soon to loose favor with God due to their treatment of him for he told the leaders of Isreal on Nisan 11 of the year 33 C.E that God had rejected their nation from being His servant. He said: Matthew 21:43 “The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.” And he told the crowds: Matthew 23:38 “Look! Your house is abandoned to you.”

So while it is correct to say that it was only to the Jews whom Jesus preached, it is not correct to continue to say that all the blessings are only for the Jews because they are not.
The Jews lost out on being the ones who would take seats with Christ in the heavenly kingdom to bring the nations back to God...they didnt loose out as individuals for jewish people can still become one with Christ, but as a nation they certainly did loose out.

This is when Paul enters the picture and is instructed by Jesus to become an Apostle to the Nations.


To sum it up.
God always purposed to save all of mankind (all nations) from adamic sin and death. Gen 3:15
He would do that through the Messiah and a heavenly kingdom. Gen 49:10
That heavenly kingdom would originally have 144,000 jewish heirs to rule with Christ. Rev. 20:6
They would guide the nations back to God. Acts 1:8

Sadly, those 144,000 spaces could not all be filled by jews because most of them rejected Jesus, hence the opportunity was given to the gentiles to sit in those seats originally meant only for jews.

So the kingdom promise is still to bring mankind back into harmony with God. All those who adhere to the Kingdom and follow the lamb will have the opportunity to live forever on earth in the beautiful conditions which God originally purposed for Adam and Eve and their children. Matthew 5:5
 

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No, I did not say it was a waste of time. I said I do not have time to do that.

I did not say that YOU said it is a waste of time. Go back and read what I said. "You may be wasting your time." No where did I indicate you said it was a waste of time.

God never turned his back on mankind.

Then explain why Peter said they were not a people.

1 Peter 2:9-10
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.
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Then explain why Peter said they were not a people.

1 Peter 2:9-10
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.
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You need to read the passage of scripture in context. The apostles explained how the inclusion of the gentiles to the kingdom of heaven were included in the Prophets writings. The reason why they were originally 'not a people' was because they had not yet been gathered and this is what Peter goes on to explain.

Acts 15:6 And the apostles and the older men gathered together to see about this affair. 7 Now when much disputing had taken place, Peter rose and said to them: “Men, brothers, YOU well know that from early days God made the choice among YOU that through my mouth people of the nations should hear the word of the good news and believe; 8 and God, who knows the heart, bore witness by giving them the holy spirit, just as he did to us also. 9 And he made no distinction at all between us and them, but purified their hearts by faith. ....12 At that the entire multitude became silent, and they began to listen to Bar′na‧bas and Paul relate the many signs and portents that God did through them among the nations. 13 After they quit speaking, James answered, saying: “Men, brothers, hear me. 14 Sym′e‧on (Peter) has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 ‘After these things I shall return and rebuild the booth of David that is fallen down... together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name"

Peter here is quoting from the prophet Amos 9:11-12 “‘In that day I shall raise up the booth of David that is fallen, and I shall certainly repair their breaches. And its ruins I shall raise up, and I shall certainly build it up as in the days of long ago, 12 to the end that they may take possession of what is left remaining of E′dom, and all the nations upon whom my name has been called"

So this prophecy relates as much to the nations taking possession of the booth of David, which is the throne, as much as it is for the Jews. The apostles Peter, James and Paul all testify and agreed that this prophecy related to both jew and gentile so it cannot ever be stated that God turned his back on the nations for the reason that they were always going to be included. God knew that back then for he was dealing with a nation who continually turned their back on him and I guess he knew that they would do so when the Messiah appeared also.
 
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You need to read the passage of scripture in context. The apostles explained how the inclusion of the gentiles to the kingdom of heaven were included in the Prophets writings. The reason why they were originally 'not a people' was because they had not yet been gathered and this is what Peter goes on to explain.

