Seed Of God

soul man said:

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your velcome.

Important subject @soul man . I will post my beliefs on this.

How Mary was impregnated with Jesus is something that is tricky to deal with once One Truly analyses it. Certain 'problems' arise that are a bit taboo. I will expand on these problems.

Problem #1:
Since God placed his Seed inside of Mary, then technically, Mary would be God's Wife. Uh, oh.

Problem #2:
Since Jesus is God manifest in the flesh...

1 Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

...then that would imply that Mary is not only the Mother of Jesus, but his WIFE as well. Yikes!

These issues clearly need to be addressed. Have no fear, Melchizedek is here!

Yes, Melchizedek is the solution to the above problems. How? Melchizedek represents the Seed of God that Mary was inseminated with and Jesus was created out of.

In other words, Mary was a Surrogate Mother...

"a woman who becomes pregnant by artificial insemination or by implantation of a fertilized egg created by in vitro fertilization for the purpose of carrying the fetus to term for another person or persons"

Definition of SURROGATE MOTHER

This is why Melchizedek is such a Mystery. Christians aren't putting all of the pieces together.

So how did this process work? Simple. The Tabernacle is the Wilderness shows us how it was done...



The High Priest represents the Melchizedek Seed that enters into the Most Holy Place to fertilize the Ark of the Covenant with the help of the Holy Ghost...

Matthew 1:20
"But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

And there we have it! Great is the Mystery of Godliness.

Base12 said:

Important subject @soul man . I will post my beliefs on this.

How Mary was impregnated with Jesus is something that is tricky to deal with once One Truly analyses it. Certain 'problems' arise that are a bit taboo. I will expand on these problems.

Problem #1:
Since God placed his Seed inside of Mary, then technically, Mary would be God's Wife. Uh, oh.

Problem #2:
Since Jesus is God manifest in the flesh...

1 Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

...then that would imply that Mary is not only the Mother of Jesus, but his WIFE as well. Yikes!

These issues clearly need to be addressed. Have no fear, Melchizedek is here!

Yes, Melchizedek is the solution to the above problems. How? Melchizedek represents the Seed of God that Mary was inseminated with and Jesus was created out of.

In other words, Mary was a Surrogate Mother...

"a woman who becomes pregnant by artificial insemination or by implantation of a fertilized egg created by in vitro fertilization for the purpose of carrying the fetus to term for another person or persons"

Definition of SURROGATE MOTHER

This is why Melchizedek is such a Mystery. Christians aren't putting all of the pieces together.

So how did this process work? Simple. The Tabernacle is the Wilderness shows us how it was done...

The High Priest represents the Melchizedek Seed that enters into the Most Holy Place to fertilize the Ark of the Covenant with the help of the Holy Ghost...

Matthew 1:20
"But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

And there we have it! Great is the Mystery of Godliness.

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they may be a problem for you but the scriptures say how its done:


Luk 1:34　 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?　
Luk 1:35　 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.　

don't you know God is the source of life, and His Presence (Holy Spirit) gives Life. just as one is "born again" hence born of Spirit. the Presence of God gives Life according to His Word.

no seed or seeds and no man's scientific reasoning necessary to understand. its the same Power that healed the thousands of people who sought Him for such. its the same power that was at the face of the waters and spoke let there be Light. there was no seeds involved was there?

Power friend, that's what you're missing in your reasoning. you can not calculate the Power of God.

DPMartin said:

they may be a problem for you but the scriptures say how its done:


Luk 1:34　 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?　
Luk 1:35　 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.　

don't you know God is the source of life, and His Presence (Holy Spirit) gives Life. just as one is "born again" hence born of Spirit. the Presence of God gives Life according to His Word.

no seed or seeds and no man's scientific reasoning necessary to understand. its the same Power that healed the thousands of people who sought Him for such. its the same power that was at the face of the waters and spoke let there be Light. there was no seeds involved was there?

Power friend, that's what you're missing in your reasoning. you can not calculate the Power of God.

