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This I have seen, and yet no one is paying attention. Hiding amongst, and yet they did not expect the delay(Trump) or the wall, or rona.
 
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A 2011 Survey shows that 3% of Canadians follow the Muslim faith.[1] Unless there was mass migration resulting from the Arab Spring, I am not worried about it. It would have to be at levels threatening national security for it to cause me concern.[2]
  1. https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm...&Temporal=2013&THEME=95&VID=0&VNAMEE=&VNAMEF=
  2. Deuteronomy 24:14, Galatians 3:28, Leviticus 19:33-34, 24:22, 1 Peter 2:11-25, Romans 13:1-7
 
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Worldwide Islam coming?

Revelation 20:4 (NKJV)

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
 
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Worldwide Islam coming?

Revelation 20:4 (NKJV)

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.

The last execution by Guillotine in France took place in 1977.[1] Who's to say the Beast Empire won't bring it out of retirement? John the Baptist was executed by beheading,[2] centuries before Islam's founding in the 7th century AD.[3] Nothing new under the sun.[4]
  1. 8 Things You May Not Know About the Guillotine
  2. Luke 9:1-9, Mark 6:14-29, Matthew 14:1-12
  3. Islam
  4. Ecclesiastes 1:1-11
 
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The last execution by Guillotine in France took place in 1977.[1] Who's to say the Beast Empire won't bring it out of retirement? John the Baptist was executed by beheading,[2] centuries before Islam's founding in the 7th century AD.[3] Nothing new under the sun.[4]
  1. 8 Things You May Not Know About the Guillotine
  2. Luke 9:1-9, Mark 6:14-29, Matthew 14:1-12
  3. Islam
  4. Ecclesiastes 1:1-11
But Islam loves beheading Christians!
 
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But Islam loves beheading Christians!

And so did all of these countries.[1] Muslims do not own a patent nor have a monopoly on beheading. At any time, a modern country can reintroduce beheading as a method of execution. Given your claimed age of 72 years on your user profile, surely you can agree that society can change pretty drastically in such short amounts of time, right?
  1. Decapitation - Wikipedia
 
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kcnalp

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And so did all of these countries.[1] Muslims do not own a patent nor have a monopoly on beheading. At any time, a modern country can reintroduce beheading as a method of execution. Given your claimed age of 72 years on your user profile, surely you can agree that society can change pretty drastically in such short amounts of time, right?
  1. Decapitation - Wikipedia
It's interesting how Islam is running rampant and growing stronger, and yet Christians choose to ignore.

Isis 'beheads 10 Christian hostages' in new video
 
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It's interesting how Islam is running rampant and growing stronger, and yet Christians choose to ignore.

Isis 'beheads 10 Christian hostages' in new video

In no way am I denying the reality of Muslim-on-Christian violence and persecution. I am just saying, the Muslims are far from the only group of people capable of beheading people.

ISIL has declined in territory since their peak in May 2015.[1][2] A number of Middle Eastern countries have been classified as failed states since the beginning of the Arab Spring in 2011.[3] The Gulf nations are also financially hurting because of COVID-19 and low oil prices.[5] They could potentially deplete their financial wealth within the next fifteen years.[4] The countries of Syria,[6] Libya,[7] and Yemen[8] are still experiencing civil war.

So while Islamic terrorism is still a recognized global problem, actual Muslim countries are NOT growing stronger, only weaker. While it is mostly speculation, I would say they're additions to a growing list of nations looking for a certain world leader with all the answers...[9]

  1. Islamic State and the crisis in Iraq and Syria in maps
  2. The rise and fall of the Isis 'caliphate'
  3. The Greater Middle East: From the “Arab Spring” to the “Axis of Failed States”
  4. Gulf's financial wealth could be over in 15 years: IMF
  5. How GCC countries can address looming fiscal challenges
  6. Syrian civil war - Wikipedia
  7. Libyan Crisis (2011–present) - Wikipedia
  8. Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) - Wikipedia
  9. Daniel 9:1-12:13, Luke 21:5-38, Mark 13:1-37, Matthew 24:1-51, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, Revelation 1:1-22:21
 
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And so did all of these countries.[1] Muslims do not own a patent nor have a monopoly on beheading. At any time, a modern country can reintroduce beheading as a method of execution. Given your claimed age of 72 years on your user profile, surely you can agree that society can change pretty drastically in such short amounts of time, right?
  1. Decapitation - Wikipedia
In no way am I denying the reality of Muslim-on-Christian violence and persecution. I am just saying, the Muslims are far from the only group of people capable of beheading people.