Acts 15:6 And the apostles and the older men gathered together to see about this affair. 7 Now when much disputing had taken place, Peter rose and said to them: “Men, brothers, YOU well know that from early days God made the choice among YOU that through my mouth people of the nations should hear the word of the good news and believe; 8 and God, who knows the heart, bore witness by giving them the holy spirit, just as he did to us also. 9 And he made no distinction at all between us and them, but purified their hearts by faith. ....12 At that the entire multitude became silent, and they began to listen to Bar′na‧bas and Paul relate the many signs and portents that God did through them among the nations. 13 After they quit speaking, James answered, saying: “Men, brothers, hear me. 14 Sym′e‧on (Peter) has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 ‘After these things I shall return and rebuild the booth of David that is fallen down... together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name"

Peter here is quoting from the prophet Amos 9:11-12 “‘In that day I shall raise up the booth of David that is fallen, and I shall certainly repair their breaches. And its ruins I shall raise up, and I shall certainly build it up as in the days of long ago, 12 to the end that they may take possession of what is left remaining of E′dom, and all the nations upon whom my name has been called"

So this prophecy relates as much to the nations taking possession of the booth of David, which is the throne, as much as it is for the Jews. The apostles Peter, James and Paul all testify and agreed that this prophecy related to both jew and gentile so it cannot ever be stated that God turned his back on the nations for the reason that they were always going to be included. God knew that back then for he was dealing with a nation who continually turned their back on him and I guess he knew that they would do so when the Messiah appeared also.

It sure gets old for a person to tell another person that they need to "read the scriptures in context". That statement has no value except to elevate the person saying it over another. I do read the scriptures and I am very carefull to quote enough of the context to give the reader enough information about the verse. However it doesn't seem to help because even though the book of James is CLEARLY written to the Jews (James 1:1) most just give their idea that it is written to the grace church as if James did not really say it was directed to the Jews. -- To say what you said is demeaning and you, and many others, seem to love to do it.

I don't know anything about you, how old you are, how many years you claim to be a Christian, how long you have studied scriptures and you don't know any of those things about me. So let us dispence with these stupid statements that serve no real purpose except to elevate the ego.
 

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I don't know anything about you, how old you are, how many years you claim to be a Christian, how long you have studied scriptures and you don't know any of those things about me. So let us dispence with these stupid statements that serve no real purpose except to elevate the ego.

rb, your profile says you are 10 years old but I doubt that. I am a bit older than that if it makes a difference, and I’ve studied Scripture most of my life, if it makes a difference.

James is written to, “the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,” the majority of which had no idea who they were. They thought they were Gentiles.
 

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rb, your profile says you are 10 years old but I doubt that. I am a bit older than that if it makes a difference, and I’ve studied Scripture most of my life, if it makes a difference.

James is written to, “the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,” the majority of which had no idea who they were. They thought they were Gentiles.

LOL, ya, I just looked at it and changed it. I am 77 years old and have been a child of God, in Christ, since I was 9 years old. I have listened to thousands of sermons, red hundreds of books, studied world history, American history, religious theologies of the RCC and the many protestant religions. In all these things I searched the scripures to see if there were true

I have been on internet forums for over 15 years and I think I have heard just about all there is to hear.

Does all this make a difference? Only God knows.

rb, your profile says you are 10 years old but I doubt that. I am a bit older than that if it makes a difference, and I’ve studied Scripture most of my life, if it makes a difference.

James is written to, “the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,” the majority of which had no idea who they were. They thought they were Gentiles.

Do you have any references that confirm your statement that they thought they were Gentiles?
 

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LOL, ya, I just looked at it and changed it. I am 77 years old and have been a child of God, in Christ, since I was 9 years old. I have listened to thousands of sermons, red hundreds of books, studied world history, American history, religious theologies of the RCC and the many protestant religions. In all these things I searched the scripures to see if there were true

I have been on internet forums for over 15 years and I think I have heard just about all there is to hear.

Does all this make a difference? Only God knows.