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You are definitely on the right track here.

It is the "Seed of the Woman" that is a common thread throughout the Old Testament... especially the Torah.

The Seed was what everyone was hot after through Noah and his sons. But it was granted to Shem instead of Ham who thought he had it in Canaan.

Then granted to Abraham.
Then to Isaac
Then granted to Jacob by trickery (not really but he thought so)
Then on to Judah because of Reuben's actions.

Then on to David by proclamation of Samuel. And that's the last we actually hear about the Seed of the Woman (bride of Christ) who is now known to be the Messiah.

Which is why the Blind Man was actually shouting "Seed of David" at Jesus but is usually translated as "Son of David".

Galatians 3:16 is my reasoning.

JohnDB said:

You are definitely on the right track here.

It is the "Seed of the Woman" that is a common thread throughout the Old Testament... especially the Torah.

The Seed was what everyone was hot after through Noah and his sons. But it was granted to Shem instead of Ham who thought he had it in Canaan.

Then granted to Abraham.
Then to Isaac
Then granted to Jacob by trickery (not really but he thought so)
Then on to Judah because of Reuben's actions.

Then on to David by proclamation of Samuel. And that's the last we actually hear about the Seed of the Woman (bride of Christ) who is now known to be the Messiah.

Which is why the Blind Man was actually shouting "Seed of David" at Jesus but is usually translated as "Son of David".

Galatians 3:16 is my reasoning.

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well back to the OP reasoning and why its incorrect:

Gal 3:16　 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.　


there's no implication that Christ is a seed. to Abraham and his seed promise, but to the gentiles in Galatia and their seed, Christ.

DPMartin said:

there's no implication that Christ is a seed. to Abraham and his seed promise, but to the gentiles in Galatia and their seed, Christ.

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Paul is quoting scriptures when speaking to the Galatians.

But also in John 1:14 "the word became flesh"
And Jesus said that the seed in his parables was the word of God.

I can go in these circles all day long.

DPMartin said:

well back to the OP reasoning and why its incorrect:

Gal 3:16　 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.　


there's no implication that Christ is a seed. to Abraham and his seed promise, but to the gentiles in Galatia and their seed, Christ.

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Genesis 17:4 "As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations."Genesis 17:5 "Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee."Genesis 17:6 "And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee."Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee."Genesis 17:8 "And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."Genesis 17:9 "And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations."

John 7:42 "Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?"

Romans 1:2 "(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)" Romans 1:3 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;"

Galatians 3:7 "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham."Galatians 3:8 "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed."Galatians 3:9 "So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham."Galatians 3:10 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."Galatians 3:11 "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

Galatians 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."

Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

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So...
Is it the Word of the Seed
OR
Seed of the Word
?????

JohnDB said:

Paul is quoting scriptures when speaking to the Galatians.

But also in John 1:14 "the word became flesh"
And Jesus said that the seed in his parables was the word of God.

I can go in these circles all day long.

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the use of seed as a metaphor in a parable which is to use objects and actions as metaphors, and what Jesus actually is, is an other. as apposed to what the angle of the Lord told Mary what would actually happen which a fact of an event, not a metaphor.

the Word is also the bread of life and life giving water so on and so forth but the Word of God isn't actually water. water is water and the Word of God is of God Himself which is simply the expression of God's will, or expectation of what He wants fulfilled. again the Presence of God moved upon the face of the waters and God spoke, hence His Word. and it was fulfilled to His satisfaction, or according to His expectation expressed to that which was to conform to the fulfillment.

101G said:

Genesis 17:4 "As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations."Genesis 17:5 "Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee."Genesis 17:6 "And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee."Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee."Genesis 17:8 "And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."Genesis 17:9 "And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations."

John 7:42 "Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?"

Romans 1:2 "(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)" Romans 1:3 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;"

Galatians 3:7 "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham."Galatians 3:8 "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed."Galatians 3:9 "So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham."Galatians 3:10 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."Galatians 3:11 "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

Galatians 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."

Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

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adoption has no seed involved does it?

Rom_8:15　 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Rom_8:23　 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Rom_9:4　 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Gal_4:5　 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Eph_1:5　 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,



or graffed in

Rom_11:17　 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom_11:19　 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Rom_11:23　 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom_11:24　 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

no seeds there either and you do know and we all know you're arguing just to argue and the facts are clear.

DPMartin said:

adoption has no seed involved does it?

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First thanks for the reply, and second, Born again do.

and as for adoption you should read Gills commantary Romans 8:15 and understand the difference of adoption, and what is adaptive, and who is "BORN" again, in John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."John 3:7 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."John 3:8 "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

now, go and find out what is adaptive, and who is Born......... YIKES!.

now when you do, get back with me..... (smile).


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DPMartin said:

the use of seed as a metaphor in a parable which is to use objects and actions as metaphors, and what Jesus actually is, is an other. as apposed to what the angle of the Lord told Mary what would actually happen which a fact of an event, not a metaphor.

the Word is also the bread of life and life giving water so on and so forth but the Word of God isn't actually water. water is water and the Word of God is of God Himself which is simply the expression of God's will, or expectation of what He wants fulfilled. again the Presence of God moved upon the face of the waters and God spoke, hence His Word. and it was fulfilled to His satisfaction, or according to His expectation expressed to that which was to conform to the fulfillment.

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Man does not live by bread alone but by the Word of God...

But Jesus was born in the city called Bethlehem or literally translated as "House of Bread".

It's a thing that can make your head spin.

Well, to give a heads up on understanding "adoption" vs "Born again" one need to fully understand the definition of "adoption", and not just look at it's general use only.
Definition, Adoption: 1. the action or fact of legally taking another's child and bringing it up as one's own, or the fact of being adopted.
2. the action or fact of choosing to take up, follow, or use something.

@DPMartin, we suggest you re-read the story of Captain Cornelius first, and to help you out, examine Acts 10:35 very closley, for within that verse begain the answer of "adoption" by the Spirit.... YIKES!

so just in case you didn't assimilate fully the information given by what Gill's commentary stated in Romans 8:15, this above will start a good conversation to understanding the mystery of "the Spirit of Adoption" for some.... (smile).

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GINOLJC, to all.
seeing that I haven't got a respond to post #34, I'm assuming the information on "the adoption of the Spirit" was fully assimilated in one's understanding.

Just in case if someone may have missed it, in Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."
The Holy Ghost by his chosen Apostle Peter said, “God is no respecter of persons, But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him”. notice, accepted, “with” him, and not the the term, accepted “of” him, big difference. what is another WORD for “acceptance, or accepted?” answer, Adoption…. Uh O. but the revealing line is in Acts 10, this is the scripture that reveals the us “OF” him, Acts 10:47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"
that last part of the scripture reveals the adoption vs the New Birth, which begans at the very start of the verse.

so from this verse one can deduce the understanding.

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For those who have not deduced the understanding, "adoption of the Spirit, vs the Birth of the Spirit.

The Power of Water Baptism

Foundation Scripture: Isaiah 56:5 "Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off."

Teaching Scripture: John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

Revealing Scriptures: John 3:6 & 7 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

Definition:
Adoption: 1.the action or fact of legally taking another's child and bringing it up as one's own, or the fact of being adopted.
2. the action or fact of choosing to take up, follow, or use something.
Keep in mind BOTH definitions.


The Mystery Revealed
Romans 8:13 "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
Romans 8:15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

an establish example
listen carefully, Acts 10:1 "There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,"
Acts 10:2 "A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway."
Acts 10:3 "He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius."
Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God."