ISIL has declined in territory since their peak in May 2015.[1][2] A number of Middle Eastern countries have been classified as failed states since the beginning of the Arab Spring in 2011.[3] The Gulf nations are also financially hurting because of COVID-19 and low oil prices.[5] They could potentially deplete their financial wealth within the next fifteen years.[4] The countries of Syria,[6] Libya,[7] and Yemen[8] are still experiencing civil war.

So while Islamic terrorism is still a recognized global problem, actual Muslim countries are NOT growing stronger, only weaker. While it is mostly speculation, I would say they're additions of a growing list of nations looking for a certain world leader with all the answers...[9]

  1. Islamic State and the crisis in Iraq and Syria in maps
  2. The rise and fall of the Isis 'caliphate'
  3. The Greater Middle East: From the “Arab Spring” to the “Axis of Failed States”
  4. Gulf's financial wealth could be over in 15 years: IMF
  5. How GCC countries can address looming fiscal challenges
  6. Syrian civil war - Wikipedia
  7. Libyan Crisis (2011–present) - Wikipedia
  8. Yemeni Civil War (2014–present) - Wikipedia
  9. Daniel 9:1-12:13, Luke 21:5-38, Mark 13:1-37, Matthew 24:1-51, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, Revelation 1:1-22:21

Greetings, Rene Loup, and welcome to the forum.

Just as you say society can change in a short order of time, so can the fortunes of jihadist Islam, and you will very likely see a great increase in the rise of Christian beheadings and martyrdoms at the hands of Muslims in 2021, and the reemergence of violent Islamic states and factions in the world once again.

But out of curiosity: Who do you think the "Beast empire" is going to be?

Blessings in Christ,
Hidden In Him
 

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Islamist extremists may have a certain scary but very limited impact on certain pockets of Christianity here and there, but they will never have the global impact or influence that prophecy demands of the end-time powers described in scripture. That honor, of global influence, if you are looking for a union of government legislative enactments to enforce worship according to the religious perspective of a certain group, and with the essential and real time current union with corporate power; that honor must be given to the Vatican. Papal Rome, and only Rome, can meet all the criteria you are expecting of prophecy.
And look at what is currently taking place in the world. You have a union of corporate power and politicians currently manipulating society into an orchestrated state of fear through the plandemic, and you also have a Pope calling for international cooperation with the "Great Reset". We have had all manner of "isms" attempting to rise to fame and fortune over the centuries. Islamism, Catholicism, Protestantism, Communism, Socialism, fascism, and even atheism. The union between the state and corporate power is fascism. We saw that in Nazi Germany. That also had a touch of socialism. But when you throw in religious power in the form of the Vatican, and agreements and treaties being promulgated between those three, then you no longer have an "ism" to contend with. You have Babylon the Great...confusion. And let me add just a little twist to the recipe.
The corporate powers...capitalism...rose to fame and fortune in Protestant America. Now I'm not saying capitalism is necessarily wrong, but there are extremes to it that ought to be deplored. But as Protestant America has fallen so far from its roots, then in parallel and equal measure, has corporate power risen in corruption. So we have three beasts at work in these last days right in front of our eyes.
The state dragon...with secret societies and occult influence in the mix. (Revelation 12:3)
The false prophet...apostate American Protestantis, now advocating a return to Rome and denying the reformation (beast of Revelation 13:11-18).
And the Antichrist beast, a clone of the dragon, and the little horn which grew from its head but who today has recovered from its mortal wound (1798) and is now regaining its lost supremacy. (Revelation 13:1-10.)
 