Well, rb, I could tell by your writing that your were not 10 yo :)
 

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It sure gets old for a person to tell another person that they need to "read the scriptures in context". That statement has no value except to elevate the person saying it over another. I do read the scriptures and I am very carefull to quote enough of the context to give the reader enough information about the verse. However it doesn't seem to help because even though the book of James is CLEARLY written to the Jews (James 1:1) most just give their idea that it is written to the grace church as if James did not really say it was directed to the Jews. -- To say what you said is demeaning and you, and many others, seem to love to do it.

I don't know anything about you, how old you are, how many years you claim to be a Christian, how long you have studied scriptures and you don't know any of those things about me. So let us dispence with these stupid statements that serve no real purpose except to elevate the ego.

Im sorry if i've offended you, that was not my intention.
I said that it needed to be read in context because you only seemed to focus on the statement 'you were once not a people', however in line with the context, Peter was explaining that the gentiles had now been gathered as a people.

James may have been writing to the Jews, but the scripture I quoted from is the book of Acts...which was written for the benefit of all. The accounts in acts is a history of the early activity of the christians and of how the gentiles became a part of the church along with the jews.
 

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Im sorry if i've offended you, that was not my intention.
I said that it needed to be read in context because you only seemed to focus on the statement 'you were once not a people', however in line with the context, Peter was explaining that the gentiles had now been gathered as a people.

James may have been writing to the Jews, but the scripture I quoted from is the book of Acts...which was written for the benefit of all. The accounts in acts is a history of the early activity of the christians and of how the gentiles became a part of the church along with the jews.

Pegg, I posted a work on Peter's sermon in Acts 2 that you disagreed with. I said that Peter's answer to the Jews' question has always been taken out of context by those thgat preach water baptism. I took Peter's statemnet and put it in context and you still saw it as a fomula for salvation in this age of grace. You say it is what we have to do. ---- So much for the "in context" statements.
 

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Pegg, I posted a work on Peter's sermon in Acts 2 that you disagreed with. I said that Peter's answer to the Jews' question has always been taken out of context by those thgat preach water baptism. I took Peter's statemnet and put it in context and you still saw it as a fomula for salvation in this age of grace. You say it is what we have to do. ---- So much for the "in context" statements.

Im sorry but I still dont see how you put it in context.

There are a number of areas which are not in agreement with the scriptures such as "God made promises (covenants) to Abraham concerning what He would do for him and his children...the jews"

However, the promise made to Abraham did not include his 'fleshly' descendants the jews. Paul explained that himself when he said at Galatians 3:16 "Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. It says, not: “And to seeds,” as in the case of many such, but as in the case of one: “And to your seed,” who is Christ"

and he further said at Galatians 3:29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise" which shows that being a fleshly jew is not what makes you one of Abrahams decedents....its a persons faith in Jesus which makes us Abraham's descendants.

Even Jesus did not view the fleshly jews as children of Abraham for he told them at John 8:39-42 "In answer they said to him: “Our father is Abraham.” Jesus said to them: “If YOU are Abraham’s children, do the works of Abraham. 40 But now YOU are seeking to kill me, a man that has told YOU the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 YOU do the works of YOUR father.” They said to him: “We were not born from fornication; we have one Father, God.”
42 Jesus said to them: “If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me
..." It was their lack of faith that caused Jesus to say this because Abraham was defined by his faith and so it is with all who have faith....they are Abrahams children due to their faith, not due to their birthright.

Im sorry that you dont like to be disagreed with, but when someone is teaching something so important its to be expected that their teachings be questioned and scrutinized in line with the bible. I do this with everything i read...not only your posts so please dont take it personally.
 

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1. Im sorry but I still dont see how you put it in context.

2. Im sorry that you dont like to be disagreed with, but when someone is teaching something so important its to be expected that their teachings be questioned and scrutinized in line with the bible. I do this with everything i read...not only your posts so please dont take it personally.

