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Truther

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Okay - here's the Scriptural subject:
Sola Scriptura.

Show me where the Bible teaches this fallacy.
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
 

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No, it is not.

commentary
[ kom-uhn-ter-ee ]
SEE SYNONYMS FOR commentary ON THESAURUS.COM
noun, plural com·men·tar·ies.
  1. a series of comments, explanations, or annotations: a commentary on the Bible; news followed by a commentary.
  2. an explanatory essay or treatise: a commentary on a play; Blackstone's commentaries on law.
  3. anything serving to illustrate a point, prompt a realization, or exemplify, especially in the case of something unfortunate: The dropout rate is a sad commentary on our school system.
  4. Usually commentaries. records of facts or events: Commentaries written by Roman lawyers give us information on how their courts functioned.
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5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
 

David H.

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No thank you, I'll not listen to one person's side of a problem. Also I'll not show such a unloving attitude as that my motivation is that I'm believing my brother and sisters are doing something wrong as though I don't trust my brother's. I'll wait on Jehovah to straighten anything out that needs straighten out and not rely on an apostate.

Ignorance is bliss I guess. the person was disallowed to speak because he encouraged the People to read the the Word of God more than the watchtower publication. Is that disfellowship for moral reasons? Since when is the Word of God immoral?
 

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No thank you, I'll not listen to one person's side of a problem. Also I'll not show such a unloving attitude as that my motivation is that I'm believing my brother and sisters are doing something wrong as though I don't trust my brother's. I'll wait on Jehovah to straighten anything out that needs straighten out and not rely on an apostate.

Here is a snippet from the link:
"We were just amazed at what we found as we prayerfully read the New Testament over and over again – things that we had never appreciated before, like the closeness that the early disciples had with the risen Jesus, the activity of the Holy Spirit in the early church, and Jesus' words about being 'born again' in John, chapter 3."


Hadn't you studied those things as Jehovah's Witnesses?

PENNI: "No. The Watchtower took us on a guided tour through the Bible. We gained a lot of knowledge about the Old Testament and we could quote a lot of Scriptures, but we never heard the Gospel of salvation in Christ. We never learned to depend on Jesus for our salvation and to look to Him personally as our Lord. Everything centered around the Watchtower's works program, and you had to come to Jehovah God through the organization."

DAVID: "When I realized from reading Romans, chapter 8, and John chapter 3, that I needed to be 'born of the spirit', I was afraid at first. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that 'born again' people, who claim to have the Holy Spirit, are actually possessed by demons. And so I feared that if I prayed out loud to turn my life over to Jesus Christ, some demon might be listening; and the demon might jump in and possess me, pretending to be the Holy Spirit."

PENNI: "Many Jehovah's Witnesses live in constant fear of the demons. Some of our friends would even throw out furniture and clothing, fearing that the demons could enter their homes through those articles."


What freed you from that fear?

DAVID: "I read Jesus' words at Luke11:9-13. In a context where He was teaching about prayer and casting out unclean spirits, Jesus said: 'And I say to you, ask and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. If a son asks for bread from any of you who is a father, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!' (NKJ)

"I knew, after reading those words, that I could safely ask for Christ's Spirit (Rom. 8:9), without fearing that I would receive a demon. So, in the early morning privacy of our kitchen, I proceeded to confess my need for salvation and commit my life to Christ."
 

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You See, when you read something like this you come to see the Jehovah's witnesses really are no different than the hierarchy of the Papacy, the same manipulation and mind control, the same fear used to manipulate, ad infinitum.
 

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You See, when you read something like this you come to see the Jehovah's witnesses really are no different than the hierarchy of the Papacy, the same manipulation and mind control, the same fear used to manipulate, ad infinitum.
Which is why we must run from new translations and commentary from an organization.
 

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Thanks DH,

For 2,000 years there have been many men and women who "believe to the truth of the Word of God" that feel like they were led by the Holy Ghost. Now we have thousands of denominations and hundreds of competing "truths" all of which came by revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Not every man, woman, denomination, or Joes bible church on Main Street was guided by the Holy Spirit into teaching the Truth when they all teach different truths. You say that "Men will lead you nowhere". Are you not a man??? Are you leading yourself into the truth or is someone leading you??? One way or the other you have a man leading you......

Your theory needs a little bit of work...

Of such is mind control and a victim of manipulation. Good luck with that. I have given you ample scriptures, instead you ignore the scriptures over the teachings of men.
 