NOW THIS,
Acts 10:34 "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:"
Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

LET’S GET EDUCATED.
The Holy Ghost by his chosen Apostle Peter said, “God is no respecter of persons, But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him”. notice, accepted, “with” him, and not, accepted “of” him, big difference. as said, what is another WORD for “acceptance, or accepted?” answer, Adoption…. but the revealing line is in Acts 10, this is the scripture that reveals us, who follow him is “OF” him, Acts 10:47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"
Acts 10:48 "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." HOLD THE PRESS, what did the apostle say? listen, “which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?". BINGO, “received the Holy Ghost”, and what did the apostle Paul say in Romans 8:15? watch the word “received”, Romans 8:15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

well lets reveal the Mystery. one can only be BORN AGAIN when PHYSICALLY ALIVE ON THIS PLANET, and then Baptized to die, yet still be physically alive. let me say it again, one cannot be born again unless one a. they are “alive” physically, meaning able to BELIEVE, and b. BAPTIZE in water to die, in order to become NEW CREATURES, or be BORN AGAIN. am I clear enough? make no mistake about it. John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:7 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

Now that which is born of the flesh… Natural Birth. and as Nicodemus asked, “John 3:4 "Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" the answer is, no, one must die, and not naturally. Born of the Flesh is “ALIVE” in this world naturally, Baptism KILLS, (not literally), but the effect of it render one’s dead, as in the consciousness of our sins, in this world. this action is (better known as washing away of one’s sins) supportive scripture, 1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" HOLD IT, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, or BORN NEW. (this is a new hit on Born again, BORN NEW), that's 101G's. one more, Romans 6:3 "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?"
Romans 6:4 "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
Romans 6:5 "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:"
now, if something is DEAD, you bury it. and when something is resurrected then it “LIVE”, not unto it's ownself, but unto he who gave, you life.

if you don’t die, (by Baptism, or natural death), then one cannot be born again/ANEW. so if one is Physically “alive” you must be got to be born again, and to do that one must die first, (and the method of that death is Baptism). and that death which occur when one is phyically alive is water Baptism. (try to get into the Kingdom without it, you’ll be just like the man with no wedding garment… be cast out, see Matthews 22:11 & 12

well what about the thief on the cross? some may say, “he was not Baptized in water”. correct, but he died. and he believed, by confessing the Lord Jesus. listen, Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." understand the terms, “Shall be saved?” saved is a future event, Luke 23:42 "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom." Bingo, Remember is an indication of some event to happen in the future, because neither the Lord Jesus nor the thief went to Paradise that day, but …. later when the Lord return, then the “Shall”, and the “Remember” is executed in completeness. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:" now if the dead was already in heaven why desend to earth to raise the dead? answer, because the dead is here on earth.

so one must DIE before they can be born of the Spirit. and we will see this plainly in the conclusion in the next post.


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Post #2.
the Conclusion
So, one can receive the Spirit, of adoption and not be Born Again, or Anew, as the definition states, “the action or fact of choosing to take up, follow”, meaning before they are Baptized, and or BORN AGAIN, or BORN Again NEW. this is why many asked why did Captain Cornelius received the Spirit First before he was BAPTIZED/Born again/New, (read Acts 10), as we has explained. well this is nothing NEW, because all before who was of Israel was adoptive who received the Spirit of God who worked righteousness, notice (their righteousness was according to the Law, for adoption is by LAW), see the above definition again. and during this time, Israel was not yet born again, because Christ had not yet come, and died. but they believed by faith, and had the Spirit of Adoption, and had the right/righteousness to be called “sons”, why, because they worked righteousness according to the Law. listen to Peter, the apostle, Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him." and as said, “accepted” is synonyms with adoption. BINGO. see how easy a mystery is resolved when one is taught by the Spirit. this was Israel problem, they thought that they, by having the Law is what made them Right with God, or was “ACCEPTED” with God. yes, but not the right/righteousness of God by NEW BIRTH. yes, LEGALLY by LAW they was right with God, hence the… Adoption, but it was not until when they could die, and be “BORN ANEW”, (when our God and Lord came and was water baptized, and died), will they have the RIGHT/RIGHTEOUSNESS to become the “sons of God by BIRTH”. because self righteousness is not justified in the eyes of God. we have to be “BORN AGAIN”, or BORN ANEW