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Greetings, Rene Loup, and welcome to the forum.

Just as you say society can change in a short order of time, so can the fortunes of jihadist Islam, and you will very likely see a great increase in the rise of Christian beheadings and martyrdoms at the hands of Muslims in 2021, and the reemergence of violent Islamic states and factions in the world once again.

Yes, that is a possibility. Islam has had a series of caliphates rising and falling since its founding[1] and is more than capable of doing so again, especially with 1.8 billion adherents as of 2016.[2]

  1. List of Muslim states and dynasties - Wikipedia
  2. Why Muslims are the world’s fastest-growing religious group

But out of curiosity: Who do you think the "Beast empire" is going to be?

Blessings in Christ,
Hidden In Him

Currently, I believe it will most likely start in Europe and spread throughout the world. However, there are certain Books of the Bible I have not read myself yet and used to be over-reliant on prophecy teachers to do so for me. It was a very big mistake. After disillusionment with a number of these teachers, especially the politically motivated ones, I am reading the Bible at a pace my mentor recommended to me. Because of all this, I am now expecting my views on Prophecy to change over time.
 
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Currently, I believe it will most likely start in Europe and spread throughout the world. However, there are certain Books of the Bible I have not read myself yet and used to be over-reliant on prophecy teachers to do so for me. It was a very big mistake. After disillusionment with a number of these teachers, especially the politically motivated ones, I am reading the Bible at a pace my mentor recommended to me. Because of all this, I am now expecting my views on Prophecy to change over time.

Sounds like you are approaching it correctly, then.

The reason I asked is because one's views on eschatology effect what he believes is coming. Backlit (who posted previously) is a good friend and a credit to this community, but he and I are in disagreement where Islam is concerned. He believes the central player in the fulfillment of end-time prophecy will be Rome. I believe it will be Islam. Both will play a part certainly, but what religion one believes will play the central role colors how he believes world events will play out.

Rather than listen to either of us, however, you are correct: You should read the entirety of scripture yourself and let the Lord teach you in these matters, first and foremost.

God bless, and welcome once again to Christianity Board. Your posts tend to be substantive, which I appreciate.
 
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The reason I asked is because one's views on eschatology effect what he believes is coming. Backlit (who posted previously) is a good friend and a credit to this community, but he and I are in disagreement where Islam is concerned. He believes the central player in the fulfillment of end-time prophecy will be Rome. I believe it will be Islam. Both will play a part certainly, but what religion one believes will play the central role colors how he believes world events will play out.

Speaking from personal experience, NEVER underestimate the power of an echo chamber. The best forums are the ones that allow diversity of thought and respectful discussion and debate.[1][2][3] My mentor taught me to exchange ideas instead of trying to win during debates. After taking his advice, I am now finding these kind of conversations much more rewarding.
  1. 1 Corinthians 15:33-34, Proverbs 1:8-19, 13:13-20
  2. Digital Media Literacy: What is an Echo Chamber?
  3. (PDF) ‘Echo Chambers’
Rather than listen to either of us, however, you are correct: You should read the entirety of scripture yourself and let the Lord teach you in these matters, first and foremost.

Yes, I agree completely and had to learn that the hard way. God bless Martin Luther, Johannes Gutenberg, and many, many others who made Western Civilization a reality.

God bless, and welcome once again to Christianity Board. Your posts tend to be substantive, which I appreciate.

Give God the glory.
 

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Speaking from personal experience, NEVER underestimate the power of an echo chamber. The best forums are the ones that allow diversity of thought and respectful discussion and debate.[1][2][3] My mentor taught me to exchange ideas instead of trying to win during debates.

I wish more Christians were listening to your mentor, LoL. I like honest and open debate and discussion, but it's rather hard to come by nowadays. But around here we do at least allow for diversity of thought. It's not a theological dictatorship and never will be.

Many are still working on that "respectful discussion" part, however : )
 
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