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Who or what you’re following doesn’t stack up against the Apostles of Christ, and I hope you’re sitting down when you read this last part. Not every thing that Jesus said to Jews is referring to me.
I counted 3 questions in my post and you didn't respond to any of them. Why is that?

I hope your sitting down: You tell YOU what you should think. You follow your teachings. How is that working out for ya'?
 

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Moses' seat it for sinners.

Christs' seat is for saints.

Per Hebrews 7, you must pick one or the other.
That is a Fascinating interpretation of Scripture you have put forth. Who taught you that?
 

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That is a Fascinating interpretation of Scripture you have put forth. Who taught you that?
The writer of Hebrews.....

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
 

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You See, when you read something like this you come to see the Jehovah's witnesses really are no different than the hierarchy of the Papacy, the same manipulation and mind control, the same fear used to manipulate, ad infinitum.
I wonder if Paul was using manipulation and mind control?

St. Paul and his companions attended the temple on the Sabbath, but “the breaking of bread” occurred in the house “churches” of Christians. “The breaking of bread,” is a Eucharistic phrase in St. Luke’s writings. For example, when St. Paul was in Troas in Acts 20:7, we read: “On the first day of the week, when we gathered together to break bread…” Luke 24:30-31 records Cleopas and an unnamed disciple’s “eyes were opened” and they recognized Jesus “in the breaking of the bread.” And according to Luke 24:1, 13, this encounter was also on the first day of the week! St. Paul never says, “On the Sabbath, when we gathered to break bread.” Instead, the “breaking of bread” in Luke 24 and in Acts 20 occurs on the first day of the week; Sunday!!

For, in the first place, when you assemble as a church… it is not the Lord’s Supper that you eat. For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal, and one is hungry and another is drunk. What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God…For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it. (I Cor. 11:18-23)

Soooooo those “homes” were actually house “churches” in which “the breaking of bread” happened, and it happened on the first day of the week: Sunday.

You should practice what Paul is trying to manipulate you into doing...
 

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What this entire discussion is about... Ecclesiastical authority in the context of Catholicism... Strikes at the very heart of Protestantism and American constitutional law. The God given right for every man to worship according to his or her own conscience. The Catholic hierarchy has hated the constitution since it's inception because it is an affront to Catholic global supremacy. Screenshot_2020-12-27-21-07-05-47.jpg Screenshot_2020-12-27-21-07-05-47.jpg Screenshot_2020-12-27-21-07-10-21.jpg Screenshot_2020-12-27-21-07-34-10.jpg

The constitution guarantees religious liberty... Freedom of conscience. Catholicism, as it is being promoted on this thread and others in this forum, is an attack on the constitution and freedom of conscience. Protestants do not appreciate the danger their nation is in while they have a majority Catholic representation on the USSC, and numerous Catholics on prominent Government positions whose loyalties, if they are members of Knights of Columbus or Malta etc, are n not to the United States, but to a foreign power in Rome. The former attorney general W Barr was one such short true loyalties were often questioned and remain in doubt. The loyalties of those Catholics on this thread demanding Protestants here to surrender to Roman authority are not in doubt.
 
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The writer of Hebrews.....

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
What you put forth was either YOUR interpretation of that passage from Hebrews or another man taught you that interpretation. Which one is it?

Patient Mary
 

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What this entire discussion is about... Ecclesiastical authority in the context of Catholicism... Strikes at the very heart of Protestantism and American constitutional law. The God given right for every man to worship according to his or her own conscience. The Catholic hierarchy has hated the constitution since it's inception because it is an affront to Catholic global supremacy. View attachment 12305 View attachment 12305 View attachment 12306 View attachment 12307
Sooooo according to your theory every man has the God given right to worship according to his own conscience.

There is a member of this forum whose conscience allows him to believe that aborting a baby is not murder because the baby is not alive until it takes it's first breath.

Does God condone that "conscience" or condemn it?

Curious Mary
 

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What you put forth was either YOUR interpretation of that passage from Hebrews or another man taught you that interpretation. Which one is it?

Patient Mary
I posted a passage.

It speaks for itself.

Pick Moses or Jesus, not both.
 

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Sooooo according to your theory every man has the God given right to worship according to his own conscience.

There is a member of this forum whose conscience allows him to believe that aborting a baby is not murder because the baby is not alive until it takes it's first breath.

Does God condone that "conscience" or condemn it?

Curious Mary
I edited the post. You need to read further.
 
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