Pegg, you also said above "Im sorry if i've offended you, that was not my intention"

Earlier it was "Im sorry if i've offended you, that was not my intention" --- Now it is "Im sorry that you dont like to be disagreed with" -- If you keep telling me "you are sorry" i am going to start believing it. LOL

1. -- I did not just quote one verse that did not include what was being discussed by all the parties and why. I quoted many verses ahead of what Peter said about baptism so that the reader could understand why Peter said what He said.

2. -- What I believe in scriptures I have written in the OP on this thread. It is what I believe. If you do not believe it then it was not written for you and I do not need your approval. However there are many others that do believe what I wrote in the OP.


From the OP.
God's promise(s) to Abraham: Gen 22:17-18 (NKJ)
17 "blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
18 "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."

At this time there are only two peoples in the world, Jews and Gentiles. In Gen 12:3 above we see that the Gentiles who bless the nation of Israel shall be blessed along with the nation of Israel. This is why Cornelius was given salvation in Acts 10. The writer of Acts said much about the things that Cornelius did for the Jews (blessings to the Jews).

A side note: In Gen 22:17 we see the word "descendants," it is plural, not singular and it refers to Abraham's children in the flesh. In verse 18 we see the word "seed" and it is singular, not plural, and it is referring to Christ. It should also be noted that in verse 17 we see a promise God made to the descendants (plural) that they "shall possess the gates of their enemies." This has never been fulfilled. Read Isaiah 54:1-8, Ps 72 and know that these words have not been fulfilled either. But they will all be fulfilled during the 1000-year reign of Christ on this earth. ---- In Gal 3:16 we see Jesus as the SEED (one). The promise of righteousness by faith was made to Abraham AND HIS SEED (Jesus), NOT SEEDS (THE JEWS)

Seems I covered what you said in your reply in the OP. Perhaps you didn't really read it.
 

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At this time there are only two peoples in the world, Jews and Gentiles. In Gen 12:3 above we see that the Gentiles who bless the nation of Israel shall be blessed along with the nation of Israel. This is why Cornelius was given salvation in Acts 10. The writer of Acts said much about the things that Cornelius did for the Jews (blessings to the Jews).

Seems I covered what you said in your reply in the OP. Perhaps you didn't really read it.


I did read it, but it sounds to me to be a contradiction.

You did say there are only two peoples in this world - Jews and Gentiles. However, according to Paul there is neither Jew nor Gentile....the reason for that is because to be a 'Jew' has nothing to do with Abraham. Being a Jew has to do with following the mosaic law. Since that law has been abolished, along with the priesthood who administered it, God no longer views the mosiac law as a means of having a righteous standing before him therefore, it cannot be said that the world has only 2 peoples.

According to God, we are now all on the same level.... jews and gentiles are now just one people again. Either of which can gain a righteous standing before God by their faith in Christ.

Galatians 3:11-14 "Moreover, that by law no one is declared righteous with God is evident, because “the righteous one will live by reason of faith.” 12 Now the Law does not adhere to faith, but “he that does them shall live by means of them.” 13 Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake.” 14 The purpose was that the blessing of Abraham might come to be by means of Jesus Christ for the nations, that we might receive the promised spirit through our faith"

Paul used the barrier, or wall in the temple where Gentiles were prohibited to pass beyond in an illustrative way to explain the division created by the Law covenant between the jews and gentiles...however, once the Mosaic law was abolished by Christ, Paul shows that the gentiles were now no longer separated in Ephesians 2:13-14 "But now in union with Christ Jesus YOU who were once far off have come to be near by the blood of the Christ. 14 For he is our peace, he who made the two parties one and destroyed the wall in between that fenced them off."


Does that make sense with regard to what you believe?
 
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I did read it, but it sounds to me to be a contradiction.