yes, they in the OT had the Spirit … with them, and also in them by being filled but but was NOT YET BORN AGAIN for the inheritance. for the seed to come, Christ was not planted in them. scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:"1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow." where was the Spirit? IN, IN, IN, them, read it again. one more scripture to witness these, 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." so Christ, (his Spirit, the Holy Ghost), was in them, but not planted permanent. just as the Land was promised, and not yet inherited. Hebrews 11:8 "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went." NOW THIS, Acts 7:5 "And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.". so it was not until “AFTER” he receive the promise in completeness, which is the inheritance, the promise SEED… Christ Jesus.

now let get a late, at the end of the OT clear example of this, John the Baptist father. Luke 1:67 "And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying," so we see OT Saints filled with the Spirit and yet, not Born again, well what about John’s his mother, Luke 1:41 "And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:"

so all that false thinking that the People of the old testament was not filled or had the Holy Spirit, well these verses put that false thinking to rest. yes, they had the Spirit, WITH THEN, but was NOT BORN AGAIN, of God. but because they work righteousness, they was accepted/adopted of God…….. they was Called the Children of God. oh how easy it is to understand when one has the MASTER TEACHER, God, the Lord JESUS. what did the Lord Jesus say? John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

before he, Jesus, as a man received the Spirit, because he was BORN of the Spirit. was he not Baptized? and what did he say? Matthew 3:13 "Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him."
Matthew 3:14 "But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?"
Matthew 3:15 "And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him." (when the preacher, or the pastor, or the child of God baptize one in water, they are fulfilling all righteousness)
Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"
Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Baptism place one in the position to be "BORN" “sons” of God, because Baptism “FULFILS ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS”. see, those who say you don’t need to be Baptism, ok, you’ll still be in your sins, and want inherit NOT A THING. why because one must be, got to be, BORN of God.

well how can one be BORN AGAIN, unless they are BAPTIZED. well Nicodemus got that e-mail, or tweet, or instagram from God himself, for Baptism show our DEATH, or our none consciousness of our sins that are Past, (see Roman 3:25), so that we may become BORN AGAIN or Born Anew….scripture, John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
lets see and learn, John 3:1 "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:"
John 3:2 "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."
John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:4 "Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"

what did Nicodemus ask? “How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" BINGO. in order to be BORN AGAIN, or be BORN of the Spirit, one must die to this NATURAL LIFE of the FLESH, again what did the Holy Ghost say by his chosen apostle? listen, 1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" see baptism is a physical act among the LIVING, that has spiritual implication. so all of you out there who preach, “You don’t have to be water Baptized”, ….. ok, (smile)”…. don’t get it YIKES!.

if you’re not Baptized, (excluding those who are not able to be, and is dying, or will die, but believe, as the thief on the cross), or unless the Lord Instruct you who are administering the baptism in another way, then as Roman chapter 8 points out you’re still in your sins, and is still walking after the flesh. (One need to read all of Roman chapter 8 to get the full picture, or context as to what is being discussed.

Romans 3:30 "Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith." BINGO, all of us JEWS or Gentiles must come the same way... Baptized.
THERE IT IS, THE JEWS “BY” FAITH, THE GENTILES “THROUGH” FAITH. Bingo.
Romans 10:11 "For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."

Romans 8:15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father." YES, received, because you have come out from the world, just as the definition of Adoption #2 states,the action or fact of choosing to take up, follow, or use something. you choose God because he have already choose you.

oh yes, many are following the Christ/Church, but are not YET OF the Christ/Church.

so, adoptive sons are by the Law with the Jews, and Israel righteousness was their worked of the Law in which they as the gentiles “received the Spirit of adoption” so as to the apostle declaration to captain Cornelius, (a Gentile), listen Acts 10:34 "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:"Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him." BINGO, Mystery solved, or cleared up.

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

there is the “adoption” of the Spirit… “WITH” you and “IN” you just as the action declared. and when baptized a NEW LIFE, a NEW BIRTH.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"