You did say there are only two peoples in this world - Jews and Gentiles. However, according to Paul there is neither Jew nor Gentile....the reason for that is because to be a 'Jew' has nothing to do with Abraham. Being a Jew has to do with following the mosaic law. Since that law has been abolished, along with the priesthood who administered it, God no longer views the mosiac law as a means of having a righteous standing before him therefore, it cannot be said that the world has only 2 peoples.

According to God, we are now all on the same level.... jews and gentiles are now just one people again. Either of which can gain a righteous standing before God by their faith in Christ.

Galatians 3:11-14 "Moreover, that by law no one is declared righteous with God is evident, because “the righteous one will live by reason of faith.” 12 Now the Law does not adhere to faith, but “he that does them shall live by means of them.” 13 Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake.” 14 The purpose was that the blessing of Abraham might come to be by means of Jesus Christ for the nations, that we might receive the promised spirit through our faith"

Paul used the barrier, or wall in the temple where Gentiles were prohibited to pass beyond in an illustrative way to explain the division created by the Law covenant between the jews and gentiles...however, once the Mosaic law was abolished by Christ, Paul shows that the gentiles were now no longer separated in Ephesians 2:13-14 "But now in union with Christ Jesus YOU who were once far off have come to be near by the blood of the Christ. 14 For he is our peace, he who made the two parties one and destroyed the wall in between that fenced them off."


Does that make sense with regard to what you believe?

Yes it does If you don't leave out the word ""now"" it is what I believe. What Paul said was true under the NEW gospel of grace. It was not true under the gospel of the kingdom. Under that gospel it was the Jew first and the Gentiles through the Jews.

You said "jews and gentiles are now just one people again." Please observe the word NOW.

Romans 6:22
22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.
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Romans 7:6
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
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Romans 7:17
7 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
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Romans 16:25-26
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith —
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Ephesians 2:12-13
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
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Yes it does If you don't leave out the word ""now"" it is what I believe. What Paul said was true under the NEW gospel of grace. It was not true under the gospel of the kingdom. Under that gospel it was the Jew first and the Gentiles through the Jews.

You said "jews and gentiles are now just one people again." Please observe the word NOW.

Romans 6:22
22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.
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Romans 7:6
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
NKJV

Romans 7:17
7 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
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Romans 16:25-26
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith —
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Ephesians 2:12-13
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
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I think i have already agreed with you that 'initially' the kingdom was offered to those of Jewish ancestry so of course I agree with that.
Daniels prophecy testifies to that fact at Daniel 9:24-27
“There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error... And you should know and have the insight that from the going forth of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Leader, there will be seven weeks, also sixty-two weeks. ... And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. And the city and the holy place the people of a leader that is coming will bring to their ruin.... And he must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease."

The covenant was 'kept in force for the many (jews) for one week'.... the Jews were the ones for whom the covenant was 'kept in force' which meant that they were given the first opportunity to take a seat in the Messiahs kingdom. Hence why Jesus said he was only to preach to the Jews. This 'half week' went on for the full 3 years of Jesus ministry...it ended at Pentecost 50 days after his death.

However, 'at the half of the week' he caused sacrifice and gift offering to cease when he presented the value of his sacrifice to God in heaven and God accepted his sacrifice by pouring out the holy spirit at Pentecost. From that point on there was neither 'jew nor gentile' for all people could take part in rendering God a sacred service in the way that the priesthood had rendered sacred service to God at the temple in jerusalem.

So really, the gospel of Grace that Paul taught was mentioned in the OT, it just wasnt understood until the time that God made it understood. Abraham knew that 'ALL' nations would be blessed by the seed, the Messiah certainly knew it for he spoke to a samaritan woman about it and he also told the criminal beside him that he would be in paradise...so obviously Jesus knew what was going on at that time....its just that the covenant was kept in place for the jews to be given first opportunity. And Peter was sent to the gentiles before Paul was, so obviously after Pentecost the apostles had it revealed to them that the gentiles were to be included in the kingdom covenant and they acted in harmony with that revelation by baptizing gentiles.